We would never take our dog into a restaurant or HEB.

She's a big hit at the library and the Children's Hospital though.

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I've seen people at a restaurant let their dog drink from their water glass. I'm not talking about a to go cup, but the glass that could be on your table next visit. I love dogs, but animals in food service environments is gross!

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I'm definitely against dogs everywhere but the glass is going to be cleaned before the next patron drinks from it. Besides, I'm not so sure I wouldn't want to drink after a random dog than a random human.

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I don't know about that. I've seen where dogs lick themselves.

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Have you seen where people lick other people?

Edit: Not to mention the fact that I can catch nearly any human disease but that's not true for dog diseases.

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chickencoupe16 said:

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I've seen people at a restaurant let their dog drink from their water glass. I'm not talking about a to go cup, but the glass that could be on your table next visit. I love dogs, but animals in food service environments is gross!

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I'm definitely against dogs everywhere but the glass is going to be cleaned before the next patron drinks from it. Besides, I'm not so sure I wouldn't want to drink after a random dog than a random human.

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I don't know about that. I've seen where dogs lick themselves.

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Have you seen where people lick other people?

Edit: Not to mention the fact that I can catch nearly any human disease but that's not true for dog diseases.

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I'll stick to neither one.

Playing devil's advocate here but what about Miss Rev sitting at a booth in Texas Roadhouse? :-)

I've only seen dogs allowed on patios in BCS. It must be some weird coincidence that I don't frequent the places that let them inside.

I went to Easterwood to meet my wife when her flight landed.

A gal was waiting for her friend that was on the same flight. She had a Cat Pack on her back. A backpack with a big clear plastic door on it where her cat could see out while it rode around on her back.

When the friend arrived and they were waiting for baggage to be unloaded, she took the cat out and they took turns holding it.

Maybe they should have walked it in on a leash.

[Do not make political trolling posts on this forum. -Staff]

Did you try the Carolina reaper tacos? Those bad boys are delicious.

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Did you try the Carolina reaper tacos? Those bad boys are delicious.

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Man, I saw the sign for them. I almost did. I love spicy stuff but at some point it's just too much for me to enjoy. I ate 1/8 of a ghost pepper once just to see how hot it was and I regretted it for an hour. So, I didn't do the tacos. I might have to try them though, they do look tasty.

they aren't bad, spice-wise. I ate 3 and my mouth tingled nicely for about 20 minutes. I don't do real hot stuff either.

I've never had a taco or hamburger I didn't like.

I split my time pretty evenly between CS and Austin for years. Not counting patios, I see a TON more dogs inside restaurants and grocery stores in CS than I do in Austin. Primarily it's college-aged men and women in CS. Almost entirely.

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I see a lot of dogs at HEB. Many are service dogs but some are obviously not. Sitting in carts. Barking at other customers. No management enforcing store policy, even if the dog is barking at customers.

Why is store management so afraid to confront the dog owners? A competent store manager and a legitimate SD owner would confirm their visit in a minute with only the 2 appropriate/required questions. Everyone else can turn around and leave.

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If a dog is causing a disturbance by barking, aggressive behavior, peeing/pooping the floor, or otherwise not within the control of its human person, then staff/management absolutely should be getting involved. It doesn't matter at that point whether the person actually has a disability or whether the service dog is "genuine," it needs to be removed either way.

Now to be cantankerous, here's the rub - just because a dog is riding in a cart on a little pillow with painted nails doesn't mean it is NOT a service dog. Literally any dog might actually be a service dog. I if wanted to take my pup to the store, I'd wear a tag that says, "I'm disabled and non-verbal and this dog is trained to alert me prior to medical episodes." Then scowl, point at my tag, and wave people away dismissively if they even dared speak to me. Actually I may be guilty of this already (sans tag).

Easy to understand why the store looks the other way for dogs that aren't causing big problems. You'll continue to shop there either way, but the person who got "hassled" about their precious fur baby might not. Personally, it doesn't bother me when I see what appears to be a non-service dog in a grocery store, I figure maybe it does actually help the person in some way. But then I usually shop at Kroger where it sounds like the faux service dogs are better behaved. Chalk up another win for Bryan.

Maybe some pics or video of the more egregious offenders could be sent to @KBTXRusty to get some social pressure on HEB to start removing the barkers (or at least learn that they are allowed to do so).

Sitting in Texas Roadhouse tonight when a lady walked in with a full size pink sweater wearing cocker spaniel and sat at the next booth over from us. After our meal On the way out manager asked if everything was OK, we said except for that cocker spaniel, the manager got perturbed and went to that table. Don't know what became of it but apparently BC Health dep only allows service animals per the manager. The manager told us TRH policy is service dogs are welcomed but all other pets are not allowed. She questioned the hostess station as to who seated a person with a dog.


Sorry was posting shorthand from the road while my wife was driving, edits to clarify are bolded

Worked at an institute of higher education* in the area until recently. Saw plenty of students with legitimate service dogs and obvious vests/signage. However, a coworker once brought their pet dog with them and let it walk the hallways unleashed, barking at people.

*Whether any education actually took place is a separate post.

I heart you so much.

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I see a lot of dogs at HEB. Many are service dogs but some are obviously not. Sitting in carts. Barking at other customers. No management enforcing store policy, even if the dog is barking at customers.

Why is store management so afraid to confront the dog owners? A competent store manager and a legitimate SD owner would confirm their visit in a minute with only the 2 appropriate/required questions. Everyone else can turn around and leave.

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If a dog is causing a disturbance by barking, aggressive behavior, peeing/pooping the floor, or otherwise not within the control of its human person, then staff/management absolutely should be getting involved. It doesn't matter at that point whether the person actually has a disability or whether the service dog is "genuine," it needs to be removed either way.

Now to be cantankerous, here's the rub - just because a dog is riding in a cart on a little pillow with painted nails doesn't mean it is NOT a service dog. Literally any dog might actually be a service dog. I if wanted to take my pup to the store, I'd wear a tag that says, "I'm disabled and non-verbal and this dog is trained to alert me prior to medical episodes." Then scowl, point at my tag, and wave people away dismissively if they even dared speak to me. Actually I may be guilty of this already (sans tag).

Easy to understand why the store looks the other way for dogs that aren't causing big problems. You'll continue to shop there either way, but the person who got "hassled" about their precious fur baby might not. Personally, it doesn't bother me when I see what appears to be a non-service dog in a grocery store, I figure maybe it does actually help the person in some way. But then I usually shop at Kroger where it sounds like the faux service dogs are better behaved. Chalk up another win for Bryan.

Maybe some pics or video of the more egregious offenders could be sent to @KBTXRusty to get some social pressure on HEB to start removing the barkers (or at least learn that they are allowed to do so).

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I agree that service dogs come in all shapes and sizes. But they still cannot ride in a grocery cart, even with painted nails and a pillow. And, if they cannot be kept under control, they can be asked to be removed from the business.

I recall when I was stationed in Germany (longer ago than I like to admit) I actually came across a couple of restaurants that had dogs. They didn't belong to customers - I assume they belonged to the owner/proprietor.

One was a place called Stadtkrueg in Baumholder. Place had fantastic dry rubbed ribs, and a very chill dog that wandered around the dining area.

The other place was on the ocean in some small town in France near Omaha Beach. Gran Camp Maisie maybe. Again, a very chill dog wandering around the dining area and patio. I remember that one because I couldn't read the menu, and ended up ordering some sort of sausage that was the most disgusting thing that claimed to actually be food that I've ever tasted. I tried to slip it to the dog - who sniffed it and refused to eat it.

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MiMi said:

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I see a lot of dogs at HEB. Many are service dogs but some are obviously not. Sitting in carts. Barking at other customers. No management enforcing store policy, even if the dog is barking at customers.

Why is store management so afraid to confront the dog owners? A competent store manager and a legitimate SD owner would confirm their visit in a minute with only the 2 appropriate/required questions. Everyone else can turn around and leave.

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If a dog is causing a disturbance by barking, aggressive behavior, peeing/pooping the floor, or otherwise not within the control of its human person, then staff/management absolutely should be getting involved. It doesn't matter at that point whether the person actually has a disability or whether the service dog is "genuine," it needs to be removed either way.

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I agree that service dogs come in all shapes and sizes. But they still cannot ride in a grocery cart, even with painted nails and a pillow. And, if they cannot be kept under control, they can be asked to be removed from the business.

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Yes, that was my first paragraph, although you stated it more succinctly. If the dog isn't under control, it makes the problematic questions of whether the person actually has a disability and whether the dog is a "real" service dog both moot. Which should theoretically make it easier for the store to take action in such cases.

But I'm not sure why a manager or employee would ever need to interact with a legitimate SD owner? There would be no reason to initiate contact if the dog is legitimate because the dog won't be in a cart or otherwise causing any problems (99%+ of the time).

Management is probably choosing to look the other way on the illegitimate ones either due to simple ignorance or because that's the option that causes the least hassle for them (avoiding the blowup factor Loyal Ag touched on).