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Hill Country Threatened by Massive Power Line Project

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Reload84
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Landowners and hunters in the Hill Country need to get up to speed on a project to build one of the state's first high-capacity electric transmission lines. The San Antonio utility company, CPS Energy, and Wall Street darling AEP Texas are proposing routes that would slice through the Hill Country and Edwards Plateau Regions.

Some of the proposed routes would cross many of the hills and rivers in this region, including the Nueces, Devils, Frio and Media Rivers. The huge towers and powerlines would run from San Antonio to Ft. Stockton. Landowner groups throughout the region are mobilizing to encourage these companies to look at alternate routes that would protect this region.

Will these companies sacrifice one of the most beautiful parts of our state for profits? The companies say the project is to support increased demands in the Permian Basin because of growth and the need for data centers. Interesting, why not build a gas-powered generating station in the one of the most oil & gas rich areas of our country to supply their power needs?

Check out this update from one of the landowner groups for more details and make sure other property owners know about this project. https://mailchi.mp/banderacanyonlandsalliance/bca-action-alert-urgent-submit-powerline-concerns-comments-by-september-3rd?e=66e4c0cdfa
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Guess there is always the "don't get power" option?
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This is another standard eminent domain BS thing.

For all affected landowners, just be aware that there is no 'changing' the path. The path will be selected based on cost so make sure all affected are focusing their efforts on getting what they are owed rather than pissing away money trying to 'change' the path. The open houses, meetings, groups, etc have no other purpose than "just letting yall know what is going to be happening". These are not "Change our mind" booths. Again, lawyer up and just focus on getting the most you can when the path is finalized. I am highly opposed to eminent domain. But, it is what it is.

Here is another one going through Burnet, San Saba, Mcculloch, Menard, and Schleicher Counties. Just absolutely determined to destroy that last sections of the state that don't look like absolute *****

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Hoyt Ag
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Quote:

Interesting, why not build a gas-powered generating station in the one of the most oil & gas rich areas of our country to supply their power needs?

Im guessing stringing lines is faster than building a power plant. Lead time on a CT is getting longer by the day.
Gunny456
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They could care less what it does to the land and views …..and to state further….the people who haven't worked to own the land and are not affected by it could care less as well.
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I'll take a power line over windmills any day.
Gunny456
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We fought a large power transmission line through the area. Our route was the straightest and less costly route.
The landowners on that route banded together with other landowners on other routes and succeeded in having it go down an already existing corridor with a lot less damage.
It can be done if you organize and stay diligent. Everybody told us we would never get it changed.
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Glad it worked out for you. That's the exception and not the rule and it's quite rare, like very rare. If you happen to be in an affluent section with a ton of folks with deep pockets then you might have some pull but ultimately, PUC makes the decision and its always cost.

The OP link is not through deep-pocket hill country money. Large ranches here will be surrounded with folks that do not have the money or the means to fight it.

We also just went through this and our band of folks totaling about 5,000 acres did not sway PUC in any way. The route selected was the shortest and least costly and unfortunately everyone in the group lost.
Gunny456
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The power lines carry the power from the windmills….one is fodder for the other.
Gunny456
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It was quite a learning experience….and makes you realize you just "think" you own your land.
Gunny456
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Sorry to hear that Brazos. We had already decided to sell out if it came through us. There would not have been a single spot on our ranch that we would not see the monstrosities. It would have looked like we built our house purposely to look right at it from our back porch.
So much for the "million dollar views" of our hill country right?
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Having gone through a 4 year construction project, includign 2.5 years of litigation, involving CPS...they suck.
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Reload84 said:



Will these companies sacrifice one of the most beautiful parts of our state for profits?


lol...you know the answer to this before you even ask.
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Macarthur said:

Reload84 said:



Will these companies sacrifice one of the most beautiful parts of our state for profits?


lol...you know the answer to this before you even ask.

I was about to post the exact same thing.
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I can't stop it.

Try as I might, I have not been able to stop any level of progress. 6 years ago, I listened to owners of 200-2,000 acre tracts say "my family has been here for 6 generations, we'll never sell this ranch". Many of those are currently being cut into .2 acre lot subdivisions. Nothing to do but accept it and leave.

I've just accepted the fact that the country life that we know and love is going to be lost along with all of her natural resources and there is nothing to be done about it short of closing the state and implementing a sterilization program and I don't think that's going to be a winning campaign platform.
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LCRA uglied up a stretch of I-10 between Comfort and Kerrville 12-13 years ago.

Hate to hear more is on the way.
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We are up against similar with a transmission line from near Odessa to near the Comanche Peak nuke power plant and Glen Rose. It is proposed to cross the best, most scenic part of our family ranch south of Abilene. We've had it since 1939. Duke Energy or someone brought one line through 20 years ago or more. Instead of cutting the ranch in half, my uncles somehow got them to follow the perimeter / property lines. It's massive. Carries the wind turbine energy from Sweetwater. South towards Austin. We've already given blood and now they are back to take more. This new line will be twice as big. Largest transmission line every built in Texas. Spoke with an attorney that specializes in this stuff and he said it's over a $100k legal bill to start....and no guarantees after that. We don't have that kind of money. They have 2 more corridors proposed but they have a lot of rich people on them. So bet they end up on ours. Best case is they parallel the existing line on our property line. Hopefully for least amount of impact. A real kick in the nuts. Now twice.
Gunny456
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Damn man. Really feel for you. All so they can light up another mall, bar or strip center so thugs don't steal them blind.
Worst part is it makes you feel so damn helpless. I guess that's how our Native Americans must have felt.
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Yes sir. Always well said.
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This is the same project I posted about a while back.

While I am sympathetic to individual Landowners plight. My own brother lives in Fredericksburg, family came from Blanco etc....It is funny everything there is a project proposed for literally anything, including water treatment plants, we have to "protect the most beautiful part of the state" gets trotted out.

Yes, I understand this stuff is a pain, but entire regions of the state can't be exempted from it becuase they are believed to be more asthetically pleasing by some.

All natural gas pipelines can't run south of San Antonio. Powerlines, although I do agree they are ugly, are better than no electricity and water treatment plant (Blanco/Blanco river) either has to be updated once in a while, or no water.

The King Ranch has Transmission lines & Natural Gas Pipelines, so does the O'Connor so does the Kennedy, so does Dolph Briscoe. So, saying that "deep pockets" will keep this away, is not true.
https://texags.com/forums/34/topics/3535239/replies/69920657
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Sims said:

Having gone through a 4 year construction project, includign 2.5 years of litigation, involving CPS...they suck massive donkey dangle.

Fixed it for us.
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An Indian burial ground area will change their route…

oldag941
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I hear you. My comments were more small-scale. Our ranch is not small but the vast majority is flat, mesquite and pasture. We have a small portion of those flat-top mesa mountains with cedar and juniper. Prettiest part of the ranch and happens to be where our deer feeders / blinds are and only stock tank that doesn't have red water. That's where they are proposing to go.

And the alternative doesn't mean much to us. We don't get any benefit from the project other than eventually some cash. No additional electricity or water. We are basically fly-over.

We will have some massive flashing red lights to watch at night rather than the stars. Along with constant "hum" along the alignment.
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I'm searching for newts from other places to transport
Gunny456
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That really sucks big time.
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Only going to be more and more of this progress. Our states population is expected to double by 2050. That's hard to even imagine as crowded as it is now.
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They just ran a huge gas pipeline through the Hill Country a few years ago. Only winners in these deals are the lawyers.
Gunny456
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And folks selling the gas.
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I've had to fight roads twice and power lines once. It sucks! I feel for those involved. All in all those cost me around 20k in checks to lawyers to help fight these just because my property was on one of the proposed routes.
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We have family land on that proposed line in Runnels county. Only 200 acres

I don't live there but our neighbor went to the meeting to protest the plan. I fear it won't matter.

Not sure why we are running power from Odesa to glen rose. Just build more gas power plants. Has to be cheaper than 600miles of transmission
TexAgs: as long as we have each other, we will never run out of problems.
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oldag941 said:

I hear you. My comments were more small-scale. Our ranch is not small but the vast majority is flat, mesquite and pasture. We have a small portion of those flat-top mesa mountains with cedar and juniper. Prettiest part of the ranch and happens to be where our deer feeders / blinds are and only stock tank that doesn't have red water. That's where they are proposing to go.

And the alternative doesn't mean much to us. We don't get any benefit from the project other than eventually some cash. No additional electricity or water. We are basically fly-over.

We will have some massive flashing red lights to watch at night rather than the stars. Along with constant "hum" along the alignment.

I get it. Let me give you some help. Full disclosure, I am currently working on a powerline project in another part of the state and there are strong indications that I may be working on the one that you are concerned with. However, I am at least a year out from that at this point and I have no idea what region I would be in. So I do not feel that there is a conflict here.

If you decide to fight this, that is your right. However, there is a right way and a wrong way to do anything.

Your US Congressman (because this is Federally Regulated) Your State Rep & State Senator are good places to start. Beware of anyone that might be running for these offices later because they will use them to grandstand. Reasonable conversations with people, or even groups in good faith, are your friends. Karens, Old Hippies still mad that the revolution didn't go their way, City Come to Country, and Californians that have been here since covid, are not your friends here. Don't ask me how I know.

The Group that you posted above may, or may not be your friend as well. Tiime will tell but do not be spot welded to them.

I would be looking for an attorney that has handled Real Estate transactions before. To be clear, the Brother in Law that does divorce work and takes criminal cases, is not your attorney. SOME oil and gas attorneys will also have experience with Right Of Way of this nature, but agree on the fee up front. MOST of the stipulations that you might/could/possibly want to pay him to put into the Easement, are already in there to begin with.
(An example of this is would be that the standard Easement, even before negotiations, will hold the landowner harmless to any injury that befalls a construction worker etc. I have seen Landowners insist on another paragraph being put in stating the exact same thing. Don't waste your time/money doing this) There are some good recommendations by others on here that have hired good lawyers, I would look here on the OB, not the community meeting for a lawyer.

Know that AEP, or whomever, will be offering above appraisal value for the property for the Easement. (At least the ones I have seen now in several states offer above appraisal value) However, you can still negotiate for more money.
BUT, keep in mind that appraisal value and perceived value are two entirely different things. Some guy is going to mention how some other property in some other area of the county sold for a gazzaillion dollars last year. He will not be comparing apples to apples, I promise you.

An appointed commissioner court (this is NOT the same as your county commissioners court) can award some astronomical numbers, ($30,000 per acre as an example) and the company will pay that amount. BUT, they will then immediately appeal that to a real court who will then use the appraisal value, not what you were initially offered. Then you are liable to pay back to the company anything over what the real court awarded.

If you have a legitimate environmentally senstive area (water fall, endangered trees etc) that needs to be brought up to your attorney and the Right Of Way Agent that contacts you, immediately. Do not ignore the Right Of Way Agent that tries to contact you. Doing so only hurts you and curtails the amount of time that you will have to negotiate.

There are a lot of myths about not allowing them on your property/not allowing survey etc out there that I can go into one on one if you want to PM me. However, anyone telling people to not respond to a contact attempt does not know what they are talking about. Not even a little bit.

There will be an environmental survey done, possibly more that one, of the Easement area. NOT of your entire ranch. So a spring on the opposite side of the place doesnt count. They are only concerned with whats in the ROW. There will also be an archaeological survey done for anything that might be culturally sensitive. However, in an area with almost no top soil to speak of, that requires rock saws to cut into the ground, please do not start with the "indian burrial ground" nonsense. This does not work. Seen it. City come to country claimed that a mound on his place was an "indian burrial ground" what it really was, was where the rocks/dirt were piled up when they built the county road adjacent to his place, decades before he bought it.

The Right of Way Agent gets paid the same amount, whether you make a million dollars or $100.00. There is no commission for what they pay out to you. Or, if there is, I've never seen it and I've been around the block a time or two on this.

Final note & sorry for the length of all of this. You having an attorney actually helps me in my job, believe it or not. One, it cuts out the emotion. Two, they are going to tell you pretty much everything I tell the landowner. However, get all of the contact information you can, phone/email etc from whatever Landman/Right Of Way Agent contacts you.
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Macarthur said:

Reload84 said:



Will these companies sacrifice one of the most beautiful parts of our state for profits?


lol...you know the answer to this before you even ask.

It was a rhetorical Question.
Gunny456
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We went through this on our ranch.
All good info.
I will just add that they will only want, and will tell you that they will do an "Environmental Assessment". This is basic as hell and means didly and is quick to do. They don't want to waste time. They can apply for and will get " Incidental Take Permits" if any endangered plant or animal species are found…as they have the blessings of the feds on the project.
Try to demand an " Environmental Impact Study". As it's a lot more involved and takes much longer than the joke assessment.
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Gunny456 said:

We went through this on our ranch.
All good info.
I will just add that they will only want, and will tell you that they will do an "Environmental Assessment". This is basic as hell and means didly and is quick to do. They don't want to waste time. They can apply for and will get " Incidental Take Permits" if any endangered plant or animal species are found…as they have the blessings of the feds on the project.
Try to demand an " Environmental Impact Study". As it's a lot more involved and takes much longer than the joke assessment.

With respect, I do have to take issue with part of this. I have seen Environmental have to go back to the same area mutliple times, take soil samples etc. Some of them can be painfully slow, I know because I had to be out there while they were on the property.

It is true that other ones are a fairly easy walk through, but this depends greatly on the terrain/environment you are in etc. A wetlands is going to take some time. Some guys hay field, not so much.

There will already be an Environmental Impact Study done before this project is 100% approved. The company will pay for survey on the Easement area, but not another EIS.
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My point was there is a large difference between an Environmental Assessment vs Environmental Impact Study…..We hired private biologists that discovered much more that was not disclosed in the EA and probably would have been if a true EIS had been done initially.
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