College Station Midtown Neglect

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College Station residents rally for Midtown development https://www.kbtx.com/2025/05/08/college-station-residents-rally-midtown-development/

Don't they understand? Just make a YMCA happen and all will be made good ….. we could even move a Macys closer I mean between the last two mayors we have over a 150 yr of wisdom.
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What help, exactly, are the Midtown developers and residents requesting from 'the city.' Well, from me. I am a resident of the city too, but if I don't live in Midtown, what help are they requesting from all of us who do not live in Midtown? Is there some regulation they want relaxed, some zoning? Or do they want tax monies paid by all of us to be directed to Midtown, and if so, how much and for what?

I would love to see a thriving Midtown area, one developed with private sector resources. I am just unsure of what exact help the Midtown residents and developers are requesting of 'the city'. Once that is known, we can discuss the pros and cons of providing that help to one area of the city versus another.
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Just give your excess tax revenue, build a YMCA, and re elect the supporters of every consultant agreement and CoCS property purchase. That's all ie takes …..
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Not sure I'd trust development in this area. The only thing that is guaranteed is that Northgate will change. Everything else is a coin flip. The school still runs the economy.

20-30 years ago in Austin, you couldn't find a sports bar outside of Fox and the Hound. It was nothing compared to Houston and Dallas. Reminds me of BCS last year. Complete change in a year with Anchor Bar, Pluckers, and Bubbas 33. Sports bars are very lucrative in college towns if done right.

Gotta get to the next stage....probably need Rellis to close.
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tamufan said:

What help, exactly, are the Midtown developers and residents requesting from 'the city.' Well, from me. I am a resident of the city too, but if I don't live in Midtown, what help are they requesting from all of us who do not live in Midtown? Is there some regulation they want relaxed, some zoning? Or do they want tax monies paid by all of us to be directed to Midtown, and if so, how much and for what?

I would love to see a thriving Midtown area, one developed with private sector resources. I am just unsure of what exact help the Midtown residents and developers are requesting of 'the city'. Once that is known, we can discuss the pros and cons of providing that help to one area of the city versus another.
It appears that a past council made promises of helping to support the growth of the commercial property when they developed the area. Since then, there has been little interest in commercial developers building in the area. Is the owner asking too much? The location is out of the main existing commercial activity of Rock Prairie and Tower point. Is there a need for commercial businesses there at this time?

To me, it appears that the property owner is sitting on vacant land and paying property taxes without any revenue from land sales and needs to have the city's help?

As with most every other area of the county, when the need comes, the commercial area will develop. To me, the city needs to stay out of trying to accelerate development of private property and stick to providing essential services to the city's residents as a whole.
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WHERE'S OUR KAYAKS ON THE LAKE!!?!?!?!

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happyinBCS
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Those folks pay an additional property tax to the city and have been since day one. They need to get their money back because it is obvious the city screwed this up as they always do when they touch anything that has to do with development
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I think they are making them hold too much for commercial development, and there is demand for more residential. They need the city to allow them to rezone and replan the development.
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I assume no one else here watched the meeting last night, or y'all would have already mentioned the Caribbean Texas Watering Hole, with attached water park, convention center, rec center and hotel.
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happyinBCS said:

Those folks pay an additional property tax to the city and have been since day one. They need to get their money back because it is obvious the city screwed this up as they always do when they touch anything that has to do with development
Didn't know that. Yep, give the tax money back and let the land owners rezone as they desire and let the market dictate the growth of the area.
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EriktheRed said:

I assume no one else here watched the meeting last night, or y'all would have already mentioned the Caribbean Texas Watering Hole, with attached water park, convention center, rec center and hotel.
sarcasm?
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happyinBCS said:

Those folks pay an additional property tax to the city and have been since day one. They need to get their money back because it is obvious the city screwed this up as they always do when they touch anything that has to do with development
Sorry, I have never heard this before. Is it a tax or a fee? For example an HOA fee is not a tax. Perhaps you can provide us a link to a news article or government document that confirms the "additional" tax.

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doubledog said:

happyinBCS said:

Those folks pay an additional property tax to the city and have been since day one. They need to get their money back because it is obvious the city screwed this up as they always do when they touch anything that has to do with development
Sorry, I have never heard this before. Is it a tax or a fee? For example an HOA fee is not a tax. Perhaps you can provide us a link to a news article or government document that confirms the "additional" tax.




They pay an additional Rock Prairie Management District 2 tax of 65 cents. This had been 50 cents until last year. This tax does not take into consideration homestead exemption, so it is on the full appraised amount. This accounts for 35% of total taxes.
happyinBCS
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it is rock prairie management district, and the tax rate is .50 per hundred valuation this is in addition to their CS school and city tax and Brazos County also

They are obviously getting nothing for the thousands the city collects
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See my post above you. It is now 65 cents.
happyinBCS
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Wow I did not realize it went up to .65 that is Insane

that is a 30% increase for a full value tax that they are getting nothing for
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happyinBCS said:

it is rock prairie management district, and the tax rate is .50 per hundred valuation this is in addition to their CS school and city tax and Brazos County also

They are obviously getting nothing for the thousands the city collects
"CHAPTER 3909. ROCK PRAIRIE MANAGEMENT DISTRICT NO. 2 - All land and other property included in the district will benefit from the improvements and services to be provided by the district under powers conferred by Sections 52 and 52-a, Article III, and Section 59, Article XVI, Texas Constitution, and other powers granted under this chapter"

The city should give the taxes collected back to the property owners and dissolve the district., If not, only the amount of money collected by the city per this tax should be used to develop and improve the area...no more and no less.

Anyone have any idea of the amount has been collected?

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I can't post a photo, but how the homeowners were notified was a notice in the Bryan Eagle. LOL.

And Logan Lee is on the Board!
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Captn_Ag05 said:


sarcasm?
Nope. Developer proposed it as a PPP and will be meeting with Economic Dev staff on trying to get it done.
doubledog
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Thanks this is the link I was looking for

https://opendoc.cstx.gov/DocArc/DocView.aspx?id=1309223&dbid=0&repo=DOCUMENT-SERVER&cr=1
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happyinBCS said:

Wow I did not realize it went up to .65 that is Insane

that is a 30% increase for a full value tax that they are getting nothing for


They have an empty Macy's.
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The district has outstanding bonds issued in the past so "some" of that tax money would be going there to pay on those. The district also had Schulz Engineering advertise a scope of work for installation of new water and sewer lines in Feb of this year. Not sure if past bonds or new tax revenue or both are covering that money going forward. Would be interesting to see how much is collected and going to special district bonds, operation expenses or what entitites also have their hands in the cookie jar for management/operation fees, etc. Was there some perceived advantage of setting this area up at the time as a special district? How is it different than a typical MUD?
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This is the Midtown presentation from the Council meeting. https://blog.cstx.gov/wp-content/uploads/2025/05/Item-8.2-Midtown-History.pdf
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EriktheRed said:

I assume no one else here watched the meeting last night, or y'all would have already mentioned the Caribbean Texas Watering Hole, with attached water park, convention center, rec center and hotel.


I think this was another stall tactic by the developer. Just like Club Midtown in 2021.
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One thing in a presentation by the City, is that the developer has to build 150,000 sf in non-residential mixed use developement. How much is 150,000 sf?

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UhOhNoAgTag said:

One thing in a presentation by the City, is that the developer has to build 150,000 sf in non-residential mixed use developement. How much is 150,000 sf?




If your typical SoCoSta nice house is 3,000 sf, it's 50 houses. If your typical midtown Eastgate older CStat house is 2500 sf, it's 60 houses.

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A typical Costco store is around 150k sq feet if that's helpful in giving an idea.
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Wow. Thank you.
Bob Yancy
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Midtown College Station was a passion of a prior council(s). The area does hold tremendous potential to be an extraordinary district with a unique identity. That potential is unrealized. The homeowners there bought into their neighborhood believing it would be much more than what it is, and they paid more than double the property taxes the rest of us do on that belief. It's a frustrating situation. I understand why they're not satisfied. I'm not either.

The good news is no party appears to be in material breach of the various agreements; the infrastructure is top notch; a very cool park is going in about a mile away; the neighborhood and neighbors have a great vibe and there's a sense of camaraderie. There also happens to be a best-in-class health system anchored there. Costco is doing its thing, and there's an exciting development pending just north of it.

What we're missing is optimism and partnership between the developer and city hall. The developer didn't want this to become his career project- he just wanted to build homes. The city wanted Midtown and a YMCA and a walkable downtown and all the rest of it, and wouldn't take no for an answer. Thereafter, once the incentives were in place, the city walked away, having fulfilled its contractual obligations, and said good luck.

At the same time the city wanted exciting growth in that area, it began adopting an ethos of constraint on growth across the city. Perhaps that's not entirely fair… more like "if you want to do business here you're welcome, but be prepared to pay a steep entry fee to do so." That strategy has proven to be incompatible with Midtown- and a lot of other things.

So we have an area with good bones and lots of potential, but the residents are unhappy and spending too much in taxes, and the Developer is unhappy that his original plan he feels was hijacked, and the city is shrugging their shoulders and saying we did what we said we would do…and by the four corners of the agreement, the city did.

That's how we got here.

The question now is what to do next? I don't have a specific policy position yet. It's another conundrum. We have definitely lost a lot of time. Had both parties kept their enthusiasm and pursued it together on complimentary tracks, who knows where we might be today- but we did not.

We could dissolve the MMD and somehow resolve the infrastructure debt. That way the residents of the area would have their tax burden cut in half. The land would develop naturally over time by the private sector.

In the alternative, we could take measured steps to put it back on track. We could prioritize on the capital plan the completion of Town Lake boulevard to the highway and thus create four hard corners at the intersection of Town Lake and Midtown Drive. We could do monuments and signage and branding and create a sense of place that it does not have today. A lot of people don't even know where Midtown College Station is. That's a testament to the failure of everyone involved really. We could rebrand the water tower next to the hospital Midtown College Station. Lord knows we get enough complaints about that one. That would ensure everyone knew where our Midtown was whether you lived there or not. To me it's really pretty embarrassing that we invested so much in this project and people don't even know it's there. We could rebrand Texas Independence Park to simply Midtown Park. We could also build a small community center/rec center there.

Yet a third option would be to go big as the developer is proposing. We do indeed have two studies underway. One is for a robust city recreation center and another for a convention center. The Developer is proposing that they both go there, along with an indoor outdoor waterpark like Great Wolf Lodge.

I don't know what the answer is, but with all this as background, I would love to hear what the bosses have to say. Thoughts?

Respectfully

Yancy '95
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UhOhNoAgTag
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Have you communicated this to the developer and the young lady who coordinated the group's participation? I don't think people who post here live on Midtown.
woodiewood1
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UhOhNoAgTag said:

I can't post a photo, but how the homeowners were notified was a notice in the Bryan Eagle. LOL.

And Logan Lee is on the Board!
It should have been, and probably was, on the closing documents when the homeowners purchased their house. Same with HOA fees, MUD taxes, etc. If a homeowner didn't notice it, they should have had an attorney review the docs.

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Bob Yancy said:

Midtown College Station was a passion of a prior council(s). The area does hold tremendous potential to be an extraordinary district with a unique identity. That potential is unrealized. The homeowners there bought into their neighborhood believing it would be much more than what it is, and they paid more than double the property taxes the rest of us do on that belief. It's a frustrating situation. I understand why they're not satisfied. I'm not either.

The good news is no party appears to be in material breach of the various agreements; the infrastructure is top notch; a very cool park is going in about a mile away; the neighborhood and neighbors have a great vibe and there's a sense of camaraderie. There also happens to be a best-in-class health system anchored there. Costco is doing its thing, and there's an exciting development pending just north of it.

What we're missing is optimism and partnership between the developer and city hall. The developer didn't want this to become his career project- he just wanted to build homes. The city wanted Midtown and a YMCA and a walkable downtown and all the rest of it, and wouldn't take no for an answer. Thereafter, once the incentives were in place, the city walked away, having fulfilled its contractual obligations, and said good luck.

At the same time the city wanted exciting growth in that area, it began adopting an ethos of constraint on growth across the city. Perhaps that's not entirely fair… more like "if you want to do business here you're welcome, but be prepared to pay a steep entry fee to do so." That strategy has proven to be incompatible with Midtown- and a lot of other things.

So we have an area with good bones and lots of potential, but the residents are unhappy and spending too much in taxes, and the Developer is unhappy that his original plan he feels was hijacked, and the city is shrugging their shoulders and saying we did what we said we would do…and by the four corners of the agreement, the city did.

That's how we got here.

The question now is what to do next? I don't have a specific policy position yet. It's another conundrum. We have definitely lost a lot of time. Had both parties kept their enthusiasm and pursued it together on complimentary tracks, who knows where we might be today- but we did not.

We could dissolve the MMD and somehow resolve the infrastructure debt. That way the residents of the area would have their tax burden cut in half. The land would develop naturally over time by the private sector.

In the alternative, we could take measured steps to put it back on track. We could prioritize on the capital plan the completion of Town Lake boulevard to the highway and thus create four hard corners at the intersection of Town Lake and Midtown Drive. We could do monuments and signage and branding and create a sense of place that it does not have today. A lot of people don't even know where Midtown College Station is. That's a testament to the failure of everyone involved really. We could rebrand the water tower next to the hospital Midtown College Station. Lord knows we get enough complaints about that one. That would ensure everyone knew where our Midtown was whether you lived there or not. To me it's really pretty embarrassing that we invested so much in this project and people don't even know it's there. We could rebrand Texas Independence Park to simply Midtown Park. We could also build a small community center/rec center there.

Yet a third option would be to go big as the developer is proposing. We do indeed have two studies underway. One is for a robust city recreation center and another for a convention center. The Developer is proposing that they both go there, along with an indoor outdoor waterpark like Great Wolf Lodge.

I don't know what the answer is, but with all this as background, I would love to hear what the bosses have to say. Thoughts?

Respectfully

Yancy '95

We could dissolve the MMD and somehow resolve the infrastructure debt. That way the residents of the area would have their tax burden cut in half. The land would develop naturally over time by the private sector.

This is exactly what needs to be done.

I can see the need for a community rec center with indoor and outdoor swimming opportunities. Follow the design of the one in the much smaller city of Brenham., If you haven't been there, you need to take a visit to it. I think a rec center would be a great addition to the area. Not sure if Midtown is the best location?

As far as a convention center. What do you think will attract people here for a convention rather than Houston or Austin or even Waco?

Waco has announced a development plan includes new $50 million park and minor league ballpark near their convention center and River Walk. With all the other attractive activities there, If I was scheduling a convention (and I did schedule about 25 when with A&M), They have a couple of dozen attractions that we don't have including an airport with more access from out of town. I sure would pick Waco over College Station.

I am afraid that our convention center would end up being quarterly gun shows and area-wide garage sales.

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UhOhNoAgTag said:

Have you communicated this to the developer and the young lady who coordinated the group's participation? I don't think people who post here live on Midtown.
Huh?

There are several regular posters on here that live in that neighborhood.

Where do people come up with some of the stuff they post on here?
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I was referring to the 30% increase from 50 cents to 65 cents last year.

Who reads the Eagle? Like they couldn't send a courtesy notice to the homeowners? I know what they did is legal, but at that rate, direct notification would have been better.
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