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When did 20% become the norm?

15% is what I tip and only for a bartender or table wait service.

Prices have skyrocketed. Every time prices go up, wait people get a raise...

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When I was a kid sales tax was 5%. 10% was the going rate for a restaurant tip. I was frequently told that anything less than about 8% was stealing from the wait staff because of IRS reporting rules.

The cost of goods and services has increased since then which means tax revenue and tips should have increased proportionally. Instead, taxes and tip rates have increased disproportionately. I eat at restaurants much less often than I used to. Be sure to thank your waitstaff by eating at home more often

In Spain and Italy they don't tip and don't expect you to tip. That's the socialist way.

Im Gipper said:

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Tips are inherently socialist. Not capitalistic.

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Stop reading at this hilariously bad take. Sorry!!!

I get the problem people have with "tipping culture" in America, but voluntarily giving someone money is not remotely "socialism."

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Tip culture is one of the most capitalist and in some ways employee exploitative way to run a business
Step one have business
Step two have most of your employees paid ( by the employer ) a non livable wage.
Step three require the customer to make up the difference and possibly government will need to provide food assistance , rent subsidies and Medicaid for the employees that are paid a non livable wage what could be more capitalist than this

People who get tips iirc are paid less than $4 an hour

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Only if their tips don't bring them up to minimum wage. If a waiter/waitress is making $2&change/hr and they don't get any tips that day, their employer has to pay them the difference to bring them up to minimum wage.

Also, waiting tables was never meant to provide a living wage, at least not at casual dine-ins.

I'm very ready for the soccer events to be over. The "Europeans discover US" stories are cringey.

These people are wowed by the sodium and sugar in America cuisine and can't believe how nice white people are to them.

Make no mistake, these people would not piss on you if you were on fire though.

If we could go back to 1776 and start over, I think most Americans would choose not to do adopt tipping as a norm. But here we are...it's a part of our culture and culture is difficult to change.

Logos Stick said:

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Hardcore Greg said:

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To be fair, I used to have similar thoughts on tipping, until I got older and talked to people in the industry and realized that they barely make anything at all without tips.

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Back in the day, I had a hard 15% limit.

Now I tend to give generous tips if the service is good because I'm a multi-millionaire and I can help someone who is not making much money for doing a good job that benefits me.

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+1 for the old 15% hard limit.
+1 for tipping much more now.

Now we eat out perhaps once a month. I cook healthier and my wife is not picky. Restaurants would not be around if we were the only type of customer.

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Tips are inherently socialist. Not capitalistic.

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They are very much capitalistic! You decide if you want to give and how much to give based on the service provided!!!

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I swear there are somedays that I think he forgets his morning pill…because tipping is as far away from Socialism as it gets…I, the consumer, can choose to tip and how much…I am not being told I have to do it.

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Hardcore Greg said:

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To be fair, I used to have similar thoughts on tipping, until I got older and talked to people in the industry and realized that they barely make anything at all without tips.

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Back in the day, I had a hard 15% limit.

Now I tend to give generous tips if the service is good because I'm a multi-millionaire and I can help someone who is not making much money for doing a good job that benefits me.

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This, I don't want to get into specifics, but I am worth, let's just say north of $15 mil (I'm 45 so I'm nearing retirement)...but even when I wasn't, when I was just worth a few million, I decided to make an effort to truly reward excellent service in generous fashion.

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Logos Stick said:

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Hardcore Greg said:

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To be fair, I used to have similar thoughts on tipping, until I got older and talked to people in the industry and realized that they barely make anything at all without tips.

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Back in the day, I had a hard 15% limit.

Now I tend to give generous tips if the service is good because I'm a multi-millionaire and I can help someone who is not making much money for doing a good job that benefits me.

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This, I don't want to get into specifics, but I am worth, let's just say north of $15 mil (I'm 45 so I'm nearing returement)...but even when I wasn't, when I was just worth a few million, I decided to make an effort to truly reward excellent service in generous fashion.

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You got me beat bud! Not to hijack, but I expect there are lots of folks on this board who are multi-millionaires.

As far as the tipping, I can't take the money with me so yeah, I'm gonna give it away where it makes sense and can be a blessing.

Logos Stick said:

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Logos Stick said:

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Hardcore Greg said:

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To be fair, I used to have similar thoughts on tipping, until I got older and talked to people in the industry and realized that they barely make anything at all without tips.

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Back in the day, I had a hard 15% limit.

Now I tend to give generous tips if the service is good because I'm a multi-millionaire and I can help someone who is not making much money for doing a good job that benefits me.

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This, I don't want to get into specifics, but I am worth, let's just say north of $15 mil (I'm 45 so I'm nearing returement)...but even when I wasn't, when I was just worth a few million, I decided to make an effort to truly reward excellent service in generous fashion.

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You got me beat bud! Not to hijack, but I expect there are lots of folks on this board who are multi-millionaires.

As far as the tipping, I can't take the money with me so yeah, I'm gonna give it away where it makes sense and can be a blessing.

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Yep, that's why I don't brag about it or mention it ever...dime a dozen on this website (outside of the DeGen Board). Back to tipping, I agree with you.

Im Gipper said:

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My take:
Tips are inherently socialist. Not capitalistic.

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Stop reading at this hilariously bad take. Sorry!!!

I get the problem people have with "tipping culture" in America, but voluntarily giving someone money is not remotely "socialism."

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It is socialism. You just cannot get around to accepting it right now.

The people who are for exorbitant tips are also the people who are against welfare for Homeless Steve.

Why should I pay for Server Sue's rent? I shouldn't be made to. Given a choice, I'd rather let Homeless Steve get welfare and my taxes go to his rehabilitation.

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If you took a job where your wages are dependent on the generosity of your customers, you're willing to accept what they do or don't give you. If you don't like it, stfu and accept it or find a different field of employment. Either way, stop f'n whining.

And the whole percentage thing is stupid. Why does the server deserve more money because I decided on the 20 oz bone-in ribeye over the grilled chicken breast? Why should they get less if I ordered the chicken instead of the steak? They're doing the same amount of work in either case.

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You got it right.

Ultimately this is what Bernie Sanders and Mamdani want. Just because this is also an American "tradition" to tip like a madman, we are afraid of calling it what it is - SOCIALISM. If I have to pay for Server Sue's rent, it is socialism.

I thought we were the richest country in the world.

In reality, we are a country of beggars who want handouts from customers way beyond whatever fee was agreed upon. And if we don't get what we want, we throw hissy fits like spoiled children.

I know it's a show, but just look at her attitude. And the idiot manager goes "if you can't afford a tip, you cannot eat here". ...another CEO!

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Taking a job where your 95% of your pay is based upon having good interactions with your customers and making sure they get their meals on time is completely merit based and 100% capitalistic.

Pay for performance.

In Europe they get paid whether they ignore you or not. Whether they hear your speaking english and decide not to come to your table for 30 minutes. They willfully ignore some table because of their politics, racism, feelings, etc. That's communism.

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So as customer, I decide if I am impressed with the "performance" or not. There is no "15% standard", now 25%.
That means I can just skip the tip without people getting hissy about it. But that does not happen, does it.

All I am on the hook for paying is the food charge and tax. Nothing more. My employer doesn't tip me everyday for doing sheet that I am supposed to do. Then why should I pay a server anything?

This is pure socialism, but folks cannot admit that they are part socialists too. It is okay, it will take time.

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Im Gipper said:

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My take:
Tips are inherently socialist. Not capitalistic.

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Stop reading at this hilariously bad take. Sorry!!!

I get the problem people have with "tipping culture" in America, but voluntarily giving someone money is not remotely "socialism."

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OP clearly just wants more money to go directly to the CEOs and not to the workers.

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I want the CEO to pay the workers a fair wage. Not skimp and cheat/screw customers into paying their employees.

Hardcore Greg said:

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Poster despises CEO's, but also thinks those making $2-3/hr should not be getting tips. They should just be living under bridges, eating tuna and ramen. and only taking the bus.

To be fair, I used to have similar thoughts on tipping, until I got older and talked to people in the industry and realized that they barely make anything at all without tips.

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No.
I think the server should negotiate a fair wage or GTFO and get themselves an education and a higher paying job. No begging for tips. Waiters should show some dignity now.

Logos Stick said:

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Hardcore Greg said:

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To be fair, I used to have similar thoughts on tipping, until I got older and talked to people in the industry and realized that they barely make anything at all without tips.

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Back in the day, I had a hard 15% limit.

Now I tend to give generous tips if the service is good because I'm a multi-millionaire and I can help someone who is not making much money for doing a good job that benefits me.

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I can pay 100% if I wanted to and not feel it, but it is a matter of principle. I don't want to encourage free-loaders. They need to go out and get a real job like everyone else has to and stop being socialists and begging for welfare from paying customers.

infinity ag said:

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J. Walter Weatherman said:

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Im Gipper said:

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My take:
Tips are inherently socialist. Not capitalistic.

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Stop reading at this hilariously bad take. Sorry!!!

I get the problem people have with "tipping culture" in America, but voluntarily giving someone money is not remotely "socialism."

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OP clearly just wants more money to go directly to the CEOs and not to the workers.

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I want the CEO to pay the workers a fair wage. Not skimp and cheat/screw customers into paying their employees.

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Now THAT is a principle of socialism! A non-socialist like myself would allow the market to decide.

You would be paying for their employees anyway because the CEO would raise prices to cover the servers salary!

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Im Gipper said:

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My take:
Tips are inherently socialist. Not capitalistic.

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Stop reading at this hilariously bad take. Sorry!!!

I get the problem people have with "tipping culture" in America, but voluntarily giving someone money is not remotely "socialism."

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Tip culture is one of the most capitalist and in some ways employee exploitative way to run a business
Step one have business
Step two have most of your employees paid ( by the employer ) a non livable wage.
Step three require the customer to make up the difference and possibly government will need to provide food assistance , rent subsidies and Medicaid for the employees that are paid a non livable wage what could be more capitalist than this

People who get tips iirc are paid less than $4 an hour

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In that case, ask your boss to pay you based on tips you receive from your customers. Let him pay you $2/hr.
The rest you make up in tips. Feel free to shame your customers if they don't shell out.

Time to put one's money where one's mouth is.

Come back and post here as to what happens.

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If we could go back to 1776 and start over, I think most Americans would choose not to do adopt tipping as a norm. But here we are...it's a part of our culture and culture is difficult to change.

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I think THIS is the right answer.
Most everyone else is just coping (and lying to themselves).

Hardcore Greg said:

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Poster despises CEO's, but also thinks those making $2-3/hr should not be getting tips. They should just be living under bridges, eating tuna and ramen. and only taking the bus.

To be fair, I used to have similar thoughts on tipping, until I got older and talked to people in the industry and realized that they barely make anything at all without tips.

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Tuna AND Ramen!?

What the heck are they? Rich!?!?

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Logos Stick said:

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Hardcore Greg said:

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To be fair, I used to have similar thoughts on tipping, until I got older and talked to people in the industry and realized that they barely make anything at all without tips.

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Back in the day, I had a hard 15% limit.

Now I tend to give generous tips if the service is good because I'm a multi-millionaire and I can help someone who is not making much money for doing a good job that benefits me.

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This, I don't want to get into specifics, but I am worth, let's just say north of $15 mil (I'm 45 so I'm nearing retirement)...but even when I wasn't, when I was just worth a few million, I decided to make an effort to truly reward excellent service in generous fashion.

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I am a bit below you but not by much... but that isn't the point.

I want to help people who are genuinely in trouble like losing their houses, medical bills etc. I will start doing that once my I'm done with my kid's college in a few years. All this is optional.

In America tips aren't really optional. They demand it and stand around to pressure you also.

Logos Stick said:

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infinity ag said:

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J. Walter Weatherman said:

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Im Gipper said:

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My take:
Tips are inherently socialist. Not capitalistic.

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Stop reading at this hilariously bad take. Sorry!!!

I get the problem people have with "tipping culture" in America, but voluntarily giving someone money is not remotely "socialism."

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OP clearly just wants more money to go directly to the CEOs and not to the workers.

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I want the CEO to pay the workers a fair wage. Not skimp and cheat/screw customers into paying their employees.

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Now THAT is a principle of socialism! A non-socialist like myself would allow the market to decide.

You would be paying for their employees anyway because the CEO would raise prices to cover the servers salary!

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In that case everyone is being socialist. By fair wage I mean leave it open. If it is $2/hr then it is that much and that is fair. I am not saying make it $15, they can stick it to $2.

Just don't beg paying customers to pay for your rent. People who do that are SOCIALISTS. And you are one as well (don't worry, we won't hate you for it)

Hardcore Greg said:

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Poster despises CEO's, but also thinks those making $2-3/hr should not be getting tips. They should just be living under bridges, eating tuna and ramen. and only taking the bus.

To be fair, I used to have similar thoughts on tipping, until I got older and talked to people in the industry and realized that they barely make anything at all without tips.

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I despise bad CEOs. Just like other bad things.

But if someone makes $2, they need to go out and get a real job and quit whining.
I don't go to restaurants to pay people's rents.
Is that so hard to comprehend?

Same advice I give my kids. No one is responsible to give them a good life but themselves.

Let's not normalize laziness.

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Hardcore Greg said:

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Poster despises CEO's, but also thinks those making $2-3/hr should not be getting tips. They should just be living under bridges, eating tuna and ramen. and only taking the bus.

To be fair, I used to have similar thoughts on tipping, until I got older and talked to people in the industry and realized that they barely make anything at all without tips.

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I despise bad CEOs. Just like other bad things.

But if someone makes $2, they need to go out and get a real job and quit whining.
I don't go to restaurants to pay people's rents.
Is that so hard to comprehend?

Same advice I give my kids. No one is responsible to give them a good life but themselves.

Let's not normalize laziness.

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Who is a good CEO in your mind? because based on your posting history, it certainly appears all CEOs are bad.

Maybe asking for tips for absolutely everything has gotten people even more sensitive to bad tipping. Going to pick up a cup of coffee and people expecting me to pay them to do their actual jobs is getting tired. I'll tip someone for carrying my bags, driving me to the airport, waiting on me while sitting at a table or grooming a dog. When you start expecting tips for standing behind a cash register all day, you've lost me. Get your ass up and start doing things worthy of additional money.

You are 100% wrong on it being socialism and your rationalization is insane.

When you go dinner you are "paying the rent" of every single person that works for the establishment. Thats how capitalism works.

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Hardcore Greg said:

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Poster despises CEO's, but also thinks those making $2-3/hr should not be getting tips. They should just be living under bridges, eating tuna and ramen. and only taking the bus.

To be fair, I used to have similar thoughts on tipping, until I got older and talked to people in the industry and realized that they barely make anything at all without tips.

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I despise bad CEOs. Just like other bad things.

But if someone makes $2, they need to go out and get a real job and quit whining.
I don't go to restaurants to pay people's rents.
Is that so hard to comprehend?

Same advice I give my kids. No one is responsible to give them a good life but themselves.

Let's not normalize laziness.

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Sounds like you should not be eating out at all tbh. You're honestly feeding into the "cut throat and greedy third world Indian man with money" stereotypes. Close cousin to the urban black person in terms of tipping or bartering in bad faith.

Their pay structure is vastly different from that of a salaried worker. Hell, some jobs are exclusively tipped income. 15% should be the rock bottom standard for decent service imo. You're searching for $5 million homes in Silicon Valley and you are complaining about tipping someone $10-15 who makes like $2/hr bcause that is the traditional American pay structure for waiting tables. Never go full "old Indian man" lol

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15% should be the rock bottom standard for decent service imo.

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Key word there is "decent". Most want 20% just for showing up. And not just want, feel they are entitled to it.

Hardcore Greg said:

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infinity ag said:

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Hardcore Greg said:

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Poster despises CEO's, but also thinks those making $2-3/hr should not be getting tips. They should just be living under bridges, eating tuna and ramen. and only taking the bus.

To be fair, I used to have similar thoughts on tipping, until I got older and talked to people in the industry and realized that they barely make anything at all without tips.

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I despise bad CEOs. Just like other bad things.

But if someone makes $2, they need to go out and get a real job and quit whining.
I don't go to restaurants to pay people's rents.
Is that so hard to comprehend?

Same advice I give my kids. No one is responsible to give them a good life but themselves.

Let's not normalize laziness.

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Sounds like you should not be eating out at all tbh. You're honestly feeding into the insanely cheap and greedy Indian man stereotypes. Close cousin to the urban black person in terms of tipping or bartering in bad faith.

Their pay structure is vastly different from that of a salaried worker. Hell, some jobs are exclusively tipped income. 15% should be the rock bottom standard for decent service imo.

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Yep, I start at 15 and go up with better service. And I'm a broke ass compared to most of y'all but I don't eat out much, of at all, unless I'm treating my 7yo to a meal out.


Exactly zero "socialist" about tips. Which was rich coming from one of the boards more liberal, prolific posters.

I would rather patron an establishment where the service staff is tipped versus paying 20% more for my meal and receiving **** service.

It's not that big of a deal. The only people who have issues with this are cheap-asses. Either way, you're going to end up paying the same amount of money. The American tipping culture just helps to assure quality service.

Now, I am fatigued with seeing Tip requests EVERYWHERE. I only tip servers and bartenders. I will also tip staff at small restaurants I go to all the time for togo orders. Just a a couple bucks because they know me and are pleasant all the time, but that shouldn't be expected.

Also, people who say "just pay the staff" tend to have never worked in the restaurant industry. By law, the restaurant MUST pay you minimum wage. If your tips don't bring your income up to minimum wage, then the restaurant has to fill in the rest.

ETA: I worked as a server in college. I can tell you my worst tips came from businessmen and blacks (literally around 50/50 between standard tips and no or sub 10% tips). Whereas, your average working class and hispanics ALWAYS tipped.

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You are 100% wrong on it being socialism and your rationalization is insane.

When you go dinner you are "paying the rent" of every single person that works for the establishment. Thats how capitalism works.

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Basic Adam Smith economic philosophy of "mutual benefit through exchange". It's literally the essence of Capitalism at it's root level. I have something you need, you have somethign I need, let's act in good faith to get what we both need.

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Im Gipper said:

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My take:
Tips are inherently socialist. Not capitalistic.

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Stop reading at this hilariously bad take. Sorry!!!

I get the problem people have with "tipping culture" in America, but voluntarily giving someone money is not remotely "socialism."

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Tip culture is one of the most capitalist and in some ways employee exploitative way to run a business
Step one have business
Step two have most of your employees paid ( by the employer ) a non livable wage.
Step three require the customer to make up the difference and possibly government will need to provide food assistance , rent subsidies and Medicaid for the employees that are paid a non livable wage what could be more capitalist than this

People who get tips iirc are paid less than $4 an hour

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Hourly wage depends on the state. Great service industry folks will find the best restaurants or regions to pursue their craft (bigger tickets = bigger tips).

The standardization brought on by hedge funds and franchises unfortunately ruin unique experiences and worsen overall enjoyment, imo.

Started working in the restaurant industry at 16 and paid my way through college on tips... Loved serving and wish it was more viable to run a food service business in this era of crap Cisco Sysco supplied foodstuffs and seed oils. But damned over-regulation ruin good things.


Foreigners and 'canadians' (iykyk) were the worst tippers, foreigners are forgivable.