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AustinCountyAg said:

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because I have two toddlers at home and its very hard for me sit down on a sunday afternoon and actually "watch" a game for three hours straight uninterrupted. And after the Deshaun crap and Hopkins trade I lost a lot of interest in following the Texans.

I apologize for not being a dedicated member of the Bullpen.

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With all due respect, and remember I'm saying with all due respect, if you haven't watched a game, you aren't in a position to grade players?

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where did I ever grade players? You hardcore Texan fans sure are fired up today trying to pounce on me

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I'm no John Maclain Texans guru, but nobody comes to mind as being highly regarded and successful that Nicky C has hit on besides Pierce and he wasn't an early pick.

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I wasn't trying to take a pro- or anti-Caserio stance. Early results are mixed. This coaching hire and this draft will ultimately decide how long he sticks around. If he hires a good coach and drafts a good quarterback, we're going to win a lot of games and he'll probably be here for a long while. If he misses on either, that's probably it for him. Few GM's get to hire a third coach or draft a second franchise quarterback.

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Got a little salty in here. Wish the team had this much fight.

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Did you watch the final game of the year?

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I get not wanting to give up picks, but on the flip side who's to say Nicky C will even draft anyone worth a **** with one of those picks.

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To answer your original post crapping on the GM, Jalen Pitre says Nicky C will draft players worth a *****

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so Pitre is the only one who's been decent to good that he's drafted prior to the fourth round?

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I get not wanting to give up picks, but on the flip side who's to say Nicky C will even draft anyone worth a **** with one of those picks.

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To answer your original post crapping on the GM, Jalen Pitre says Nicky C will draft players worth a *****

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so Pitre is the only one who's been decent to good that he's drafted prior to the fourth round?

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I think the only pick that truly struggled was Kenyon.

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I get not wanting to give up picks, but on the flip side who's to say Nicky C will even draft anyone worth a **** with one of those picks.

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To answer your original post crapping on the GM, Jalen Pitre says Nicky C will draft players worth a *****

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so Pitre is the only one who's been decent to good that he's drafted prior to the fourth round?

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I think the only pick that truly struggled was Kenyon.

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Recommend to anyone that posts here to read (or listen) to the John Harris segments here on Tex Ags. LOTS of good Texans insight, including a good look at what happened to our guy Kenyon this season, what held him back.

It should still be stickied at the top of Liucci forum, check it out.

Even ChatGPT can't make up a plausible story line where the Texans win the Super Bowl.

The Houston Texans have done the impossible and won the Super Bowl. In a thrilling game against the Kansas City Chiefs, the Texans came out on top with a final score of 27-24.

The game was a back-and-forth battle, with both teams showing their strengths and making big plays. The Texans' defense was particularly impressive, holding the high-powered Chiefs offense to only 24 points.
The Texans' offense also stepped up, with quarterback Deshaun Watson leading the way. Watson threw for 346 yards and 3 touchdowns, and also added a touchdown on the ground. Wide receiver DeAndre Hopkins had a standout performance, catching 8 passes for 110 yards and a touchdown.
The Texans' victory is even more impressive considering the team's history. The franchise had never even appeared in a Super Bowl before, and many experts had not given them much of a chance against the heavily favored Chiefs. But the Texans proved everyone wrong, and their hard work and determination paid off in the form of a Super Bowl win.
The city of Houston is ecstatic about the victory, and fans are already looking forward to next season. With a young and talented team, the Texans have the potential to continue their success and make another run at the Super Bowl.
It's a historic win for the Texans, showing that anything is possible with hard work, dedication and a little bit of luck. The team and their fans will be celebrating for a long time.

Kenyon struggled, but he also had some rebound efforts that showed improvement.

In my opinion, Year 1 is the hardest transition from college to NFL specifically for secondary and O-Line players.

I remember Dwayne Brown and Kareem Jackson both being horrible liabilities their first season. They both improved to have a good career.

Let's just hope Ken goes the way of Brown and not Joeckel.

If Cowherd is repeating what Payton told him, then he's talking about Houston@nick_underhill told @OTB_ESPN that the Texans met w/ Payton on Mon, Denver on Tues & @DNewtonespn says Carolina on Fri

Denver's meeting was in person, Houston was the only ZOOM meeting w/ Payton https://t.co/h9jXb5qZiw

— Jeremy Branham (@JeremyBranham) January 18, 2023

Edited with a little more context

Not to say he's not right but that's a bit of a stretch to assume he's talking about Houston.

He's interviewing with a bunch of teams. He could be referring to any one of them.

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Not to say he's not right but that's a bit of a stretch to assume he's talking about Houston.

He's interviewing with a bunch of teams. He could be referring to any one of them.

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Could be. I don't keep track of all the league ownership there's always a couple of nincompoops who inherited the team from daddy and are running it into the ground. While Cal is a moron, he does seem to love football.

But I believe Payton interviewed by zoom (which is so Texans to do), did he not?…and if he's referring to Houston, he'd be right on the money.

I usually take what Cowherd but the fact that he has Payton on his show once a week might carry some weight to those comment's.

I think it's easy to assume it's Cal, wouldn't shock me or anyone else but there's a couple of different kinds of owners in the NFL. Those that are self made and those who inherited teams/fortunes. I'm guessing a conversation with David Tepper, self-made hedge fund manager, and Cal McNair who inherited a team are going to be very different. Also, Denver is primarily owned by Rob Walton who inherited his fortune. That being said, Cal has been around a while, Tepper was a minority owner of the Steelers before buying the Panthers so they both have experience being around NFL franchises. All 3 of them have different backgrounds. The other 2 franchises looking for coaches, Arizona and Indy, are also owned by men who inherited the teams.

Houston is the low hanging fruit for the comments, but unless he says the quiet part out loud all we can do is speculate. Houston isn't really in a position to refute the comments given the state of the franchise the last few years.

That's a fair assessment.

I don't know what to think because from reading a bit some on New Orleans side reported that the meeting with the Texans went well and both sides came away impressed with one another. I'm also seeing that Denver put a really good foot forward.

One thing is that justified or not and whoever it is he's referring to I'm not a big fan of Payton (or maybe it's Cowherd I don't know) blabbing about the goings on in his interviews. Seems like so far Payton has been pretty quick to get in front a mic or camera and talk about himself and his situation.

Granted he's a media personality now and maybe it's just me but it just doesn't sit right with me. I'm still firmly in the corner that while Payton would make a good HC for this team but I'm not sold on giving up a 1st rounder for him.

I don't know if Payton is or isn't the best guy for the job. One thing has become abundantly clear over the past few seasons, coaching directly impacts QB play and team success, it's easily illustrated by the QB's we've seen get better with a change in coaching. Tannehill in Tennessee is a better QB than Tannehill in Miami. Tua with McDaniel is better than Tua with Flores. Daniel Jones with Daboll is much better than Daniel Jones with Joe Judge. Russell Wilson with Hackett has been worse than Pete Carroll. Carr looked worse this year with McDaniels than in previous seasons.

Getting the right coach is just as important as getting the right QB in this draft, Caserio and the organization need to get that right in order for that team and QB to have a real chance at a turnaround. Because of how well Jalen Hurts has performed this year I'm really big on Steichen. But they also have worked to put a great offense around him. Invest in the right coach and invest in the players around the QB.

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I don't know if Payton is or isn't the best guy for the job. One thing has become abundantly clear over the past few seasons, coaching directly impacts QB play and team success, it's easily illustrated by the QB's we've seen get better with a change in coaching. Tannehill in Tennessee is a better QB than Tannehill in Miami. Tua with McDaniel is better than Tua with Flores. Daniel Jones with Daboll is much better than Daniel Jones with Joe Judge. Russell Wilson with Hackett has been worse than Pete Carroll. Carr looked worse this year with McDaniels than in previous seasons.

Getting the right coach is just as important as getting the right QB in this draft, Caserio and the organization need to get that right in order for that team and QB to have a real chance at a turnaround. Because of how well Jalen Hurts has performed this year I'm really big on Steichen. But they also have worked to put a great offense around him. Invest in the right coach and invest in the players around the QB.

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I agree with most of what you're saying here. I think this is the challenge DC's have to overcome to get a head coaching job and why most head coaches these days seem to be offensive coaches. I love DeMeco, but with a rookie QB, his OC hire is even more critical then it would normally be.

From the Cowherd comments, it doesn't seem like Payton is going to happen. Although, if I'm him, I want NOTHING to do with Denver/Russ. Carolina's QB situation might even be worse than ours.

Cannah is not an impressive owner. However, they aren't cheap...if Payton thinks he can work with Caserio, that might still be his best landing spot.

I've gone from not wanting Payton to talking myself into it to now thinking it isn't going to happen.

That's a really good point about the Texans/Saints history, I didn't think about that at all.

I also agree with OP, I think the Denver job is especially tough because of Wilson's deal, both for what they gave up and what they are paying him and for how long. That's going to be an issue for years to come. There's a case to be made the Denver job is the worst opening of the 5 because of that situation. Lack of flexibility can kill your chances for the long term as well as the short term. Especially considering they have to deal with Mahomes and Herbert twice a year.

I think Carolina is in the best place for a quick turnaround with the right moves in the offseason. I think they'll go hard for a free agent QB. I wonder if they'll make a run at Daniel Jones. Since the Giants didn't pick up his 5th year option he's a UFA after the season's over. He's from Charlotte and went to school at Duke, maybe he wants to stick with Daboll, but he might be tempted to go home. If Brady leaves Tampa this offseason for either retirement or another opportunity, the NFC south is the worst division in football when it comes to QB talent, that could be extremely appealing to both coaches and QBs looking at open jobs.

AFC south right now really just has Lawrence when it comes to young talented QBs, making the openings in Houston and Indy better than Denver.

Arizona has to deal with SF, Seattle, and the Rams.

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If I'm Payton, I'm not real happy with Cowherd for airing all of this publicly. Whether he wants the job or not,
Cowherd running his big mouth can't help his situation.

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Exactly. Imagine interviewing for several management openings at different companies, and you tell your friend that one of the companies seemed very disorganized. Then that friend turns around and writes up a post on LinkedIn about companies appearing disorganized during interviews and tags you in the post. The companies interviewing you can now see the post if they search your name, which you can count on. I'd be pissed as hell since it would sour some if not all of the relationships with those potential companies. That's essentially what Cowherd did here.

First Draft podcast with Kiper and McShay is up and they go into depth on Young, Stroud, Levis, and Richardson, it's a good listen. Kiper is all in on Levis, McShay is all in on Young. Both have the same thoughts on Stroud, needs to use his legs more, which he did against Georgia, but also has the most passing talent in the draft. McShay not as sold on Levis and there's no consensus from the GMs in the league about him, the team that drafts him is hoping they get the next Josh Allen but the 2022 season wasn't his best, battled injuries and didn't have a good o-line or wr group. Both like Richardson but agree that he's raw, a risk, and needs to develop. Imperative that he needs to go to the right situation to have any chance at being a solid NFL QB.

So surprised Kiper likes Levis.

Kiper hasn't been relevant for 20 years. Who cares what he thinks.

as previously mentioned above...the 2023 offseason is more complicated because of the potential availability of Daniel Jones, Lamar Jackson, and Derek Carr.

teams in need of QB's could try free agency instead of the draft to upgrade at QB.

and prospective new coaches...like Sean Payton...would like to know what the organization's plan is before signing on

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So surprised Kiper likes Levis.

Kiper hasn't been relevant for 20 years. Who cares what he thinks.

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Mel Kiper's shining moment