The European Fight Over AC is Baffling

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Well if it's anything like my RV with two solar panels, AC can theoretically be powered by the lithium batteries for about 5 minutes. So yes, yes it is possible.

While it's hooked up to my truck it can run just fine thoigh, since it acts as a generator. But that's a gas engine that charges my truck batteries, which then directly powers the AC so…in that sense, if you ignore the truck being a generator stage, the truck hybrid batteries powering the trailer AC is all electric. See? Green energy!
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They should just say they are powered by Unicorn farts like a Tesla.
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The nazis on the left would love nothing more than to shut off air conditioning in the entire southern United States

They have already mentioned this a few times as part of their "Save the Planet" and "Climate Change" speels. AC does consume a good part of electicity generation but it also makes much of the country liveable.

Modern construction is designed around the use of AC. Turning it all off would make most buildings and homes unusable.
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That quote doesn't even seem real - it reads like an excerpt from a dystopian novel.

Picture at the bottom sums it up

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June 1977 in Schenectady NY for GE training for the summer. Apartment mate was from Alabama. First thing we did was rent a big window AC unit.

They're needed at least part of the year most everywhere. Also, for much of the country your AC is also your heater.
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halfastros81 said:

You've never been to Omaha in June I suspect.

Nope. NEPA is actually really humid too, at times.

I lived in Oregan as well. I do not remember it being humid in OR which is a bit surprising given the moisture. I guess the air coming off the Pacific moves it out of there and dumps it here in the gulf states. No AC in my apartment. No AC in the Honda Prelude I bought up there. I don't think I even realized until I drove it back to Texas. One of many "what was I thinking" moments.

Im in camp "come and take it" for sure.
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aggiehawg said:

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They also have an aversion to clothes dryers too and prefer to hang their laundry out to dry. I remember seeing clothes lines in older houses back in the 70s but haven't seen one in decades. Even the poors in America have a dryer.

Space. No place to put a dryer. Washers are under the counter in the kitchen. Some of those units are both washer and dryer within the same undercounter unit. Laundry day must take an eternity.


Way back when, I was renting a room right out of college. 2bdr condo and the owner had one of these 2-in-1 units. I swear you could put a pair of jeans, 2 tshirts and underwear in it. It was absolutely horrible at drying so his clothes were constantly hung out on everything.

I'd go down to the lau dry room and use 2 washers and 2 dryers and be done in u der 2hrs. That thing was a POS. Both the roommate and the unit.
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aggiehawg said:

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There are places in the US that do not have AC. I lived in a really nice house in Northeast PA with no AC. A couple of weeks in the summer I was cussing the idiots (I say that with love, some good folks up there). But overall, not needed.

All that to say, unless you live on the Gulf Coast of TX, LA, AL, GA, or FL you have no business commenting on this subject.


It's not the heat, it's the humadidity.



Try that in Phoenix when it is over 100 degrees the moment the sun comes up. Of course because it is a dry heat, they use evaporative cooling, swamp coolers. Had those when I lived in New Mexico.

I had a depo of a neurosurgeon in Phoenix last year. No A/C in the cab and in a suit. Not fun.
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Meanwhile, in San Marcos…

"Man, you oughtta be down here; it's such a great day. I get in my old convertible and drive around San Marcos. I go down an alley and look into this one back yard, and there are 20 Mexican guys drinking Schlitz beer. There is one of those really long, orange extension cords that goes way back into the house and is plugged in somewhere. It comes out into the yard and goes all the way out to a picnic table, where it is plugged into a window-unit air conditioner."
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A/C is life support
No, I don't care what CNN or Miss NOW said this time
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AgFan1974 said:

There are places in the US that do not have AC. I lived in a really nice house in Northeast PA with no AC. A couple of weeks in the summer I was cussing the idiots (I say that with love, some good folks up there). But overall, not needed.

All that to say, unless you live on the Gulf Coast of TX, LA, AL, GA, or FL you have no business commenting on this subject.


Growing up in Texas, we all undoubtedly heard Dumb Yankee stories. My favorite involves a man who moves to Texas from New York with his wife for a new job.

As the story goes, he starts getting his summertime electric bills and they seem abnormally high. They were hundreds of dollars (this was decades ago). He knew the A/C consumed a good bit of electricity, but it still seemed like too much. All of his Texas-raised co-workers agreed that yes, those bills were too high.

Eventually he discovered what was going on. While he was at work during the day, his wife was opening all the windows of the house. That's what you did up north on a hot day. But now his A/C is working overtime trying to cool the whole neighborhood.
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aggiehawg said:

bonfarr said:

They also have an aversion to clothes dryers too and prefer to hang their laundry out to dry. I remember seeing clothes lines in older houses back in the 70s but haven't seen one in decades. Even the poors in America have a dryer.

Space. No place to put a dryer. Washers are under the counter in the kitchen. Some of those units are both washer and dryer within the same undercounter unit. Laundry day must take an eternity.

When you don't bathe, no need for clean clothes.
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aggiehawg said:

Muy said:

Thunderstruck xx said:

Haha sucks to be EU.


It's on them and their liberal hive mind.

And who said they need central air in those old homes? Almost like they aren't aware of window units!

Here's the problem with what we think of as window units. They have casement windows not double hung. Those casement windows either crank out or crank in. So window units don't work.

Neither do window screens. They don't have those either.

Mini splits do work though, and are pretty efficient since they are variable speed inverter driven units.

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The 2022 United Kingdom heatwaves were part of several heatwaves across Europe and North Africa. The United Kingdom experienced three heatwaves; the first was for three days in June, the second for three days in July, and the third for six days in August.

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On the three days from 15 June to 17 June, temperatures in Kew, London, reached at least 28 C (82 F), the official heatwave threshold at that location for that time of year.[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_United_Kingdom_heatwaves#cite_note-:6-7][7][/url] On 17 June, a high of 32.7 C (90.9 F) was recorded in Santon Downham, Suffolk.[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_United_Kingdom_heatwaves#cite_note-:6-7][7][/url]

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On 17 July, the first day of the amber warning, the highest temperature recorded was 33 C (91 F) in Hawarden, Wales. The highest temperature in England was 32 C (90 F) in Nantwich, and the highest in Scotland was 26.4 C (79.5 F) in Auchincruive. Northern Ireland reached 27.7 C (81.9 F) in Armagh.[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_United_Kingdom_heatwaves#cite_note-23][23][/url]
On 18 July, the first day of the red warning, temperatures reached 38.1 C (100.6 F) in Santon Downham, Suffolk. Wales broke its record for the highest recorded temperature, with 37.1 C (98.8 F) recorded in Hawarden.[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_United_Kingdom_heatwaves#cite_note-:0-24][24][/url] The Channel Islands had a new record temperature as 38 C (100 F) was recorded in St Helier.[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_United_Kingdom_heatwaves#cite_note-25][25][/url] The highest temperature in Scotland was 31.3 C (88.3 F) in Aboyne, and the highest in Northern Ireland was 31.1 C (88.0 F) in Derrylin.[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_United_Kingdom_heatwaves#cite_note-26][26][/url] Cornwall reached 34.2 C (93.6 F) in Bude, breaking the county's record of 33.9 C (93.0 F) set during the 1976 British Isles heatwave.[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_United_Kingdom_heatwaves#cite_note-27][27][/url]

There are other temps mentioned as well, but what they call a heatwave is laughable to us. Most of those temps are our normal May through early July numbers and the couple of triple digits mentioned are a standard September dove hunting day.
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I will be in London from July 1 to the 7th, visiting my wife's sister and family. Our hotel has AC, their house does not.
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There are other temps mentioned as well, but what they call a heatwave is laughable to us. Most of those temps are our normal May through early July numbers and the couple of triple digits mentioned are a standard September dove hunting day.

Oh I agree. Europeans are not a very hardy group as a whole. Little tolerance for temperature changes. And little tolerance for food that actually has flavor and spices. Thy have had it drilled into their head that flavor is bad for their health.

Watching as many streams of Europeans visiting and eating in America as I have for the last few years comments about getting diabetes from banana pudding, arteries clogging from fatty brisket or juicy burgers, heart attacks from eating something and the like it is very obsessive to me.

How many Americans are actually afraid of food as being bad for them? I mean, Brits don't even drink milk even as kids. A gallon of milk to them is two month's supply. (Despite it going bad before then. But further they don't have gallon size drinks is lack of refrigerator space.)
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Ginormus Ag said:

I will be in London from July 1 to the 7th, visiting my wife's sister and family. Our hotel has AC, their house does not.

Most hotels there won't let you set it to/below 68 degrees I believe (20C). They religiously hate freedom in Londonistan. If I were to visit again I'd avoid even getting on this site to avoid risk of being charged with wrong think crimes.
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Weren't the guys in Walton arguing against A/C at one point?
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Wildmen03 said:

I bet all those people arguing against air conditioning have air conditioning.


Ever news studio with people arguing about AC has AC

All the office buildings on Canary Wharf have AC
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Without question much of the US would not have seen the population boom without the advance of Air-conditioning
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Ginormus Ag said:

I will be in London from July 1 to the 7th, visiting my wife's sister and family. Our hotel has AC, their house does not.


Now tell us how you plan to celebrate the 4th whilst in the belly of the beast?
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Jack Boyett said:

Weren't the guys in Walton arguing against A/C at one point?

Yes.

Part of it was tradition, part of it was because Walton was the cheapest dorm to live in on campus because it didn't have AC.

Before Carrier took the concept of thermal expansion and put it in a mechanical unit, the south was still much like the south of the WONA - agrarian, much lower population. Once AC was invented and started to become mainstream, the overall growth of the southern states began.

But even then people lived well into the 70's and 80's in a lot of areas without AC and made it just fine. There are a lot of houses down where I grew up that have AC but rarely use them because the houses were designed without AC and with the trade winds in mind. Warmer inside that I would prefer, but still very tolerable when it's 90 out but it's mid to upper 70's inside when the windows are open to catch the breeze and you have fans keeping air moving inside.

Houses used to have whole house fans too, had one in my house in college. And on days not in August and September, I could fire that fan up and crack the windows open and have a very solid draft through the house and be extremely comfortable without my AC running. Just don't leave the fan on and the windows open when you mow the yard, that was a bad experience.
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Zachary Klement said:

Wildmen03 said:

I bet all those people arguing against air conditioning have air conditioning.

AC for me, but not for thee!


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The British Museum has a special 250th exhibit we are going to visit on the 4th.

I will be wearing a MAGA hat, and I have t-shirts that say, "It's only treason if you lose" and "The United Kingdom blew a 13-colony lead."
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I bought the Treason shirt and this as well for the 250th
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Ginormus Ag said:

The British Museum has a special 250th exhibit we are going to visit on the 4th.

I will be wearing a MAGA hat, and I have t-shirts that say, "It's only treason if you lose" and "The United Kingdom blew a 13-colony lead."

You might want to ask those local family members about the wisdom of wearing those shirts in public. Some very weird censorship actions there are becoming more and more common.

Just a suggestion.
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Anti-AC euros are afraid they'll lose their heritage as a smelly smelly people.
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Do they not have AC in their cars? And that's not enough to convince them to put it in their houses?? "Oh my days!"
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boulderaggie said:

Do they not have AC in their cars? And that's not enough to convince them to put it in their houses?? "Oh my days!"


Some do.

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boulderaggie said:

Do they not have AC in their cars? And that's not enough to convince them to put it in their houses?? "Oh my days!"

Many do. And sometimes they will sleep in them during heat waves like this. Makes little sense but it is what it is.

Even ceiling fans for air circulation are beyond reach for many of them because of their construction techniques and wiring. Not to mention having to hire an electrician to do the work. Also, some of their ceilings are lower creating additional problems for one with a light kit.
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LMAO this reminds me of the WalMart Black Friday sales.
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Let the collectivist sheep stew in their own stupidity. They elected the people that make these ridiculous rules.

I am thankful I live in relative freedom in this country, especially in red states, where I can buy as much AC as I want/afford, and can set it on whatever temp I want. I don't feel one bit bad or guilty for it either.

Europe is what it always has been. Subjects longing to be ruled by kings/elites. Thank God our Founders understood there was a better way and broke free of the shackles of tyranny.

Just more to celebrate on the upcoming 250th Independence Day celebration.
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aggiehawg said:

Oh and I forgot. Some Europeans, particularly Italians, have been convinced that A/C causes them to become sick, literally will kill them. They are afraid of it.


Yes, when I went there, it was uncomfortably warm in most of the buildings even in the fall and people were dressed as if it was the middle of winter every morning and evening even in pleasant 60-70 degree weather. It is very much in the culture that being physically cool was bad for your health.


My own theory is they spent all their money on a few sets of very nice expensive clothing so it had to be warm stuff and they'd just suffer through the heat looking nice but all secretly miserable in July.
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"I'll give you control of my Honeywell thermostat when you pry it from my cold, dead hands"
 
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