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Also, more food for thought, it looks like Jimmy G is definitely leaving San Fran this offseason. I wonder if he's someone we sign to a short team deal if we go the route of bringing the San Fran offense over? He would be a good stop gap for a year or 2 who could actually hep install the offense while we build talent, then we could grab a QB to move forward.

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That would make a lot of sense

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It's possible but he played well before getting hurt so he won't be inexpensive. I also think he might be more in demand than a lot of people are anticipating. I think he ends up on a team who didn't finish as low as us but are also in need of a QB to turn the corner quickly.

Teams he's most likely to end up with:
Washington - this would be where I predict he ends up
NY Jets - it looks like they're really going after Rodgers but GB isn't giving him away
Tampa Bay - Brady is out for real this time.

Other possibilities:
Miami - I think there's a real chance that Tua is done, there was an article that came out the other day that said he's still in concussion protocol.
Seattle - they played well with Geno but do they and Geno agree on his value?
New Orleans - though they also finished poorly they have good weapons but they are in a cap nightmare right now so I think they're out.
Carolina - they were close coming down the stretch and they're in a bad spot to assure themselves a decent QB in this draft. If they have Jimmy G they wouldn't have pressure to draft one in the first round and maybe take one in a later round like Hendon Hooker, Cam Ward, Dorian Thompson-Robinson, or Tanner McKee

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BillYeoman said:

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IrishAg said:

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Also, more food for thought, it looks like Jimmy G is definitely leaving San Fran this offseason. I wonder if he's someone we sign to a short team deal if we go the route of bringing the San Fran offense over? He would be a good stop gap for a year or 2 who could actually hep install the offense while we build talent, then we could grab a QB to move forward.

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That would make a lot of sense

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It's possible but he played well before getting hurt so he won't be inexpensive. I also think he might be more in demand than a lot of people are anticipating. I think he ends up on a team who didn't finish as low as us but are also in need of a QB to turn the corner quickly.

Teams he's most likely to end up with:
Washington - this would be where I predict he ends up
NY Jets - it looks like they're really going after Rodgers but GB isn't giving him away
Tampa Bay - Brady is out for real this time.

Other possibilities:
Miami - I think there's a real chance that Tua is done, there was an article that came out the other day that said he's still in concussion protocol.
Seattle - they played well with Geno but do they and Geno agree on his value?
New Orleans - though they also finished poorly they have good weapons but they are in a cap nightmare right now so I think they're out.
Carolina - they were close coming down the stretch and they're in a bad spot to assure themselves a decent QB in this draft. If they have Jimmy G they wouldn't have pressure to draft one in the first round and maybe take one in a later round like Hendon Hooker, Cam Ward, Dorian Thompson-Robinson, or Tanner McKee

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Of the top 3 you have
Washington - I could see that
NY Jets - I have a feeling it's Rogers or bust
Tampa Bay - if Brady is done, they might be looking to start over at this point. Brady is still going to count towards dead cap space next year, and I think they're already way over even the new cap by like 30 million. Actually looking more into it and if they take a dead salary cap hit for Brady like one of the sites says they do, Tampa Bay is in the worst cap situation of any team going into 2023. So, that also might be why Brady is done, the window is officially closed in Tampa Bay.

The rest I doubt would go after Jimmy G.


Edit: Also, randomly, I just saw that Tua came out of concussion protocol today, talk about weird timing with your post

Read this about Slowik

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The source also described Slowik as a "bright young coach who would be good for the Texans," but more importantly, credited Slowik for the success the Niners experienced under rookie quarterback Brock Purdy.

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Good so we don't have to waste the second overall pick on a QB?

Jimmy G to Texans as a stop gap?

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Jimmy G to Texans as a stop gap?

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I was thinking like the Chiefs and Alex smith, we could sign him to a 3 year contract in the high teens or low twenties and then build the team. We could then see if he could lead us or have the full window on a rookie QB contract to attempt to win

The #Texans interviewed #Patriots TEs coach Nick Caley for their OC job on DeMeco Ryans’ staff, source said. A rising young coach.

— Ian Rapoport (@RapSheet) February 1, 2023

I like all these candidates.

Young, fresh blood. All respected up and comers. No retreads

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The #Texans interviewed #Patriots TEs coach Nick Caley for their OC job on DeMeco Ryans’ staff, source said. A rising young coach.

— Ian Rapoport (@RapSheet) February 1, 2023

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If this guy was ready to call plays, then don't you think he would've done it for belichick last year instead of the patriots not having an offensive coordinator at all and having the defensive coordinator call plays?

Not at all

A new first time HC is more likely to give a guy his first shot that a HOF coach in Belichek.

And just Belichek doesn't think he's capable doesn't mean he isn't capable.

That would be throwing a wet blanket over the excitement of hiring Meco…no thanks.

Assuming we pass on a QB at 2, y'all interested in Richardson at 12? I'd personally like Brian Johnson as OC and think Richardson could excel in that kind of scheme. Just need to give him a year on the bench to develop. Maybe Jimmy G stop gap

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Assuming we pass on a QB at 2, y'all interested in Richardson at 12? I'd personally like Brian Johnson as OC and think Richardson could excel in that kind of scheme. Just need to give him a year on the bench to develop. Maybe Jimmy G stop gap

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That would be a dream scenario for me. Brian Johnson also recruited Richardson and coached him for a year at UF.

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Assuming we pass on a QB at 2, y'all interested in Richardson at 12? I'd personally like Brian Johnson as OC and think Richardson could excel in that kind of scheme. Just need to give him a year on the bench to develop. Maybe Jimmy G stop gap

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That would be a dream scenario for me. Brian Johnson also recruited Richardson and coached him for a year at UF.

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Same, I would like to go full BPA at #2 (Carter or Anderson) and then see what happens. If Richardson makes it to 12 then grab him, if not grab the best WR available.

I still like the idea, if we take Slowik, of going ahead and giving Jimmy G something like a 3 year 20 mil/per deal, get him in place and see what we can build with the draft picks.

We have so much cap space to play with this year, somewhere around 37 million in pure cap space, including Cooks contract. If we can move Cooks that would probably almost all of Jimmy G's contract, giving us a ton of flexibility.

But we're probably going to need some stability with the offense this year to decide where we want to go in 2024, like do we keep Tunsil and Howard as our OTs? They're both free agents after this year.

Just to play devil's advocate here but if Demeco brings in a young stud OC is it that bad of an idea to let him work with Mills and see if they can get something out of him and save these picks on surrounding talent?

If Brian Johnson turned Jalen Hurts into an MVP candidate or Slowik coached Trey Lance and Brock Purdy to the NFC championship game can they coach Mills up?

I'm not sold I'm just throwing it out there for discussion.

I'm not opposed to Mills and Richardson and saving cash. Regardless I don't want to go QB at 2 because I think Anderson specifically is a far superior player.

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Just to play devil's advocate here but if Demeco brings in a young stud OC is it that bad of an idea to let him work with Mills and see if they can get something out of him and save these picks on surrounding talent?

If Brian Johnson turned Jalen Hurts into an MVP candidate or Slowik coached Trey Lance and Brock Purdy to the NFC championship game can they coach Mills up?

I'm not sold I'm just throwing it out there for discussion.

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I would ok with that too. I just don't want us to reach for a QB because we "need" one to build the franchise around.

I think Mills could be a serviceable QB for the next year or 2 and man a team that gets back to around playing .500 ball. I don't think Mills is the QB of the future, but I also think that taking a QB of the future right now would be a waste, so why not give him a chance.

When it comes down to it, my 2 favorite scenarios would be, first, for us to find something that is stable at QB for the next 2ish years and build talent around him, then go and grab a QB of the future then. Or second, have someone like Richardson fall to us at 12 and have us pick him now and slowly bring him up. But in both scenarios we aren't feeling the pressure to start a rookie QB next year.

So I'm not opposed to Mills having a shot with a good system and real NFL caliber staff.

Problem is that if Mills improves just a bit but not good enough to be the future then you're suck in QB purgatory because you've won enough to not have a top pick but haven't won enough to make the playoffs.

Now you're SOL. It may be smart to get your QB now while you can.

I've been lurking for weeks but I'm ready to chime in... Start off by saying that I am not 100% convinced that Nick is worth a damn at the draft. He's made some picks that I have liked in the moment but they haven't shown out on the field yet. Maybe that changes this year with a different staff. We will see. That said...

- As a general rule, I do not like drafting #1 or #2. I don't mind owning the pick but would prefer that we always trade down for more draft capitol. There are exceptions to that rule but given the current quality of our roster, I feel that we would be better off as a team being able to grab more bodies in the 1st-3rd rounds in the next 2 drafts.

- I would not use a high pick (1st 3 rounds) on a QB this year. We have too many holes in our roster that need to be filled. I could see the argument for Richardson in the mid to late first if you had already traded down and added more picks but my preference would be to bring in a solid vet to compete with Mills and then strengthen the rest of the offense for our future franchise QB pick. If you improve the roster enough this draft and in FA then you can look at taking QB in next year's draft. And if necessary you can use the extra draft capitol that you have already obtained to trade up for one next year.

I think Jimmy G for $20M is wishful thinking. I bet he'll end up with around $30M.

There are lots of teams "a quarterback away" and he has been to the Super Bowl, NFC championships, etc. Outside of Rodgers, he may be the most coveted QB in free agency.

Mills hasn't had the weapons, coach, or OL to be successful, or accentuate his positives. He throws a catchable ball. He moves pretty well rolling out. He seems to struggle a bit in the pocket - but, he usually doesn't have a pocket to work from.

If it were me, I wouldn't waste a top pick on a QB. As mentioned, you've got too many other holes. Trade the 2nd pick and get multiple picks/players. You've already got a ton of picks; you've got a chance to get more talent more quickly at a lower price.

Y'all I like the idea of fresh start. We're getting young coordinators, hopefully, and a young QB. I like young or stroud both guys are accurate winners that can learn and grow.

I think the reality of picking up a Jimmy G locks the team into draft purgatory and I think it's a better thing to be picking top 6 next year with a young qb who grows into the system.

I wouldn't be opposed to another season of Mills with the right OC but there's some other things that have to be done for that to happen and have the chance to be successful. SF drafted Lance to be their QB, but they've been winning with Purdy and Jimmy G because everything was setup for them to be successful. Receiving weapons including TE, high quality offensive line, great running game.

WR room needs a complete overhaul to give Mills or any QB a chance. The problem is this is a really bad year for free agent WR's. The best available guys are JuJu Smith-Schuster, Jakobi Meyers, and Allen Lazard. If they want a true upgrade they'd need to trade for a guy and draft one at the 12th pick. There are several guys next year that will be UFA that could be traded for this year and extended. Tee Higgins comes to mind because the Bengals aren't going to be able to pay both him and Chase top dollar, and they're going to pay Chase. Did Atlanta release Calvin Ridley after the year long suspension? Mike Evans is only under contact one more year in TB.

Offensive line can be strengthened in free agency, there's always someone out there that can be had that's better than someone you've already got. They need to decide what they're going to do about Tunsil and Howard this offseason.

We have a solid RB in Pierce but we need depth at the position...and the answer is not Burkhead. A guy like Rashaad Penny, Jamaal Williams, Samaje Perine, etc so that Pierce isn't both the feature back but also the bruiser. Even though he's a guy similar to Zeke that seems to always get yards he doesn't need to take all the hits. A guy in the draft like Achane would be nice because he can do so many things with the ball even though he's not big.

This also would allow the team to not worry about anything happening in the draft because they'll have the ability to draft one of the two elite defensive prospects. What if Indy bets the farm on moving up for Young or Stroud, then we can take Carter or Anderson. DeMeco will get some say in whether or not that pick should be used on a QB. His defense has elite talent like Bosa, and Warner. Caserio also might not be sold on the QBs at that spot either.

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So I'm not opposed to Mills having a shot with a good system and real NFL caliber staff.

Problem is that if Mills improves just a bit but not good enough to be the future then you're suck in QB purgatory because you've won enough to not have a top pick but haven't won enough to make the playoffs.

Now you're SOL. It may be smart to get your QB now while you can.

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That's a trap right there. How did Buffalo or Kansas City get their QB of the future? If you're a coach and the QB you want to drive your team for the next 10 years is within your reach, then you go get him (where you're at in the draft or via trade up scenario). But you don't just take the top QB because you can right now with no regard to fit, that's just how you get another chance in 3 years to take a QB in the top 2 picks.

I think that's where most teams get trapped into perpetual top picks, they aren't building talent towards a system or style of play. Fit schematically and philosophically has to be there for top 5 picks to really hit. DeMeco is probably going to have a hard nose style of play like San Fran, so everyone we draft is going to have to buy into that philosophy in addition to fitting the offensive or defensive scheme.

Pretty sure every time we have had the number 1 pick we have wanted to trade down but gotta have a dance partner. Dont see anyone wanting to trade up to 2

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Y'all I like the idea of fresh start. We're getting young coordinators, hopefully, and a young QB. I like young or stroud both guys are accurate winners that can learn and grow.

I think the reality of picking up a Jimmy G locks the team into draft purgatory and I think it's a better thing to be picking top 6 next year with a young qb who grows into the system.

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We're going to have draft capital next year to move up (without crippling the draft) if the QB we want is going to be available. Don't forget we have 2 first rounders again next year, thanks to the Watson trade.

But, overall we have to be building towards a better team, and not planning on having a top 5 pick. If this coaching staff is planning around drafting top 6 next year, then they're never going to win here. If Jimmy G makes us better, and doesn't kill the cap, then you get him and don't worry about if he makes us too good for the draft next year. The better we look, the easier it is to bring in talented players at a reasonable rate in free agency, which we'll have cap room for.

Whatever they do, they need to get way better at picking in the top 5. 1 great player, a couple of good but not greats, a total trainwreck, and a very blah rookie isn't a good resume.

2002, Pick 1, David Carr

2003, Pick 3, Andre Johnson

2006, Pick 1, Mario Williams

2014, Pick 1, Jadaveon Clowney

2021, Pick 3, Derek Stingley Jr.

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Pretty sure every time we have had the number 1 pick we have wanted to trade down but gotta have a dance partner. Dont see anyone wanting to trade up to 2

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Yep. The Football Gods cursed the Texans for badly mishandling David Carr (terrible OL and Tony Banks was not the right veteran mentor for Carr) and made sure that in years we have had the first or second pick there is no consensus #1 player, especially at QB.

Thanks Charlie Casserly.