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Agree.
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Good post!
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Agree with all you said as well.
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ag94whoop said:


While I get it may seem logical to some, it's not drastically different than squatters deciding you don't get to live in a house you bought and paid for because they want it. It's theft, in the guise of "greater good".

If they need the power, build the power plants IN the cities, reduce the transmission losses and wasteful spending and destruction of what land we have left as a state.


I agree that there are many issues with eminent domain.

Who is this "they"? Power is needed across the state, not just in the cities.

"What" used in that context implies scarcity. If so, that is clearly not the case in Texas.
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My place is in So.Tx. in Duval County and I got the packet in the mail just over a year ago or so. I got involved and decided to bring a lawyer on board that deals with this stuff. One thing he mentioned to me was that the more people get involved on the line that's going thru your place the better. Im a small fry. I have just over 200 acres and was the first person to sign up to fight on the line thru my place. That lawyer then went to the other adjacent land owners along the line and made his case to fight it. The PUC factors in the cost and the least path of resistance as well. Get involved and make your case. The more resistance on your line the better. Thankfully I wasn't on the cheapest cost line but we did have a lot of resistance. My line was not chosen. I was blessed. The cost of that lawyer was around 5 or 6k in my case.

My point is, if you dont do anything, you are enabling the PUC to choose your line. At least if you get involved and get chosen, you get to fight for every last dollar you can with a good attorney. The alternative is to complain on Texags and hope and pray things work out. Ya, Im out the money. But at least there were some bigger land owners down the line that I dont know that decided to get involved when they saw others willing to fight too.

Good luck to all you landowners. If you fight and lose at least you fought for something and didnt just lay down and take it. If you dont fight, you kind of get what you get in the end.

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Bumping this since I know some of you may have affected property and will probably start to get notices and see news outlets reporting.

AEP Texas and CPS Energy filed their CCN application at the PUC today for the Howard-Solstice 765-kV Transmission Line Project. If anyone would like to review the application, the docket number is 59336: PUC Interchange.

Further information can be found at: Project Information via AEP Texas
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BrazosDog02 said:

This is another standard eminent domain BS thing.

For all affected landowners, just be aware that there is no 'changing' the path. The path will be selected based on cost so make sure all affected are focusing their efforts on getting what they are owed rather than pissing away money trying to 'change' the path. The open houses, meetings, groups, etc have no other purpose than "just letting yall know what is going to be happening". These are not "Change our mind" booths. Again, lawyer up and just focus on getting the most you can when the path is finalized. I am highly opposed to eminent domain. But, it is what it is.

Here is another one going through Burnet, San Saba, Mcculloch, Menard, and Schleicher Counties. Just absolutely determined to destroy that last sections of the state that don't look like absolute *****

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I'm not so sure about that. I had a power line that was going to go right through my property at my main residence. We were essentially the path of least resistance because we were not in the city limits. We fought it with a lawyer and were able to get it moved to one of the other proposed paths. Probably the the biggest thing that helped us was that it was going to go through a large county park. Cost me $5,000 for my part of attorney fees but money well spent to not have 3 of those big ass poles on our land.

Also had to fight a proposed highway bypass through our ranch in Blanco county. That one never got as far with us because I think it would have been an expensive route. But if you don't fight it you may be toast. We had to pay $10,000 for our part of attorney fees for that one but we got taken off the proposed routes fairly quick so money well spent not to have our ranch cut in half! That attorney was a very polished individual and I would highly recommend. He's an Aggie and has spent time in Texas government. A lot of times it's who you know in these kind of things.

https://ytexas.com/tx/bill-jones/

He is on the Board of Regents for Texas A and M
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This.
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docb said:

BrazosDog02 said:

This is another standard eminent domain BS thing.

For all affected landowners, just be aware that there is no 'changing' the path. The path will be selected based on cost so make sure all affected are focusing their efforts on getting what they are owed rather than pissing away money trying to 'change' the path. The open houses, meetings, groups, etc have no other purpose than "just letting yall know what is going to be happening". These are not "Change our mind" booths. Again, lawyer up and just focus on getting the most you can when the path is finalized. I am highly opposed to eminent domain. But, it is what it is.

Here is another one going through Burnet, San Saba, Mcculloch, Menard, and Schleicher Counties. Just absolutely determined to destroy that last sections of the state that don't look like absolute *****

PDF LINK

I'm not so sure about that. I had a power line that was going to go right through my property at my main residence. We were essentially the path of least resistance because we were not in the city limits. We fought it with a lawyer and were able to get it moved to one of the other proposed paths. Probably the the biggest thing that helped us was that it was going to go through a large county park. Cost me $5,000 for my part of attorney fees but money well spent to not have 3 of those big ass poles on our land.

Also had to fight a proposed highway bypass through our ranch in Blanco county. That one never got as far with us because I think it would have been an expensive route. But if you don't fight it you may be toast. We had to pay $10,000 for our part of attorney fees for that one but we got taken off the proposed routes fairly quick so money well spent not to have our ranch cut in half! That attorney was a very polished individual and I would highly recommend. He's an Aggie and has spent time in Texas government. A lot of times it's who you know in these kind of things.

https://ytexas.com/tx/bill-jones/

He is on the Board of Regents for Texas A and M

I'm glad it worked out, but as you said, it's about costs and luck. I should have been a bit more clear in that all of the ones I have heard 'work out' are like yours with situational technicalities that put owners at 1st and goal from the get go. In these cases, yes, a lawyer can help sway the placement and get top dollar to some degree.

Most are not that lucky. We were unlucky in that ALL....ALL potential routes crossed our ranch or followed fence lines. That is due to the end point being 1 mile away from one part of the ranch. Our only option was to pick the best of the worst. We wanted to preserve our spring fed creeks and marshy habitats. We also had nary a single neighbor that wanted to participate in fighting anything. We were successful in getting it pushed to the least impact fence lines. The funny thing is that one of those fence lines is where my neighbors nice driveway is. He gets a massive power line 158' from his back porch and yard. Maybe we both could have benefitted from his participation, but he didn't, and I did and he has to stare at it and I don't.

Again, super happy it worked out for you. I just don't ever want people to get the idea that if they spend a bunch of money on attorneys, the odds are good or in their favor. They are not in their favor outside of rare situations.

In the link I posted above, there are going to be many people like yourself who are potentials who hire attorneys and have a good outcome, and there will be many who do the same and have no result.
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BrazosDog02 said:

docb said:

BrazosDog02 said:

This is another standard eminent domain BS thing.

For all affected landowners, just be aware that there is no 'changing' the path. The path will be selected based on cost so make sure all affected are focusing their efforts on getting what they are owed rather than pissing away money trying to 'change' the path. The open houses, meetings, groups, etc have no other purpose than "just letting yall know what is going to be happening". These are not "Change our mind" booths. Again, lawyer up and just focus on getting the most you can when the path is finalized. I am highly opposed to eminent domain. But, it is what it is.

Here is another one going through Burnet, San Saba, Mcculloch, Menard, and Schleicher Counties. Just absolutely determined to destroy that last sections of the state that don't look like absolute *****

PDF LINK

I'm not so sure about that. I had a power line that was going to go right through my property at my main residence. We were essentially the path of least resistance because we were not in the city limits. We fought it with a lawyer and were able to get it moved to one of the other proposed paths. Probably the the biggest thing that helped us was that it was going to go through a large county park. Cost me $5,000 for my part of attorney fees but money well spent to not have 3 of those big ass poles on our land.

Also had to fight a proposed highway bypass through our ranch in Blanco county. That one never got as far with us because I think it would have been an expensive route. But if you don't fight it you may be toast. We had to pay $10,000 for our part of attorney fees for that one but we got taken off the proposed routes fairly quick so money well spent not to have our ranch cut in half! That attorney was a very polished individual and I would highly recommend. He's an Aggie and has spent time in Texas government. A lot of times it's who you know in these kind of things.

https://ytexas.com/tx/bill-jones/

He is on the Board of Regents for Texas A and M

I'm glad it worked out, but as you said, it's about costs and luck. I should have been a bit more clear in that all of the ones I have heard 'work out' are like yours with situational technicalities that put owners at 1st and goal from the get go. In these cases, yes, a lawyer can help sway the placement and get top dollar to some degree.

Most are not that lucky. We were unlucky in that ALL....ALL potential routes crossed our ranch or followed fence lines. That is due to the end point being 1 mile away from one part of the ranch. Our only option was to pick the best of the worst. We wanted to preserve our spring fed creeks and marshy habitats. We also had nary a single neighbor that wanted to participate in fighting anything. We were successful in getting it pushed to the least impact fence lines. The funny thing is that one of those fence lines is where my neighbors nice driveway is. He gets a massive power line 158' from his back porch and yard. Maybe we both could have benefitted from his participation, but he didn't, and I did and he has to stare at it and I don't.

Again, super happy it worked out for you. I just don't ever want people to get the idea that if they spend a bunch of money on attorneys, the odds are good or in their favor. They are not in their favor outside of rare situations.

The power lines that were going to be at our home we were literally the route that was chosen but we were able to fight it and get it moved. It took two trips down to testify at the Texas Power Commission as part of the process. If your ranch has spring fed creeks I would think you have a serious argument against disrupting the property. It's up to you as I am not trying to spend your money but I would at least contact the attorney at the link I provided. He used to be the commissioner for TPWD and maybe he could look at that angle for you. You may be 100% out of luck but I would want to try if it were me.

ETA I did lose some of my home residence property via eminent domain for widening the road so I know that it sucks.
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oldag941 said:

Never seen anything like this I bet. Largest ever designed to be built in Texas. 765kV. The flashing lights at night and constant humm of the line takes it to a whole different level. Just saying it's not apples to apples with a typical transmission line in someone's backyard.

Yeah, nothing like that at all:



Also, that's kind of a cool tower TBH. Definitely bigger than the ones that were in my back yard, but I'd also view that as a good thing since there is a significant amount more clearance between ground and the lines. On relatively flat ground those towers are also spaced at about 1500 feet apart and not the 100-200 feet like power poles typically are. Just adding some perspective.

I also had a city water well within sight and train tracks about 350 yards off my back yard in addition to the high power line that never seemed to be an issue to us growing up, plus a substation and a radio tower (with lights and all!) less than 1/4 mile away.

Again - growing up in an industrial area gives me a different perspective I guess. I completely understand the sentiment of not wanting something through the property, but until we live in Star Wars land where we have magic crystals that provide unlimited free clean power, the reality is that with an ever increasing population and an ever changing technological front there are going to be continuous energy transfer projects and simply because your part of the state has pretty hills and a lot of junipers doesn't mean it is exempt or somehow better than other parts of the state, which is what my entire point was with respect to the language used in the OP's post of doom and gloom and death and destruction and scorched earth and bare landscapes for everybody along the path.

I could definitely do without more data centers and think we should be 100% on SMR's. I also think that 75% of the people in the hill country (which for this discussion purposes includes the Austin-SA corridor) need to pack up and go somewhere else and quit sucking all of the water out of the land and bringing in libtard politics. Same for Housto and DFW for that matter. But unfortunately that ship has sailed and we are all fooked on that front so the best we can do is manage the current situation. And like I said previously - if enough landowners can get together and get what they see as a win, more power to them. That means that neighboring landowners are getting screwed at some point though which should not be lost in the mix.
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Mas89 said:


And this is what can happen with the huge transmission lines. Outside Buffalo, Tx on June 21, 2023 the entire power line towers and lines went down across interstate 45 during a simple summer thunderstorm. Multiple towers were blown over for miles in each direction. Numerous vehicles were hit and it was a miracle nobody was electrocuted by the down lines across the highway. Not sure how long 45 was closed but was lucky to be in a 4wd vehicle to drive off the highway and back to an alternative road around the area with downed towers.

We have had several new projects go thru our ranch area in the last 10 years and they are much worse than a pipeline for land values. Diminished Value of the remaining Tracts is the key in getting paid if one of these lines go thru your property. Texas law provides for Diminished value in All condemnation cases be it pipeline, power line, highway, etc but it is Never offered by the Takers. Only a good eminent domain attorney can get it.

"Simple summer thunderstorm" that spawned multiple tornadoes and straight line winds that exceeded 100 mph. That same storm line knocked over several large towers like that all the way down on the NW side of Houston too. That line of storms F'd up half of Texas and most of Louisiana and into Miss. I think at one point close to a million people were without power. That's like saying TS Allison was "just a rain storm".
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I sat in a chartered bus on IH-10 at 610 for over 24hrs without moving during Alison.
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