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Oh, and the part about less money from the state isn't necessarily true as they make it up in other areas, such as increased property values due to the amount of construction in the district.

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My property value increased by about $4000 in 2013 compared to 2012. But I paid $700 less in property taxes because all of my tax rates went down. I don't live in the city limits but in 2012 the bisd rate was 1.52 per $100. In 2013 it's 1.45. The numbers have been manipulated every year so that I don't complain too much about what I'm paying.
I think bisd and bell county have some of the lowest rates and values in the state, but I don't want to spend the time looking it up. More construction doesn't increase values, it just gives you more inventory to tax. It also gives the district more kids to provide classrooms for.

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Couldn't disagree more......Belton considers itself THE elite school district in Bell County. Just ask anyone that has kids in BISD or who works there. Besides, that is where anyone who is anyone, Scott & White admin, Wilson Art or Mclane Execs,etc lives. Heck, doesn't the Temple supt even reside in Belton???

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Belton considers itself elite due to the quality of education and the willingness of the district to provide classrooms and staff to keep up with demand. That elitism seems to transfer to the expectations of winning in football.
If you take a drive down ave d, miller heights, areas of Moffat, Morgan's point, stillhouse, etc...you'll see why half the kids qualify for free/reduced lunches. I don't think midway, Westlake, have too many of those neighborhoods that are populated with lots of kids and not much tax revenue.

I have many friends that I graduated with that live in academy isd. I sorta wished I had built there instead of bisd but my kids are past the age of changing schools, imo. But that's just me because I went thru 6 different schools until highschool, and no I wasn't raised in the military.

"I think bisd and bell county have some of the lowest rates and values in the state"

Most districts in the area and State are probably around the $1.50 mark give or take a nickel. Only one that comes to mind in central Texas that is drastically lower is Rosebudd-Lott (which is puzzling as well since they surely don't have a large tax base)

I will say, if your property value went up but amount of tax you paid went down that is an indication of growth in the district as well as good financial management by the district.

"If you take a drive down ave d, miller heights, areas of Moffat, Morgan's point, stillhouse, etc...you'll see why half the kids qualify for free/reduced lunches."

Agreed as I know all these areas well, but these type homes aren't "growing" in Belton. It is the $150K and up that are being built by the bucket load weekly. They aren't building "projects", at least not that I've seen.

"I have many friends that I graduated with that live in academy isd. I sorta wished I had built there instead of bisd"

I see Academy as the BISD of years gone by. They are starting to experience growth and are also in my opinion having some issues dealing with it. Can't for the life of me figure out how they went from being Exemplary a few years ago to now being on the PEG list.

I might need to state that I feel all of the schools we have discussed are excellent schools. NO district is without some issues. There is NO utopia.

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I might need to state that I feel all of the schools we have discussed are excellent schools. NO district is without some issues. There is NO utopia.

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Of course not. You rarely have your cake and eat it too. So for now, Belton sucks in football, but thrives in other areas.

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Agreed as I know all these areas well, but these type homes aren't "growing" in Belton. It is the $150K and up that are being built by the bucket load weekly. They aren't building "projects", at least not that I've seen.

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No, but the admin could have done a better job with the new middle school boundaries. We will go to SBMS. And I'm fine with that. But I imagine some parents aren't and will fight to move their kids north by transfer requests.

No knowledge of the boundaries issues so I will take your word on that.

No matter how many times y'all make Midway out to be some Beverly Hills'esque sea of wealth, and BISD a poverty stricken ghetto --- it is not true

I posted the Midway demographic profile and it is not that different than Belton. And yes, there IS old, poor residential areas in the Midway district . Lots if them. Just drive around.

As for Belton ISD, if you call its residents "poor", you don't know "poor"

Miller Heights, moffatt, Yettie Polk -- small potatoes within that district

The area is solidly middle class, with a lot of wealthy residents.

A sea of new housing out West Adams, 317, Loop 121, Ave D is solidly middle class... As are large established subdivisions near BHS, belton dam, turtle creek, and the 2271/Adams area

And there are MANY areas off 439, West Adams, 2410, 317, that are wealthy and more are being built

The notion that, overall, Belton kids are comparatively disadvantaged simply does not hold water

There are a FEW poor areas, but that district overall is solidly middle class and upper middle class...







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No, but the admin could have done a better job with the new middle school boundaries. We will go to SBMS. And I'm fine with that. But I imagine some parents aren't and will fight to move their kids north by transfer requests.

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SB is a good school. I know several people whose kids go there and they love it.

Why would people "fight" to go somewhere else?





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SBMS is a great school. Best principal in the district there.

I have heard that from a very good friend about the principle. I value her opinion and glad to see it's shared.

Captain, I gotta disagree about Belton and Midway being equal. 30% economically disadvantaged vs 50% is not the same. The demographic differences are way different. For example, 7% of Belton has limited English proficiency compared to 4% of Midway. Probably because Belton is 32% hispanic and Midway is 21%. 11% of the students are african american vs 6.5% in Belton. They are different.

It's not a difference significant enough to explain why midway is good in football and belton is not.

Using those numbers, midway has 1400 non disadvantaged, belton has 1500

They're not night and day

Belton, overall, is not poverty stricken

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But even so, how does all that add up to midway, at 2100 students being badass, and belton, at 3000 students, being so terrible?

I don't know. Commitment to coaches? Grades? Lost interest after middle school? The good ones move away? Who knows.

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Couldn't disagree more......Belton considers itself THE elite school district in Bell County. Just ask anyone that has kids in BISD or who works there. Besides, that is where anyone who is anyone, Scott & White admin, Wilson Art or Mclane Execs,etc lives. Heck, doesn't the Temple supt even reside in Belton???

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Travis County> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bell County

There's no contest between the two. Belton may be the premier school of Bell County, but that's like being the tallest midget.

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Travis County>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Bell County

There's no contest between the two. Belton may be the premier school of Bell County, but that's like being the tallest midget.

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Maybe. But I'll take my bell county tax appraisal over what it would be in Travis county ANY day of the week. Schools are good here. I could care less about hs football. Hard to have it all.

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I'll take the county with lower property taxes and housing, a 20 commute to anywhere if want to be, and the lack of hippies, yuppies, panhandlers, hipsters, communist policies, and Longhorns.

You couldn't pay me enough to live in Travis County.

Well that's not true but it'd have to be enough to buy 200 acres out of town.

Well, you two are doing nothing but circumventing the point of my post. It wasn't a pissing match about Travis County and Bell County. I was just stating that the amount of resources to be put into a school district (Especially Eanes ISD) far exceeds what's available in Belton and Bell County.

Well the median income for a family at Eanes ISD is a million dollars.... So yeah they can do a little more w their tax money.

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I was just stating that the amount of resources to be put into a school district (Especially Eanes ISD) far exceeds what's available in Belton and Bell County.

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I know and I agree. If a good coach can win with any demographic of students he has, then Belton needs to find him. Find a successful coach in a similar district and steal him away. And then hire a separate ad. Money shouldn't be a problem.

Back to the topic at hand....word on who is interviewing???

There's a guy down in College Station... But I don't think BISD, TISD, KISD combined could muster enough money to convince him to come here.

Johnny Football is gonna be the new Belton coach?!!?!!!!!!

Oh wait. Are you talking about Billy Kennedy?

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No Gillespie. They love him in cove.

A little late to the party but rumor is Rhoades makes over 100,000 now and isn't going anywhere. His daughters will be a junior and senior next year so i dont know that the timing would be right. He almoat left for Bastrop after the 2010 run but his oldest daughter was about to be a senior. Actually you may be surprised how many wouldn't mind seeing him go.

The comment about Cameron not accepting anything but winners is basically true. The girls program would be the only weakness but it is changing. The new girls basketball coach started a summer conditioning program for the girls and that seemed to help. It will take time though.

With the retirement of our golf coach expected, I just hope they replace him with someone that knows the sport.

Yoe Pride never dies. Back 2 back state champs.

Late to this party, but Midway has been fortunate to have some athletic kids (football specifically) move to the district from Waco ISD. Why? I'm not exactly sure, but I think that parents and kids think they will get a better education if they move to Midway instead of staying at Waco.

What if 25% of Temple's most gifted athletes moved over to Belton? Would they be a perennial power? I think so. And I think this is one difference in Midway and Belton in football.

All that said, with the population Belton had, they should still perform at a higher rate than they do in football.

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Late to this party, but Midway has been fortunate to have some athletic kids (football specifically) move to the district from Waco ISD. Why? I'm not exactly sure, but I think that parents and kids think they will get a better education if they move to Midway instead of staying at Waco.

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Are these families moving after the kid has already started high school? Or when the kid is little? If the latter, I don't see how that's different that anywhere else. People move to different districts all the time if they think the schools are better

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What if 25% of Temple's most gifted athletes moved over to Belton? Would they be a perennial power? I think so.

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Is that happening in Waco? 25% of Waco ISD's best athletes have moved to midway?

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People have left TISD and moved to Belton ISD in droves.

If you're a Temple High grad and want to run into a few of your old friends, just head on over to a belton football game. A zillion Temple High grads in the stands ---- watching their kid play on the team, in the band, drill team....

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I'll argue it. Belton has not always had this population. To act as if they should be a perennial power house is crazy. Look at temple playing hutto hippos next year. 20 years ago hutto was barely 3a. When ramonce came to Belton it was our gain, temple's loss. When Stafford moved to Belton from temple, well, I wouldn't pee on him or his son if both were on fire. It's cyclical, but Belton can't even stay on the bike.

Good grief what did they do to you to warrant such hateful talk?

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Well Mr Stafford ruined moral around the program. And treated every body like crap. My brother and all his teammates were ready to quit until he left and Belton hired coach rod and we went to regionals his first year. And perhaps you remember this guy



From this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4NUxFE2oJ-M&feature=youtube_gdata_player

What a tool. Not much for rumors on a free board. But I don't like Jr.

Edit for Wrong pic.

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