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maca1028
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Not impressed nor am I surprised by this. Smells like a typical Casserio move
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Another NE Patriot retread
maca1028
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I really don't like Casserio
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maca1028 said:

I really don't like Casserio


Outside of his issues with putting together a good OL through FA/Draft, he is by far our best GM the Texans have ever had…he has found tremendous value in talent in the 3rd round and beyond. Again outside of the OL, he has also found good talent in FA that has worked out…the hate for Ceserio is really odd.
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MelvinUdall said:

maca1028 said:

I really don't like Casserio


Outside of his issues with putting together a good OL through FA/Draft, he is by far our best GM the Texans have ever had…he has found tremendous value in talent in the 3rd round and beyond. Again outside of the OL, he has also found good talent in FA that has worked out…the hate for Ceserio is really odd.


It's the focus on the bad, and not appreciating the good. I blame the success we had in DeMeco's first season, it's skewed expectations hard. I find myself having issues with Casserio hate, so it's just reflex I guess.
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IrishAg said:

MelvinUdall said:

maca1028 said:

I really don't like Casserio


Outside of his issues with putting together a good OL through FA/Draft, he is by far our best GM the Texans have ever had…he has found tremendous value in talent in the 3rd round and beyond. Again outside of the OL, he has also found good talent in FA that has worked out…the hate for Ceserio is really odd.


It's the focus on the bad, and not appreciating the good. I blame the success we had in DeMeco's first season, it's skewed expectations hard. I find myself having issues with Casserio hate, so it's just reflex I guess.


I get it and I am just as frustrated with how they have attacked the OL and their swings and misses, but the overall success, especially in the draft needs to be appreciated more.
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OL gets all the attention because it's such a dumpster fire, but we need to do a better job drafting skill talent too. It's been a revolving door other than Nico.

I would like to see them start weighing measurable more and who had the firmest handshake at Senior Bowl less.
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Yes, he's done some good things, and yes, the first season under Demeco may have skewed expectations a bit given the success on the offense. But offensively they have struggled to build off of it. The offensive staff and players are reportedly, in large part, the GM's side of the ball.
I want a championship in Houston, I'm just not convinced that Casserio can put together a team to win it all.
My expectations are too high I guess.
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Anyone want to take a wild guess at where Schuplinski went to college?
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NFL factory John Carroll U obviously.
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maca1028 said:

Yes, he's done some good things, and yes, the first season under Demeco may have skewed expectations a bit given the success on the offense. But offensively they have struggled to build off of it. The offensive staff and players are reportedly, in large part, the GM's side of the ball.
I want a championship in Houston, I'm just not convinced that Casserio can put together a team to win it all.
My expectations are too high I guess.


They absolutely have to do better on the offenses side of the ball, but people hating Ceserio is unwarranted…I don't want to go back to the days of Casserly, BOB, or Rick Smith as the GM…
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MelvinUdall said:

maca1028 said:

I really don't like Casserio


Outside of his issues with putting together a good OL through FA/Draft, he is by far our best GM the Texans have ever had…he has found tremendous value in talent in the 3rd round and beyond. Again outside of the OL, he has also found good talent in FA that has worked out…the hate for Ceserio is really odd.

By far the best Texans GM...and yet no better than mediocre. Tells you all you need to know about this franchise's history. Just because he's the best we've ever had doesn't mean he's good. Just because he did a decent job steering us out of the ditch created by O'Brien/Easterby's doesn't mean he can build a championship team. It is past time to move on from Caserio but the brain-dead ownership is still under the spell of his word salad answers and past-Patriots glory.
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caserio gets a lot of hate for his o line drafting but im not sure it's entirely justified. so let's go by his notable picks

kenyon. major bust. but i don't think anyone saw his career playing out how it has. even the most negative comments you'd hear at draft time were basically that he was projected a round too high. he was considered a high floor relatively safe pick that at worst projected as a passable starter, but who also had the physical tools to put his ceiling at elite. he needed a little coaching and hard work but he had an extensive body of work as a successful o lineman in the sec. it didn't work out, but i want my gm targeting interior lineman with high floors along with high ceilings, that have all the physical tools needed, and have lots of tape in college playing well against the best competition. usually those are players that work out. sht happens sometimes

blake fisher. it was ugly out of the gate but he was always a guy that needed time to develop. when he was drafted we thought we had starters that would allow him time. he played significantly better this season. i don't hate the idea of going with a trent brown type at rt again with the plan that fisher works towards starting the following season, and if he earns it maybe he gets the job sooner. regardless im good with him at swing tackle for now. maybe he gets to that ceiling he was drafted for. and for perspective, im pretty sure i saw that he's younger than ersery.

juice scruggs. this is maybe what id consider caserios worst pick as a gm at any position. i hated this pick when he made it and somehow hes been worse than i expected. he was an unathletic, slow, weak at the point of attack interior lineman who was a bad run blocker at penn state and possessed no traits that suggested he could turn it around. it wasn't like he needed a coach to clean something up, he just wasn't strong enough to push defenders around with any consistency. and call me crazy but run blocking is something i'd prefer my interior lineman not be bad at. as a pro, he hasn't just been mediocre, hes been a disaster or he's been hurt. his ceiling has always been serviceable backup and i have no faith he lives up to that even. nick deserves probably more hate than he gets for this pick.

ersery so far seems like a pretty good pick. for a rookie playing left tackle in the nfl, he held his own. wasn't perfect but most importantly he got better throughout the season. it's early but i think he's gonna hold that job for a while. if this team is going to sustain itself as a contender long term, getting high end players out of that late 1st (even if it's traded back) is the simplest way to do it. and that's an area i trust caserio to make the right call more often than not.

are there any other mid to high round lineman he's picked? i can't recall honestly. but if it is basically just these guys, and o line is his worst drafted position group, things could definitely be worse. so much worse. he's been pretty solid across the board otherwise too. cj may not be the answer but it still was refreshing to see him go get his guy. personally i feel like if your team needs a qb, and your gm goes and gets one of the best 2 prospects, i consider it a good pick even if it doesn't work out, bc i want them to make that move every time. idk how much demeco is involved in drafting on that side of the ball, but whoever is responsible, the defensive drafting has been masterful. tank was a good pick before injury, if higgins and noel work out i don't see how you can say caserio doesn't deserve to be the gm. he's also managed the cap well for having a team that's also going for it, free agency has been pretty good too imo. i know im in the minority but i like him in that role and think it's a mistake to move on based on what we've seen from him so far

this team has had some awful gms, but my opinion on caserio isn't based on him just being better than those clowns. that said, i still have nightmares of taking your franchise player and rather than get him help, you burn a 4th rounder on dave ragone. then a few short years later when both guys have proven to suck, you make the bold decision to pass on a free falling aaron rodgers so you can draft travis johnson. charley was so god awful that we were thrilled to have the next guy draft 12 year old amobi okoye in his quest to build the least productive group of high draft picks ever assembled on one defense just because he wasn't charley casserly.
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"I still have nightmares of taking your franchise player and rather than get him help, you burn a 4th rounder on dave ragone."

To be fair, Charley Casserly did not burn a 4th round pick on Dave Ragone. It was a 3rd rounder.
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https://heavy.com/sports/nfl/houston-texans/caserio-trade-dolphins-achane-salary-cap-contract/


Oh, no clue who the site is, but it popped up in my feed.

We get Achane

Dolphins get
  • 2026 third-round pick
  • 2027 conditional third-round pick (becomes second with 1,000 rushing yards in 2026)

Even taking the A&M homer out of me, I would be good with this
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IrishAg said:

https://heavy.com/sports/nfl/houston-texans/caserio-trade-dolphins-achane-salary-cap-contract/


Oh, no clue who the site is, but it popped up in my feed.

We get Achane

Dolphins get
  • 2026 third-round pick
  • 2027 conditional third-round pick (becomes second with 1,000 rushing yards in 2026)

Even taking the A&M homer out of me, I would be good with this


That's a steal! You do that in a heartbeat if available.
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That would be a good deal for both teams.
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I'm always a little surprised at just how much hate both Caserio and Stroud get on this thread.

Caserio has done a poor job of drafting offensive linemen and I, too, don't like that every coach or front office guy he brings in seems to be either a former Patriot or John Carroll alumnus or both. It's weird. I wish he was more hands-off...seems to micromanage the coaches, especially on the offensive side of the ball. However, he generally makes smart moves when it comes to personnel and salary cap and if you want to gripe about the offensive line, you also have to give him credit for putting together arguably the best defense in the game. I love his draft strategy of being flexible and moving around to target your needs and get value. I hate waiting patiently just to see all of the guys you could have used get drafted right in front of you. The good outweighs the bad with Caserio.

Someone accused me of acting like Stroud's agent earlier just because I said we should pick up his fifth year option and see what we have in him this year before throwing in the towel. He has regressed over the past two years, for sure, but all of the physical skills are there to be an elite passer. Letting JJ go and promoting Schuplinski is a gamble, but maybe the new coach will get the most out of him. Either way, you have too much invested in Stroud to give up on him now. This season should absolutely be a referendum on whether or not Stroud is your QB going forward. I think he will have a rebound season and play pretty well. If not, you can start looking at Plan B.

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Now that I think about it, this is a very plausible scenario. Miami is in full rebuild mode and you don't want to deal with a new contract for a great RB during that, plus a third rounder this year and, if he does Achane things, a 2nd next year is good ammo, especially with next year shaping up to be a top QB draft.

This would allow us to get a back that is a proven #1 who is also a multi tool player that the Rams style offense loves. Rookie contract is up after this year, but just take the Mixon money and move it into an extension and it really doesn't hurt us.
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Snake Jazz said:

I'm always a little surprised at just how much hate both Caserio and Stroud get on this thread.

Caserio has done a poor job of drafting offensive linemen and I, too, don't like that every coach or front office guy he brings in seems to be either a former Patriot or John Carroll alumnus or both. It's weird. I wish he was more hands-off...seems to micromanage the coaches, especially on the offensive side of the ball. However, he generally makes smart moves when it comes to personnel and salary cap and if you want to gripe about the offensive line, you also have to give him credit for putting together arguably the best defense in the game. I love his draft strategy of being flexible and moving around to target your needs and get value. I hate waiting patiently just to see all of the guys you could have used get drafted right in front of you. The good outweighs the bad with Caserio.

Someone accused me of acting like Stroud's agent earlier just because I said we should pick up his fifth year option and see what we have in him this year before throwing in the towel. He has regressed over the past two years, for sure, but all of the physical skills are there to be an elite passer. Letting JJ go and promoting Schuplinski is a gamble, but maybe the new coach will get the most out of him. Either way, you have too much invested in Stroud to give up on him now. This season should absolutely be a referendum on whether or not Stroud is your QB going forward. I think he will have a rebound season and play pretty well. If not, you can start looking at Plan B.


Nice. The old sunk cost fallacy. Haven't seen that one in a bit.

Stroud gets hate because he single handedly lost us a playoff game with our best chance to get to Super Bowl. Because he has regressed every year. Because he doesn't appear to have any light at the end of the tunnel (unless it's a train coming to run him over). His fifth year option is going to be $40m+. We don't need to pick that up for him to play for us this year. He's playing for his NFL career at this point, why give him a safety net.

And if we're being honest, people are extra hating on stroud because his faults down the stretch were basically a carbon copy of how Marcel lost the Aggies our playoff game. Amazing defenses wasted by poor QB play.

I like Caserio overall though. No one is going to be perfect but he's been very good. Much more than "average". I don't get the QB coach promotion but I 100% get not staying with Jerrod when the position he coaches cost us our chance at a Super Bowl.
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I think some of the nuance in this discussion gets lost on the message board. Caserio and Demeco are both good at their jobs. They have done a really good jobs in their time in Houston. They both also have some shortcomings that need to be addressed to get to the level we all want.

Are they capable of self evaluating and making the right changes to get there? I am worried they are not capable of fixing the offense enough to be a true contender in this window. The defense probably has another year or two at this level before regression and roster turnover make an impact. I just want to take advantage of the opportunity we have.

Excited to be proven wrong and looking forward to all of the offseason roster activity.
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Doesn't matter if Stroud has all the physical ability in the world if he doesn't have the mental mindset to succeed. NFL is more mental than physical.
I know a lot about a little, and a little about a lot.
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Buck Compton said:

Snake Jazz said:

I'm always a little surprised at just how much hate both Caserio and Stroud get on this thread.

Caserio has done a poor job of drafting offensive linemen and I, too, don't like that every coach or front office guy he brings in seems to be either a former Patriot or John Carroll alumnus or both. It's weird. I wish he was more hands-off...seems to micromanage the coaches, especially on the offensive side of the ball. However, he generally makes smart moves when it comes to personnel and salary cap and if you want to gripe about the offensive line, you also have to give him credit for putting together arguably the best defense in the game. I love his draft strategy of being flexible and moving around to target your needs and get value. I hate waiting patiently just to see all of the guys you could have used get drafted right in front of you. The good outweighs the bad with Caserio.

Someone accused me of acting like Stroud's agent earlier just because I said we should pick up his fifth year option and see what we have in him this year before throwing in the towel. He has regressed over the past two years, for sure, but all of the physical skills are there to be an elite passer. Letting JJ go and promoting Schuplinski is a gamble, but maybe the new coach will get the most out of him. Either way, you have too much invested in Stroud to give up on him now. This season should absolutely be a referendum on whether or not Stroud is your QB going forward. I think he will have a rebound season and play pretty well. If not, you can start looking at Plan B.



Nice. The old sunk cost fallacy. Haven't seen that one in a bit.

Stroud gets hate because he single handedly lost us a playoff game with our best chance to get to Super Bowl. Because he has regressed every year. Because he doesn't appear to have any light at the end of the tunnel (unless it's a train coming to run him over). His fifth year option is going to be $40m+. We don't need to pick that up for him to play for us this year. He's playing for his NFL career at this point, why give him a safety net.

And if we're being honest, people are extra hating on stroud because his faults down the stretch were basically a carbon copy of how Marcel lost the Aggies our playoff game. Amazing defenses wasted by poor QB play.

I like Caserio overall though. No one is going to be perfect but he's been very good. Much more than "average". I don't get the QB coach promotion but I 100% get not staying with Jerrod when the position he coaches cost us our chance at a Super Bowl.

The fifth year option is projected to be 27 million. Still a lot, but not 40. You can argue that they shouldn't pick it up, but if he plays well you're going to cost yourself money and cap room when you sign him to an extension. I know that is a moot point to the "Davis Mills would have taken us to the Super Bowl" crowd, but unless you are completely sour on Stroud, I think you pick up the option. In reality, if you don't pick up that option, David Mulugheta is probably already planning Stroud's exit. This entire year will be drama with the narrative being the Texans don't trust Stroud.

I agree that with both the Texan and Aggie seasons ending because of crappy QB play, we're probably a little more sensitive about Stroud. Both teams could have gone much further if our QBs had just not sucked completely.
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Snake Jazz said:

I'm always a little surprised at just how much hate both Caserio and Stroud get on this thread.



To be fair, 95% of that hate is from redag06
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$27 does change the calculus. I wouldn't be mad at that from Caserio if he feels good about the cap situation. $15.7 for WAJ is a steal.

I assumed it would be the $40m number because of his pro bowl, but he must have been an alternate.

https://overthecap.com/fifth-year-option-projections

Quote:

Basic: Players who do not meet any of the requirements below will be eligible for a fifth year base salary calculated from the average of the 3rd to 25th highest salaries at their position over the past five seasons.

Playtime: These players will be eligible for a fifth year base salary calculated from the average of the 3rd to 20th highest salaries at their position over the past five seasons, provided that their snap counts over their first three seasons meet one of the following three criteria: 75% or greater in two of their first three seasons an average of 75% or greater over all three seasons 50% or greater over all three seasons

One Pro Bowl: Players who are named to exactly one Pro Bowl on the original ballot (not as an alternate) will be eligible for a fifth year base salary equal to the transition tender at their position.

Multiple Pro Bowls: Players who are named to two or three Pro Bowls on the original ballot (not as an alternate) will be eligible for a fifth year base salary equal to the franchise tender at their position.

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Buck Compton said:

$27 does change the calculus. I wouldn't be mad at that from Caserio if he feels good about the cap situation. $15.7 for WAJ is a steal.

I assumed it would be the $40m number because of his pro bowl, but he must have been an alternate.

https://overthecap.com/fifth-year-option-projections

Quote:

Basic: Players who do not meet any of the requirements below will be eligible for a fifth year base salary calculated from the average of the 3rd to 25th highest salaries at their position over the past five seasons.

Playtime: These players will be eligible for a fifth year base salary calculated from the average of the 3rd to 20th highest salaries at their position over the past five seasons, provided that their snap counts over their first three seasons meet one of the following three criteria: 75% or greater in two of their first three seasons an average of 75% or greater over all three seasons 50% or greater over all three seasons

One Pro Bowl: Players who are named to exactly one Pro Bowl on the original ballot (not as an alternate) will be eligible for a fifth year base salary equal to the transition tender at their position.

Multiple Pro Bowls: Players who are named to two or three Pro Bowls on the original ballot (not as an alternate) will be eligible for a fifth year base salary equal to the franchise tender at their position.



If I'm wrong and it ends up being 40+, then I see your point and I might be tempted to agree with you.
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Yoda said:

"I still have nightmares of taking your franchise player and rather than get him help, you burn a 4th rounder on dave ragone."

To be fair, Charley Casserly did not burn a 4th round pick on Dave Ragone. It was a 3rd rounder.


it's probably a sign it's not healthy for me to be a fan of a particular sports team when my brain has to alter memories in order to protect me from the psychological fallout of having to process what actually happened. the texans could have held a radio contest that allowed winning fans to handle personnel decisions and i can't see it being worse than charley. i was trying to remember any draft picks he made during his tenure that really turned out to be good players. so far my list is just dunta robinson and dominick davis/williams. im sure he must have had at least a couple more but when fans who weren't around for that era talk about the franchise being awful, they should be forced to clockwork orange watch every draft, game, and press conference of the first 4 years. it never really hit me just how bad it was until kubiak and schaub came in and we got to see a texans qb throw between the hash marks on purpose and not to the other team and it was such a foreign feeling, almost like it was a shock to be reminded a qb can even do that. for so long the only way you saw a texans qb complete a long pass was if the rb ran a long way after catching a dump off
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dixie whiskey said:

Yoda said:

"I still have nightmares of taking your franchise player and rather than get him help, you burn a 4th rounder on dave ragone."

To be fair, Charley Casserly did not burn a 4th round pick on Dave Ragone. It was a 3rd rounder.


it's probably a sign it's not healthy for me to be a fan of a particular sports team when my brain has to alter memories in order to protect me from the psychological fallout of having to process what actually happened. the texans could have held a radio contest that allowed winning fans to handle personnel decisions and i can't see it being worse than charley. i was trying to remember any draft picks he made during his tenure that really turned out to be good players. so far my list is just dunta robinson and dominick davis/williams. im sure he must have had at least a couple more but when fans who weren't around for that era talk about the franchise being awful, they should be forced to clockwork orange watch every draft, game, and press conference of the first 4 years. it never really hit me just how bad it was until kubiak and schaub came in and we got to see a texans qb throw between the hash marks on purpose and not to the other team and it was such a foreign feeling, almost like it was a shock to be reminded a qb can even do that. for so long the only way you saw a texans qb complete a long pass was if the rb ran a long way after catching a dump off

Andre Johnson. Demeco Ryans, Mario Williams, Owen Daniels...
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Texan_Aggie said:

dixie whiskey said:

Yoda said:

"I still have nightmares of taking your franchise player and rather than get him help, you burn a 4th rounder on dave ragone."

To be fair, Charley Casserly did not burn a 4th round pick on Dave Ragone. It was a 3rd rounder.


it's probably a sign it's not healthy for me to be a fan of a particular sports team when my brain has to alter memories in order to protect me from the psychological fallout of having to process what actually happened. the texans could have held a radio contest that allowed winning fans to handle personnel decisions and i can't see it being worse than charley. i was trying to remember any draft picks he made during his tenure that really turned out to be good players. so far my list is just dunta robinson and dominick davis/williams. im sure he must have had at least a couple more but when fans who weren't around for that era talk about the franchise being awful, they should be forced to clockwork orange watch every draft, game, and press conference of the first 4 years. it never really hit me just how bad it was until kubiak and schaub came in and we got to see a texans qb throw between the hash marks on purpose and not to the other team and it was such a foreign feeling, almost like it was a shock to be reminded a qb can even do that. for so long the only way you saw a texans qb complete a long pass was if the rb ran a long way after catching a dump off

Andre Johnson. Demeco Ryans, Mario Williams, Owen Daniels...


While that is accurate, the problem is he wasn't great in later rounds…good teams are good during round 2-6, granted the later rounds are a crapshoot, but if you are able to hit in rounds 3 and 4, then that makes your team and the cap so much better.
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IrishAg said:

https://heavy.com/sports/nfl/houston-texans/caserio-trade-dolphins-achane-salary-cap-contract/


Oh, no clue who the site is, but it popped up in my feed.

We get Achane

Dolphins get
  • 2026 third-round pick
  • 2027 conditional third-round pick (becomes second with 1,000 rushing yards in 2026)

Even taking the A&M homer out of me, I would be good with this

I'd dislike Casserio a little less if he pulled of a deal like that.
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2 utterly ridiculous athletes at TE. Time to take one
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mAgnoliAg said:

2 utterly ridiculous athletes at TE. Time to take one

Sadiq will probably be long gone after his combine performance. I'd gladly take Stowers too though.
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So how do we feel about this…
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But why?
Buck Compton
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That makes absolutely no sense to me… maybe he was saying he was going to hold out without a contract like that (which I wouldn't give him)?

A fifth round pick is essentially garbage for our 1-2 year window. You aren't getting a starter level there.
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