schmellba99 said:
Guess there is always the "don't get power" option?
We can't do without data centers?
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We can't do without data centers?
Going through neighbor's place that already has an easement for lines, hope the larger towers aren't visible and impact my views.
Wonder if you preempt with a conservation easement (creates different issues) you could force a reroute? If generational plans for property makes a conservation easement possible something to consider.
Wonder if you preempt with a conservation easement (creates different issues) you could force a reroute? If generational plans for property makes a conservation easement possible something to consider.
Nope, just means you get paid less.
Yall want to see a butchered up area that the power lines can't hold a candle to pull up the Eagle Ford oil and gas area on google maps and look at what "progress" has done to mother nature in those counties.....rape the countryside to benefit the masses in the cities...
Certainly the exception, but it normally isn't fought for the right way. Just argued about lowered property values by lawyers.
Need some basis beyond $$$ to get it to move.
You get (i.e. pay) the right people (consultants) fighting for you and making good clear strong arguments, and you have a lot of leverage in the fight.
Need some basis beyond $$$ to get it to move.
You get (i.e. pay) the right people (consultants) fighting for you and making good clear strong arguments, and you have a lot of leverage in the fight.
Gunny456 said:
Damn man. Really feel for you. All so they can light up another mall, bar or strip center so thugs don't steal them blind.
Worst part is it makes you feel so damn helpless. I guess that's how our Native Americans must have felt.
I am for business, but seems like developers just keep on plowing through new ground. I guess it's cheap? Especially since there are vacant lands or old buildings that could be torn down and built upon again. Dallas already stretches east to Caddo Mills on 30. Makes no sense to drive that far to work. I thought younger folks didn't want the commute and downtown redevelopment was what was happening. Surprised the tree huggers don't stop this stuff.
Money, shuts them up?
Would you want your young children going to inner city DISD schools?
People keep moving farther from the cities to keep their kids out of bad schools. As the suburbs age, their schools start getting worse when those fancy apartments from 40 years ago are now cheap or Section 8 housing. Those kids go to the formerly great suburban schools and bring it down.
Those with the means move away.
People keep moving farther from the cities to keep their kids out of bad schools. As the suburbs age, their schools start getting worse when those fancy apartments from 40 years ago are now cheap or Section 8 housing. Those kids go to the formerly great suburban schools and bring it down.
Those with the means move away.
DISD is bad.......
We live in Dallas and send our kids to private school.
We live in Dallas and send our kids to private school.
TexAgs: as long as we have each other, we will never run out of problems.
O.G. said:
This is the same project I posted about a while back.
While I am sympathetic to individual Landowners plight. My own brother lives in Fredericksburg, family came from Blanco etc....It is funny everything there is a project proposed for literally anything, including water treatment plants, we have to "protect the most beautiful part of the state" gets trotted out.
Yes, I understand this stuff is a pain, but entire regions of the state can't be exempted from it becuase they are believed to be more asthetically pleasing by some.
All natural gas pipelines can't run south of San Antonio. Powerlines, although I do agree they are ugly, are better than no electricity and water treatment plant (Blanco/Blanco river) either has to be updated once in a while, or no water.
The King Ranch has Transmission lines & Natural Gas Pipelines, so does the O'Connor so does the Kennedy, so does Dolph Briscoe. So, saying that "deep pockets" will keep this away, is not true.
https://texags.com/forums/34/topics/3535239/replies/69920657
This.
It gets really, really old hearing people ***** and moan about a power line or a gas ROW or whatever because their part of the state is obviously pretty and should never have anything done that would soil the precious views, etc. Meanwhile they casually say things like "put it over there on the coast" or wherever as if that other part of the state that they can't see with their million dollar view is somehow just a chunk of land that has no value and is only good for things they don't want to see.
But they happily drive on the roads that dissect their unsoiled most beautiful part of the state. They happily enjoy the comforts of AC that is provided by power that has to travel on transmission mains. They happily fire up their stoves and ovens and burn natural gas that has to be piped in through pipelines. They happily complain on their iphones that require petrochemical products that are refined and produced in another part of the state. They happily turn the faucets on for clean water and flush the toilets so the icky poo water goes somewhere else, etc., etc. etc.
Look at the post from the OP - pure fear mongering, and the words were chosen carefully so as to strike as much anger and emotion as possible from somebody reading it. It reads like the power company is going to come in and create a lithium mine on everybody's property and dump the spoils into the Devil's river and everybody knows that isn't even close to the case.
I get being aggravated and wanting to push back as much as possible, that's natural and understood. But acting like this is The Nothign from The Neverending Story coming and using fear tactics is disingenuous and more of a temper tantrum than anything else.
The fact you referenced The Neverending Story speaks volumes.
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The King Ranch has Transmission lines & Natural Gas Pipelines,
Sure does. And a gas plant and NGL lines and crude lines and a host of other ***** . I sure miss that place.
schmellba99 said:O.G. said:
This is the same project I posted about a while back.
While I am sympathetic to individual Landowners plight. My own brother lives in Fredericksburg, family came from Blanco etc....It is funny everything there is a project proposed for literally anything, including water treatment plants, we have to "protect the most beautiful part of the state" gets trotted out.
Yes, I understand this stuff is a pain, but entire regions of the state can't be exempted from it becuase they are believed to be more asthetically pleasing by some.
All natural gas pipelines can't run south of San Antonio. Powerlines, although I do agree they are ugly, are better than no electricity and water treatment plant (Blanco/Blanco river) either has to be updated once in a while, or no water.
The King Ranch has Transmission lines & Natural Gas Pipelines, so does the O'Connor so does the Kennedy, so does Dolph Briscoe. So, saying that "deep pockets" will keep this away, is not true.
https://texags.com/forums/34/topics/3535239/replies/69920657
This.
It gets really, really old hearing people ***** and moan about rain, when you live on the Texas coast
FIFY
Same for living in an desert and complaining about hot and dry I suppose.
Edit - shoudl have been a winky face thing to show I'm joshing along with you
Edit - shoudl have been a winky face thing to show I'm joshing along with you
Canyon99 said:schmellba99 said:
Guess there is always the "don't get power" option?
We can't do without data centers?
It isn't just about data centers unfortunately.
The entire I-35 corridor between Asstin and San Mexico is in a power deficit. There isn't enough power available to meet the demand now plus the future demand. That's what happens when multiple millions of people decide that they need to be in one small area of the state over a relatively short period of time.
Rattler12 said:
Yall want to see a butchered up area that the power lines can't hold a candle to pull up the Eagle Ford oil and gas area on google maps and look at what "progress" has done to mother nature in those counties.....rape the countryside to benefit the masses in the cities...
And more of the drama llama language.
You are conveniently leaving out that the landowners of the countryside are the ones benefitting the most on a singular level. Those cities don't get the royalties - which are absolutely substantial - that the landowners are getting.
There is a reason that landowners who were barely scraping by 30-40 years ago now have high fence ranches complete with on staff biologists and feed bills that run 6 and 7 figures a year. Oil and gas money pays for their secondary hobby income of high fenced hunting or high end leasing the land to corporations for hunting.
O.G. said:
This is the same project I posted about a while back.
While I am sympathetic to individual Landowners plight. My own brother lives in Fredericksburg, family came from Blanco etc....It is funny everything there is a project proposed for literally anything, including water treatment plants, we have to "protect the most beautiful part of the state" gets trotted out.
Yes, I understand this stuff is a pain, but entire regions of the state can't be exempted from it becuase they are believed to be more asthetically pleasing by some.
All natural gas pipelines can't run south of San Antonio. Powerlines, although I do agree they are ugly, are better than no electricity and water treatment plant (Blanco/Blanco river) either has to be updated once in a while, or no water.
The King Ranch has Transmission lines & Natural Gas Pipelines, so does the O'Connor so does the Kennedy, so does Dolph Briscoe. So, saying that "deep pockets" will keep this away, is not true.
https://texags.com/forums/34/topics/3535239/replies/69920657
There is also the aspect that a whole lot of people on this board don't seem to grasp when it comes to things like pipelines or transmission lines, etc. traversing a property:
In many cases, depending on geography, that ROW is a blessing to have. It's a new road, path, cleared land, grazing land, shooting lane, etc. that the landowner isn't paying to have cut and that the ROW owner also has to [somewhat] maintain. In my neck of the woods, as well as places like east Texas - ROW's aren't always viewed as some evil thing, often they are a welcome addition because it opens up more land for use.
Look at just about any ROW - gas or power - and you'll find that the landowners don't just let them go to waste. I hunt on a ROW. Another ROW on our lease is what paid for a very nice all weather road that gets us to camp and beyond whereas before that road was built we often had to park a half mile away from camp and load everything into our buggies and slog it through knee deep mud just to get to where we could set up, then it was a beating to get to the blinds from there. Landowner uses the road to access the property and the ROW's are all grazed by his cows (which are *******s, by the way - all of them). Over 20 acres of grazing land was added via pipeline ROW installation and where an old well pump jack used to be.
I am not sure I've ever seen a ROW in Texas that didn't have a blind on it either.
while you are not wrong. I believe this discussion started and revolves around electric transmission lines. Property owner impact is much different than something underground.
Gunny456 said:
They could care less what it does to the land and views …..and to state further….the people who haven't worked to own the land and are not affected by it could care less as well.
I am sure the "well actually" crowd will happily talk about how they would simply bendover and take it, but Eminent Domain is this most corrupt, useless BS ever invented. (Outside of any idea the Left ever came up with!)
I fully understand its intended purpose, but for the last 100 years plus, it has been used in the most vile way possible.
Lawmakers who could do something about it, won't, just like property tax. They love them the power and money that comes from being able to enforce crap like this.
If there's something eminent domain should be used for, common carrier pipeline and electrical transmission lines are some good uses.
oldag941 said:
while you are not wrong. I believe this discussion started and revolves around electric transmission lines. Property owner impact is much different than something underground.
It's also easy to be pro eminent domain and f--- someone's land up when it's not your own. Anyone advocating for the 'common good' generally falls in that category.
Anyone that buys land should know that it is subject to the power of eminent domain. If they don't, that's on them.
O.G. said:
The King Ranch has Transmission lines & Natural Gas Pipelines, so does the O'Connor so does the Kennedy, so does Dolph Briscoe. So, saying that "deep pockets" will keep this away, is not true.
Probably happy to get them along with the likely many tens of millions of dollars for those easements.
I guess if extrapolate your perspective to those that "own" land. Our forefathers had no idea imminent domain would ever impact their land. We inherited that somewhat new risk (at least since 1939).
Yes sir.
F that man. I worked for over 20 years busting my ass with the dream to someday own my own ranch. Been seriously looking at places for 5 years and finally find the one. Close on it and 7 months later get a packet in the mail. Go to the meeting a week ago and the proposed route goes right through the middle of the ranch, right by the house, and through the only turkey roost on the ranch. I have every right to be pissed. This is to send power out to west Texas for data centers, not to send power to San Antonio or Austin. Why the eff can't they build NG power plants with a ready supply out there to power those plants?
‘99
Can so much sympathize with you. So very much.
oldag941 said:
I guess if extrapolate your perspective to those that "own" land. Our forefathers had no idea imminent domain would ever impact their land. We inherited that somewhat new risk (at least since 1939).
Eminent domain has been around since kings claimed the lands in their kingdom. Our forefathers had the foresight that if the government is going to exercise that power, the landowner should be paid with "just compensation." To think "they'll never want my land to build something through it" is just foolishness.
bmfvet said:
F that man. I worked for over 20 years busting my ass with the dream to someday own my own ranch. Been seriously looking at places for 5 years and finally find the one. Close on it and 7 months later get a packet in the mail. Go to the meeting a week ago and the proposed route goes right through the middle of the ranch, right by the house, and through the only turkey roost on the ranch. I have every right to be pissed. This is to send power out to west Texas for data centers, not to send power to San Antonio or Austin. Why the eff can't they build NG power plants with a ready supply out there to power those plants?
If you get contacted by a ROW Agent (I don't know which company it would be, there are a number of them) Make sure that you tell him abou the Turkey Roost. Drive them over there, show it to them. Turkeys are not endangered, but they may not know that.
Show them the proximity to the house/barn/buildings that the route is showing. It is possible. that they used an outdated map to make the route. I saw that happen in NM. The map/route was from 2017. During Covid a family had move a house to the middle of the route, unknowingly, and then the project started back up with no updates on the map/route.
Edit after more coffee: Also, show up to meetings, the community ones that the OP posted (although I'm not wild about those) but especially the ones that should be held by the company for the community to come view the route etc. NOTE: The ones that the company puts on will not be a podium session, its more of a meet & greet with info about the project. Make sure you let them know that you have buildings etc etc there.
Easy to see who owns land and who lives on a quarter acre city lot in this thread.
schmellba99 said:Rattler12 said:
Yall want to see a butchered up area that the power lines can't hold a candle to pull up the Eagle Ford oil and gas area on google maps and look at what "progress" has done to mother nature in those counties.....rape the countryside to benefit the masses in the cities...
And more of the drama llama language.
You are conveniently leaving out that the landowners of the countryside are the ones benefitting the most on a singular level. Those cities don't get the royalties - which are absolutely substantial - that the landowners are getting.
There is a reason that landowners who were barely scraping by 30-40 years ago now have high fence ranches complete with on staff biologists and feed bills that run 6 and 7 figures a year. Oil and gas money pays for their secondary hobby income of high fenced hunting or high end leasing the land to corporations for hunting.
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Look at how the Texans Against High Speed Rail have joined together in a united front to stand up to the proposed HSR project that aims to connect Houston and Dallas. For those unaware, this project has been lingering for over 15 years now.
Individual land owners cannot fight this, but together you can. In the case of the HSR project they royally pissed off a well to do land owner that also owns his own law firm. When he showed up to one of the very early landowner meetings, they almost laughed when they pointed out the tracks would roll right through, not just his ranch, but his living room. Wrong guy to piss off. It's now his firm's mission to stop it and he's offering free representation to any landowners that choose to join the fight.
Look at how the Texans Against High Speed Rail have joined together in a united front to stand up to the proposed HSR project that aims to connect Houston and Dallas. For those unaware, this project has been lingering for over 15 years now.
Individual land owners cannot fight this, but together you can. In the case of the HSR project they royally pissed off a well to do land owner that also owns his own law firm. When he showed up to one of the very early landowner meetings, they almost laughed when they pointed out the tracks would roll right through, not just his ranch, but his living room. Wrong guy to piss off. It's now his firm's mission to stop it and he's offering free representation to any landowners that choose to join the fight.
Jbob04 said:
Easy to see who owns land and who lives on a quarter acre city lot in this thread.
Also easy to see who the NIMBYs are.
Rattler12 said:schmellba99 said:Rattler12 said:
Yall want to see a butchered up area that the power lines can't hold a candle to pull up the Eagle Ford oil and gas area on google maps and look at what "progress" has done to mother nature in those counties.....rape the countryside to benefit the masses in the cities...
And more of the drama llama language.
You are conveniently leaving out that the landowners of the countryside are the ones benefitting the most on a singular level. Those cities don't get the royalties - which are absolutely substantial - that the landowners are getting.
There is a reason that landowners who were barely scraping by 30-40 years ago now have high fence ranches complete with on staff biologists and feed bills that run 6 and 7 figures a year. Oil and gas money pays for their secondary hobby income of high fenced hunting or high end leasing the land to corporations for hunting.
No, I got your point. Or attempt at one anyway. It's just a dumb point that ignores entirely the other half of the picture.
But you do you.
BrazosDog02 said:oldag941 said:
while you are not wrong. I believe this discussion started and revolves around electric transmission lines. Property owner impact is much different than something underground.
It's also easy to be pro eminent domain and f--- someone's land up when it's not your own. Anyone advocating for the 'common good' generally falls in that category.
Assuming I'm pro eminent domain simply because I am pointing out a different view is stupid. But carry on, I guess?
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