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Hill Country Threatened by Massive Power Line Project

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Kenneth_2003 said:

Late to the thread...
Look at how the Texans Against High Speed Rail have joined together in a united front to stand up to the proposed HSR project that aims to connect Houston and Dallas. For those unaware, this project has been lingering for over 15 years now.

Individual land owners cannot fight this, but together you can. In the case of the HSR project they royally pissed off a well to do land owner that also owns his own law firm. When he showed up to one of the very early landowner meetings, they almost laughed when they pointed out the tracks would roll right through, not just his ranch, but his living room. Wrong guy to piss off. It's now his firm's mission to stop it and he's offering free representation to any landowners that choose to join the fight.

This is 100% correct.

As long as you have a big shot high tootin' deep pocketed lawyer that is impacted and will work for free to save his own place, you can ride the coat tails and get traction. For the other 99% of the situation, you're just ****ed.

Whenever you guys buy ranches, make sure they butt up to national parks, forests, or Jim Adler.
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bmfvet said:

F that man. I worked for over 20 years busting my ass with the dream to someday own my own ranch. Been seriously looking at places for 5 years and finally find the one. Close on it and 7 months later get a packet in the mail. Go to the meeting a week ago and the proposed route goes right through the middle of the ranch, right by the house, and through the only turkey roost on the ranch. I have every right to be pissed. This is to send power out to west Texas for data centers, not to send power to San Antonio or Austin. Why the eff can't they build NG power plants with a ready supply out there to power those plants?

Oh, trust me, I completely understand.

I'd probably be less than thrilled too if I were to be completely honest with myself. But I also understand that everything changes, all of the time and as long as we keep importing people in the state - the landscape is going to constantly change and evolve.

But the biggest gripe is the mentality that the hill country is some sacred cow that cannot be touched but the rest of the state is fair game because it isn't the hill country. Its the "sky is falling" fear mongering language used in the OP's post and rattler's posts and the entire "those city folks don't care !!!!" BS mentality. It is the "F that guy over there!" but the second that guy over there says "F you!" you get all kinds of butthurt mentality that is extremely pervasive on this board.

We also live in a state where oil, gas power - all are the lifeblood of our economy. Just about every single person here, there and everywhere else in the state benefits from the fact that it is our economic backbone. You can't sit around and enjoy the fruits of the economic tree while *****ing and moaning about the fact that the tree is growing somewhere inconvenient to you as well. And no damned part of the state is somehow exempt from the evolution we are living through, even the "sacred"hill country.

I'd rather see a powerline ROW or pipeline ROW built than see another section of land chopped up into the next master planned community or sold off in small blocks and high fenced like prison cells so somebody can sell day hunts at stupid high prices. Or a road go in where no road was before, etc. Which is what is happening to that sacred cow hill country every single day and has far, far, far more of a negative impact than anything else.

I suppose I also have a bit of a different perspective considering I grew up where industry was the lifeblood of the community and also had a high voltage transmission line run about 100 yards behind the house I grew up in. We used the ish out of that ROW for all things you can imagine too from hunting to doing stupid things in trucks as a teenager, etc. Never once did it pose some kind of problem and never once did anybody I know sit around and cry about the view. Different times and different types of people I suppose.

If the landowners can fight it and kill the project - hey, bravo and more power to them. If they only manage to push the project onto their neighbor's land and not theirs - kind of a dick move, but understandable.
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As someone that they are Emminent Domain twice on our same property, I'd argue that's not NIMBY. Just asking to spread the impact between projects rather than hammer the same people you did last time.
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Never seen anything like this I bet. Largest ever designed to be built in Texas. 765kV. The flashing lights at night and constant humm of the line takes it to a whole different level. Just saying it's not apples to apples with a typical transmission line in someone's backyard.
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oldag941 said:

The flashing lights at night and constant humm of the line takes it to a whole different level.

Honestly, I think you'll live. Lots of Texans live with it.

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Yep. They'll probably bring those in next. They've hit us with this once, found us a second time and the wind turbines are next. We pushed back on turbines 30 years ago and won. But learning it's a won battle and not a won war.
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Yep. Part of those " million dollar views" you see pictures of in the real estate magazines selling homes and land in the hill country.
I would definitely pay more per acre hands down to see transmission lines and flashing lights….in fact having them actually on your property has got to raise the value of the land…,, much more desirable than trees. In fact that would be a perfect view from your back porch. Talk about scenic!
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schmellba99 said:

Rattler12 said:

schmellba99 said:

Rattler12 said:

Yall want to see a butchered up area that the power lines can't hold a candle to pull up the Eagle Ford oil and gas area on google maps and look at what "progress" has done to mother nature in those counties.....rape the countryside to benefit the masses in the cities...

And more of the drama llama language.

You are conveniently leaving out that the landowners of the countryside are the ones benefitting the most on a singular level. Those cities don't get the royalties - which are absolutely substantial - that the landowners are getting.

There is a reason that landowners who were barely scraping by 30-40 years ago now have high fence ranches complete with on staff biologists and feed bills that run 6 and 7 figures a year. Oil and gas money pays for their secondary hobby income of high fenced hunting or high end leasing the land to corporations for hunting.



No, I got your point. Or attempt at one anyway. It's just a dumb point that ignores entirely the other half of the picture.

But you do you.

So you need/want/like the power lines that run through the property that's not yours that you have a hunting lease on because well......it makes it easier for you to get to and from your blind etc......got it.
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oldag941 said:

Never seen anything like this I bet. Largest ever designed to be built in Texas. 765kV. The flashing lights at night and constant humm of the line takes it to a whole different level. Just saying it's not apples to apples with a typical transmission line in someone's backyard.


As I understand it, and full disclosure I do not yet know this for a fact, but I THINK the structures for that project will not be exponentially larger than the ones that currently exist. I believe its because of better technology etc.

If the current ones are 500ft high, the new ones are not going to be 1000ft....so to speak. Again, that is as I currently understand it/have been told. We will see.
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This is what's on our property now:

Gunny456
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Yes sir. Every time we have one these threads on the OB the landowners, no matter if they are in the hill country, piney woods, central Texas woods, etc etc, are vilified for standing up to defend the land they have bought, paid for, made sacrifices for, gone in debt for, improved, and worked their butts off to have….buy folks that either don't own land or who make money off the projects.
Hard to understand the intense criticism from people against people trying to stand up to save their land.
Sad to say that most of it comes from simple petty jealousy.
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There's several different routes it may take, so it's not an absolute that it will take the route through my place. If it does, it won't help with access to any part of the ranch unless they build a bridge across the creek. The current road system is great and the juniper has already been cleared from that part of the ranch.
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People using the King Ranch as an example are out of line here. While heritage is important, it is truly an income generator. Compare that to the poster here along with others that busted their asses to purchase a property for their personal enjoyment and that of their children. Not even in the same ballpark as far as the damages.

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Also, I find it extremely odd the backlash on an Outdoors forum towards folks trying to conserve Texas lands. I don't want wind turbines off the Texas coast even though I don't live there or frequent the area. If anything, you'd think we'd band together to stop data centers or battery energy storage from ruining our resources (yes, even in west Texas). Such a domino effect on various regions of our state.
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Canyon99 said:

People using the King Ranch as an example are out of line here. While heritage is important, it is truly an income generator. Compare that to the poster here along with others that busted their asses to purchase a property for their personal enjoyment and that of their children. Not even in the same ballpark as far as the damages.



This! With nearly a million acres, I could probably easily look past the lines I'd only see if I went half a day to find them.

When you've got less than a few hundred acres these will become the new focus of your property.
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Are those 138kv?
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Canyon99 said:

People using the King Ranch as an example are out of line here. While heritage is important, it is truly an income generator. Compare that to the poster here along with others that busted their asses to purchase a property for their personal enjoyment and that of their children. Not even in the same ballpark as far as the damages.



Respectfully, since I'm that "people" that you are referring to, you are incorrect.

You would be amazed at how many times I've been approached by small landowners in multiple states, that would approach me asking if the project could come onto their property because they wanted the money.

I am not talking about the King/Kennedy here, I'm talking about less than 1000 acre landowners that wanted the "free money". Its not every single landowner, obviously. But I promise you, I typically have more than one per project approach me. Most of them don't want word to get out & they ask me not to tell it publicly, but powerlines, pipelines and yes, the HSR project, I was approached about this. Including the one I'm on now.

I also get asked if the project needs a laydown yard, water access to the easement etc as a means to create revenue and this is not the King Ranch asking.
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Quote:

Just build more gas power plants.
Better yet, small nuclear is the wave of the future.

[link]https://www.gatesnotes.com/wyoming-terrapower-groundbreaking[/link]

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BoerneGator said:

Quote:

Just build more gas power plants.

Better yet, small nuclear is the wave of the future.

[link]https://www.gatesnotes.com/wyoming-terrapower-groundbreaking[/link]

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This.
Reload84
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Thanks for the good discussion here as many of us hard working folks want to protect our property in the Hill Country.

Very interested to learn about the second 765kv line in Bell County running west. Interesting report on that project with one legislator who voted to approve the legislation (HB 5066) in 2023 that created this mess. Now he's feeling the blowback and says that even though he voted for it he did not know it would impact his constituents.

https://www.kcentv.com/article/news/local/bell-county/controversy-proposed-200-mile-transmission-line-central-texas/500-ecd2636f-ac7c-4dd6-a008-58d674022497

Sound familiar--vote for it now and then find out later what it actually does!

Thinking we should reach out to all our legislators and officials and ask them if they would still vote to approve this given the impact on their voters. Can you spell Accountability?

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Rattler12 said:

Yall want to see a butchered up area that the power lines can't hold a candle to pull up the Eagle Ford oil and gas area on google maps and look at what "progress" has done to mother nature in those counties.....rape the countryside to benefit the masses in the cities...


Not even close to the same argument. The only similarity is the "…butchered up area…"

Power lines will generate the minimum monies to landowners thru eminent domain.

But you say Eagle Ford is to benefit the masses in the cities. Good grief. I can't count how many families I know who made life-changing, unbelievable wealth with Eagle Ford on their land.
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hillcountryag86 said:

Rattler12 said:

Yall want to see a butchered up area that the power lines can't hold a candle to pull up the Eagle Ford oil and gas area on google maps and look at what "progress" has done to mother nature in those counties.....rape the countryside to benefit the masses in the cities...


Not even close to the same argument. The only similarity is the "…butchered up area…"

Power lines will generate the minimum monies to landowners thru eminent domain.

But you say Eagle Ford is to benefit the masses in the cities. Good grief. I can't count how many families I know who made life-changing, unbelievable wealth with Eagle Ford on their land.

Where are the most petroleum products and natural gas used by the greater number of people? Not in Nordheim, TX I'd guess....
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Rattler12 said:

hillcountryag86 said:

Rattler12 said:

Yall want to see a butchered up area that the power lines can't hold a candle to pull up the Eagle Ford oil and gas area on google maps and look at what "progress" has done to mother nature in those counties.....rape the countryside to benefit the masses in the cities...


Not even close to the same argument. The only similarity is the "…butchered up area…"

Power lines will generate the minimum monies to landowners thru eminent domain.

But you say Eagle Ford is to benefit the masses in the cities. Good grief. I can't count how many families I know who made life-changing, unbelievable wealth with Eagle Ford on their land.

Where are the most petroleum products and natural gas used by the greater number of people? Not in Nordheim, TX I'd guess....


Completely missed my point. Transmission lines, solar panels, wind turbines, and pump jacks can ruin a landscape. But you are a fool if you think landowners with mineral rights aren't cashing in just as much or more than anyone.

Same cannot be said for transmission lines, solar, and wind.
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hillcountryag86 said:

Rattler12 said:

hillcountryag86 said:

Rattler12 said:

Yall want to see a butchered up area that the power lines can't hold a candle to pull up the Eagle Ford oil and gas area on google maps and look at what "progress" has done to mother nature in those counties.....rape the countryside to benefit the masses in the cities...


Not even close to the same argument. The only similarity is the "…butchered up area…"

Power lines will generate the minimum monies to landowners thru eminent domain.

But you say Eagle Ford is to benefit the masses in the cities. Good grief. I can't count how many families I know who made life-changing, unbelievable wealth with Eagle Ford on their land.

Where are the most petroleum products and natural gas used by the greater number of people? Not in Nordheim, TX I'd guess....


Completely missed my point. Transmission lines, solar panels, wind turbines, and pump jacks can ruin a landscape. But you are a fool if you think landowners with mineral rights aren't cashing in just as much or more than anyone.

Same cannot be said for transmission lines, solar, and wind.

Didn't miss your point at all... Sure the landowners are cashing in as is their right since they are the landowners. What's left after the oil/gas is pumped out and the pump jacks are hauled off is an abomination to what nature had there in the before....the very same can be said about transmission lines, solar panels and wind turbines
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Can't disclose if I'm involved with this project or not, but as someone that has been in regulatory getting these applications through the PUC process for a few years now, I can assure y'all this process is as much of a pain for us as it is y'all. While the EA consultants, PUC commissioners, and Staff insist that there are ~ 40 different criteria that go into evaluating each possible route proposed, the cynic in me has always assumed what y'all are - they just boil it down to cost. That being said, if any of you get a notice that you are impacted, I beg you, genuinely get involved. If it is feasible from a constructuabliity standpoint, most of the time the project teams will work to accommodate.

The biggest issue that we usually have, is Google maps is only current to a certain date. If there are things built in the past year or two (longer for those rural areas where maybe 3-4), the maps in early routing may not be aware. It's only until those open houses that the routing team is able to say "oh, crap, we don't see that new barn on our map. Let's see if we can move the line to another side of the property."

If I can leave with one big thing, just because you get a notice doesn't mean that you're SOL. There are always multiple route options. Then those get developed. Go to the meetings. Send in comments. Fill out the forms. They'll get incorporated where able and into the ultimate proceeding. Those get put in front of the PUC and they consider those.
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Thanks so much for sharing this information and your perspective. Great information about the need to fill out the comment forms and to stay active in the process. Many of us are very concerned about this transmission project and the impact on the Texas Hill Country.
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I don't think most here have any issues with landowners holding the government and these utility companies to a high standard as far as just compensation and reasonable accommodation.

The offensive tone of the OP amid the suggestion that these lines don't belong in the hill country and instead belong in the inferior rolling blacklands, coastal praries/plains, piney woods, or great plains regions instead (my apologies if I missed someone) is asinine. There's nothing special about the hill country compared to those other places. If that's where the lines need to go to power our state then that's what it is.

And I say that as one who is as anti eminent domain as they come having been impacted severely by eminent domain to the tune of millions of dollars.
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Kenneth_2003 said:

Late to the thread...
Look at how the Texans Against High Speed Rail have joined together in a united front to stand up to the proposed HSR project that aims to connect Houston and Dallas. For those unaware, this project has been lingering for over 15 years now.

Individual land owners cannot fight this, but together you can. In the case of the HSR project they royally pissed off a well to do land owner that also owns his own law firm. When he showed up to one of the very early landowner meetings, they almost laughed when they pointed out the tracks would roll right through, not just his ranch, but his living room. Wrong guy to piss off. It's now his firm's mission to stop it and he's offering free representation to any landowners that choose to join the fight.


I'm thinking economics might have killed high-speed rail….
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OP, threatened???

Seriously, gonna knock down all the hills ??

What is the threat ??

Is Your land more important than any one else land ??

I love hill country, but I love the blackland prairies, and I love the East Tx area, and I love that flat West Texas land

When I drop down south from Ft Stockton to drive to Alpine I love that too ( i try to imagine what Texas looked like before telephone poles )

Everyone one has land or areas that they love
Just My Opinion, and may be unpopular, but I will own it.

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While I get it may seem logical to some, it's not drastically different than squatters deciding you don't get to live in a house you bought and paid for because they want it. It's theft, in the guise of "greater good".

If they need the power, build the power plants IN the cities, reduce the transmission losses and wasteful spending and destruction of what land we have left as a state.
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I suspect that all the people supporting the constant imminent domain seizures have not actually bought their own land and had this done to them. When you shell out hundreds of thousands or millions of dollars to invest in land, only to have it essentially seized, that goes against the very nature we are taught America is about.
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And this is what can happen with the huge transmission lines. Outside Buffalo, Tx on June 21, 2023 the entire power line towers and lines went down across interstate 45 during a simple summer thunderstorm. Multiple towers were blown over for miles in each direction. Numerous vehicles were hit and it was a miracle nobody was electrocuted by the down lines across the highway. Not sure how long 45 was closed but was lucky to be in a 4wd vehicle to drive off the highway and back to an alternative road around the area with downed towers.

We have had several new projects go thru our ranch area in the last 10 years and they are much worse than a pipeline for land values. Diminished Value of the remaining Tracts is the key in getting paid if one of these lines go thru your property. Texas law provides for Diminished value in All condemnation cases be it pipeline, power line, highway, etc but it is Never offered by the Takers. Only a good eminent domain attorney can get it.
 
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