zooguy96 said:

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So surprised Kiper likes Levis.

Kiper hasn't been relevant for 20 years. Who cares what he thinks.

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I don't really understand the Levis love from anyone right now. Compared to Young and Stroud his numbers the last 2 seasons don't put him in the same conversation.

Will Levis
2022 Stats | 2021 Stats
185/283 (65.4%) | 233/353 (66.0%)
2406 yards (8.5 avg) | 2826 yards (8.0 avg)
19 td's | 24 td's
10 int's | 13 int's

Bryce Young
2022 Stats | 2021 Stats
245/380 (64.5%) | 366/547 (66.9%)
3328 yards (8.8 avg) | 4872 yards (8.9 avg)
32 td's | 47 td's
5 int's | 7 int's

CJ Stroud
2022 Stats | 2021 Stats
258/389 (66.3%) | 317/441 (71.9%)
3688 yards (9.5 avg) | 4435 yards (10.1 avg)
41 td's | 44 td's
6 int's | 6 int's

Max Power said:

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zooguy96 said:

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So surprised Kiper likes Levis.

Kiper hasn't been relevant for 20 years. Who cares what he thinks.

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I don't really understand the Levis love from anyone right now. Compared to Young and Stroud his numbers the last 2 seasons don't put him in the same conversation.

Will Levis
2022 Stats | 2021 Stats
185/283 (65.4%) | 233/353 (66.0%)
2406 yards (8.5 avg) | 2826 yards (8.0 avg)
19 td's | 24 td's
10 int's | 13 int's

Bryce Young
2022 Stats | 2021 Stats
245/380 (64.5%) | 366/547 (66.9%)
3328 yards (8.8 avg) | 4872 yards (8.9 avg)
32 td's | 47 td's
5 int's | 7 int's

CJ Stroud
2022 Stats | 2021 Stats
258/389 (66.3%) | 317/441 (71.9%)
3688 yards (9.5 avg) | 4435 yards (10.1 avg)
41 td's | 44 td's
6 int's | 6 int's

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Look at his stats against only P5 competition. They're dreadful.

He's also absolutely zero running threat, so I don't know where anyone would be getting a Josh Allen comparison.

Good players find a way to produce. I'd someone takes Levi's in the first round they will be VERY disappointed.

I wouldn't put a lot of weight into their statistics. That said, I watched Levis play several times this past fall hoping to see whatever scouts were seeing and I didn't. He was never impressive in any way. I know he has a bazooka arm and that will all of the scouts excited at his pro day, but that might be one of the least important criteria for NFL success.

Stroud made him some money with that Georgia performance. That system seems to produce NFL flops though. I will say I like him better than the last couple guys they've had. He did a lot without being a college level dual threat and seemed capable of making tighter throws than some past Ohio St QBs. He also seems to have more going on between the ears than those past guys.

My neighbor that is an Ohio State fan said that Stroud is a better NFL prospect than Justin Fields, so there's that. Maybe if the Texans offense (assuming he is available at #2) could actually take advantage of his mobility, that could really open up things for him similar to what we all saw vs. Georgia. Perhaps Steichen's playcalling style of utilizing the QB's running ability paired with Stroud's throwing accuracy could make a lethal combo.

I hope we get Steichen. He's helped improve Hurts over the last two seasons and with Young or Stroud I am sure he can do great with them. Add in the TCU receiver if he is available plus the return of that Bama receiver and we have a receiver core with a lot of potential plus Nico. I also hope we can get Achane because he would be a perfect compliment to Pierce.

Id rather take Richardson over Levis because his ceiling is higher if they want a project. Levis looks like a poor man's Trubisky.

If Demeco Ryans is willling to overlook his Texans exit and come here and hires a Shanahan tree OC I think Derek Carr might come back too. Carr with Metchie, Collins, Akins and maybe the TCU WR picked at 12 and Pearce plus a Achane in the backfield sounds like a solid offense.

Even better if you could pry Devonte Adams from Vegas for pick 12 plus another later pick plus cooks, I think we could pass the jags.

The Raiders might be willing to give up Adams for cooks if we include picks 2 and 12 for pick 7 in this draft. LV could draft Young or Stroud and could also get the TCU wr. Just a thought.

Carr and Adams were on the same team this year, results were not good. I also don't want anything to do with Carr.

As stupid as Cal is, he's got to have enough of a brain to know that bringing in another Carr at QB is ticket sale suicide.

WES2006AG said:

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As a team that needs to add talent in so many spots it just doesn't seem prudent to spend draft capital on a head coach.

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Depends

What if that coach can improve you enough that you don't need all those picks or hitting on the HC is more likely than hitting on all the picks.

If it's a 1 or 2 pics with one of those being a later pick then it's not a big deal but no way should they be giving up 2 1s and 2 2s.

That's not justifiable

Ag_07 said:

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WES2006AG said:

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As a team that needs to add talent in so many spots it just doesn't seem prudent to spend draft capital on a head coach.

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Depends

What if that coach can improve you enough that you don't need all those picks or hitting on the HC is more likely than hitting on all the picks.

If it's a 1 or 2 pics with one of those being a later pick then it's not a big deal but no way should they be giving up 2 1s and 2 2s.

That's not justifiable.

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I think Payton to Houston is unlikely. However, were it to happen, I would probably talk myself into it being a good thing as long as what we trade for him isn't insane. I don't want to give up a first rounder for him...the 12th pick is probably the limit of what I could live with, and I really don't want to part with that pick if it can be avoided.

I get that Payton is about as close to as a "sure thing" as there is, and would bring stability to a franchise that badly needs it. I wonder how much fire he has in his belly at this point, but there is little doubt that the trajectory of this team would change immediately.

That said, I think I prefer the idea of keeping those picks and rolling with an up-and-comer. Up to Nick to find the right one.

Oh it's gonna take 12 and then some.

I don't like giving up that much either and like I've mentioned before Payton has kinda of turned me off during this whole process.

Like he's the almighty savior and he's getting off to all these teams courting him. Just a weird vibe I'm getting from him.

What are y'all's thoughts on Jeremy Branham, 97.5 mid day guy? He seems to think it's Gannon and has been all along. Thoughts are that the list of coaches they've interviewed, most via zoom, is just a smoke screen. He's been all over twitter ever since the guy he wanted, Ben Johnson, took his name off the list. Could be total BS but wouldn't surprise me at all of if this was the case.

IIRC Gannon is the only guy that we interviewed last year and is being interviewed again this year. Caserio has to be fond of him if he's getting another interview a year later. My gut says it's going to be him or Steichen, one of the Philly coordinators.

I asked a buddy of mine from there which he thinks is the better one and he said it's hard to answer. In a vacuum it would be Steichen because of how well their offense has played, but Sirianni is an offensive coach so it's difficult to know exactly how much is Steichen, and and how is Sirianni. Gannon on the other hand is solely defense.

Here's some Philly offensive and defensive ranking comparisons for reference:

Defense
Total: 3rd / Houston 30th
Pass: 1st / Houston 11th
Rush: 17th / Houston 32nd
Scoring: 8th / Houston 27th

Offense
Total: 2nd / Houston 31st
Pass: 9th / Houston 25th
Rush: 5th / Houston 31st
Scoring: 2nd / Houston 31st

I believe, with some exceptions of course, it's more about talent than coaching. Payton had quite a bit of offensive talent at NO, starting with Brees. They brought in good WRs and RBs. So a big question for me, which I don't have the answer to, is who was responsible for that talent acquisition at NO? How involved was Payton in personnel?

After his last couple of years at NO, I have my doubts (much like with former guru Gruden).

The latest genius, Sean McVay, started with an incredible roster. I wonder how he would look with the Texans or Colts roster. Probably not so smart.

Get a good, solid offensive minded coach and draft smart.

They hired Payton in January 2006, basically right after a really terrible season (Katrina, etc.)

They signed Brees about 2 months later.

Here's a video of Brees's signing day. I believe he was 14 years old at the time.

March 14, 2006: @drewbrees is introduced as the new quarterback of the New Orleans Saints (🎥 via @WWLTV) pic.twitter.com/iOpYpXoup9

— This Day In Sports Clips (@TDISportsClips) March 14, 2021

Wow, I TOTALLY forgot he was with the Chargers! And for 5 years!!

I haven't watched the Eagles all season but they look damn good so far in this divisional game.

If Steichen can make Jalen Hurts an MVP caliber playoff winning QB then I can get down with that.

I think Gannon is the front runner with the Eagles QB coach coming as OC. DeMeco could edge him out if he truly is open to coming though.

Ryan34 said:

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I think Gannon is the front runner with the Eagles QB coach coming as OC. DeMeco could edge him out if he truly is open to coming though.

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The only worry is experience with Gannon and QB coach Brian Johnson.

Gannon is very fast rising, but he's only been a defensive coordinator for 2 years with the Eagles, then before that 2 years as DB coach for the Colts, and before that was just Assistant and Quality control.

Brian Johnson has been the pros for the only the 2 years with the eagles. Before that, he was the OC at Florida in 2020 (helped transform Kyle Trask into a top college QB). Other stops were Houston OC in 2017, Mississippi State 14-16 as QB coach, Utah 2012-12 as OC and 10-11 as QB coach. QBs of note he coached in Florida are Kyle Trask and Feleipe Franks, at Mississippi state he mentored Nick Fitzgerald, and Dack Prescott (who both led the SEC in total offense while he was there)

Overall, the Gannon and Brian Johnson combo is very low floor but crazy high ceiling, so it's a risk, but I think I would be good with that risk.

the tweet about DeMeco calls him a "great teacher"

yes...of defense

W said:

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the tweet about DeMeco calls him a "great teacher"

yes...of defense

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If it's DeMeco I would hope he brings an up and comer from the Shanahan tree.

Overall, I would be happy with DeMeco or Gannon as both have designed great defenses to take advantage of their talent, plus both defenses play with an attitude and determination that our team needs a desperate infusion of.

IrishAg said:

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W said:

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the tweet about DeMeco calls him a "great teacher"

yes...of defense

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If it's DeMeco I would hope he brings an up and comer from the Shanahan tree.

Overall, I would be happy with DeMeco or Gannon as both have designed great defenses to take advantage of their talent, plus both defenses play with an attitude and determination that our team needs a desperate infusion of.

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Second. I also like the idea of bringing in the shanahan/west coast offense. It's made to get the most out of mid to high tier talent. Zone blocking, play action passing are a great combo. Plus teams that run systems like that have made it to the Super Bowl/playoffs every year since I started watching football in the 90's.

DeMeco cancelled his interviews with Indy and Arizona following our interview. Can't be a bad sign.