A good read. Thanks for posting.

So the owner of the Waco twin peaks owns the one in Killeen too.

Pretty good friends with one of the female managers. Cops came in and told her that there could be problems, so please call them if needed. The police then stayed close by just in case. The police never warned of a situation that could escalate into anything like this. They have had these before. All,in all, wpd threw management under the bus. If they felt that strong about the situation, they could have EASILY cleared out the place.

Sad situation for people that are out jobs.

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Pretty good friends with one of the female managers. Cops came in and told her that there could be problems, so please call them if needed. The police then stayed close by just in case. The police never warned of a situation that could escalate into anything like this. They have had these before. All,in all, wpd threw management under the bus. If they felt that strong about the situation, they could have EASILY cleared out the place.

Sad situation for people that are out jobs.

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There was a story on KWTX on May 7th talking about the increasing problem with biker gangs at Twin Peaks. That interview made it obvious that Twin Peaks management wasn't interested in working with the police.

It's now hard to say that the police threw the management under the bus when it appears that the management didn't cooperate and had been cooperating as things escalated over the previous month.

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Pretty good friends with one of the female managers. Cops came in and told her that there could be problems, so please call them if needed. The police then stayed close by just in case. The police never warned of a situation that could escalate into anything like this. They have had these before. All,in all, wpd threw management under the bus. If they felt that strong about the situation, they could have EASILY cleared out the place.

Sad situation for people that are out jobs.

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There was a story on KWTX on May 7th talking about the increasing problem with biker gangs at Twin Peaks. That interview made it obvious that Twin Peaks management wasn't interested in working with the police.

It's now hard to say that the police threw the management under the bus when it appears that the management didn't cooperate and had been cooperating as things escalated over the previous month.

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Working with police, how? That was my point. Yes, the police did warn TP, but that was it. They didn't tell management to clear the place or stop with "rallies". If this would have happened at Applebee's or Chilis, there wouldn't be this type of backlash.

Not sure, but I doubt the police could have forced TP to shut down. My guess is they strongly urged TP to not let them assemble.

If I'm TP and can't learn from what happened at McDonald's on University Drive in College Station, I probably should be digging a ditch or shining shoes for a living. If I can learn, here's what I do: Ask the police to send a dozen officers to my place of business on Sunday morning. When I open, have police at my front door, then tell the bikers "sorry, we've been advised by police that having this meeting when there's bad blood between some of your groups is a bad idea".

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Not sure, but I doubt the police could have forced TP to shut down. My guess is they strongly urged TP to not let them assemble.

If I'm TP and can't learn from what happened at McDonald's on University Drive in College Station, I probably should be digging a ditch or shining shoes for a living. If I can learn, here's what I do: Ask the police to send a dozen officers to my place of business on Sunday morning. When I open, have police at my front door, then tell the bikers "sorry, we've been advised by police that having this meeting when there's bad blood between some of your groups is a bad idea".

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Agree with you. Unfortunately, the police NEVER got that "dire". If the police thought this was going down, they could has easily searched the patrons and found all the weapons. They were lazy too. Bottom line...TP could have gone the extra mile but so could have the police. I think the PR dept encouraged our police to throw management under the bus and let this VERY conservative community jump on because it was TP


Btw, what happened at McDonalds?

Warrants and reasonable suspension are enforceable. Based on what police said after the fact, they could have easily done the above. They didn't.

If I am TP management and notice ~15 uniformed officers (including a SWAT team) outside my business monitoring the premises I would probably clue into the fact that there is or is going to be a problem. All this after they had been warned by Waco PD of the issues with the bikers for several weeks leading up to this.

Let's all get honest here...TP let this continue because at the end of the day all they cared about was making $$$.

To place any blame on Waco PD is just ignorant....those guys/gals stopped what could have been allot more than 9 fatalities.

I wonder how strongly TP corporate is considering pulling that franchise from his as well.

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I wonder how strongly TP corporate is considering pulling that franchise from his as well.

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They've lost both of their franchises, Waco & Harker Heights/Killeen.

There was speculation in the rumor mill (all of you know how Waco is) that the Bandidos may or may not have had a behind the scenes stake in the restaurants.

This would not surprise me from the little I know of that group. They owned a couple of places in Houston that you would not know they owned.

Let me clarify. I am not saying it was the polices fault....AT ALL. I am just telling you one of the managers ( who I trust and is a hard working person), said the police warned them, but it was by no means a " this sheat is about to blow up" type of warning. My friend wasn't very comfortable with all those bikers in there, but were stuck as to what to do. Again, the police weren't emphatic about the situation like they came off on the news. That's all I am saying. Now if they had said something to the owner, I have no clue. Maybe that's what the Sgt. Was referring to. It sure wasn't emphasize to this manager. For the record, the wife and I were about at Newk's on our way to lunch...at Don Carlos

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Short story: Typical late night crowd was a bunch of thugs that went there after the hip hop clubs shut down for the evening. Circa 2012, four white students roll in from out of town and stop to get something to eat. One or two of them are beaten senseless with severe injuries. One of the four gets the victims back into the car, hauls ass to the emergency room, has a wreck and two of them are killed.

Parents sue McDonalds and are awarded $27 million. My first thought when the verdict was announced was "how was McDonalds at fault"? Then we find out that over the preceding year or so that this type of crowd had assembled there and police were called to the McDonalds for over 20 incidents. Bottom line: If that were my restaurant and I knew what the crowd was like at that hour, and if police are called that many times, I'm hiring my own security, hiring off duty police, shutting down before the clubs close, or all of the above. Most people in business know the liabilities for premises negligence. In short, they made a very poor business decision, and so did Twin Peaks.

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Short story: Typical late night crowd was a bunch of thugs that went there after the hip hop clubs shut down for the evening. Circa 2012, four white students roll in from out of town and stop to get something to eat. One or two of them are beaten senseless with severe injuries. One of the four gets the victims back into the car, hauls ass to the emergency room, has a wreck and two of them are killed.

Parents sue McDonalds and are awarded $27 million. My first thought when the verdict was announced was "how was McDonalds at fault"? Then we find out that over the preceding year or so that this type of crowd had assembled there and police were called to the McDonalds for over 20 incidents. Bottom line: If that were my restaurant and I knew what the crowd was like at that hour, and if police are called that many times, I'm hiring my own security, hiring off duty police, shutting down before the clubs close, or all of the above. Most people in business know the liabilities for premises negligence. In short, they made a very poor business decision, and so did Twin Peaks.

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Damn. I know I am WAY in the minority, but I just think that the wpd is using this as a major PR positive for them. It's no secret that police depts around the country could use this. Then the topper was this morning when they release this fluff piece about "Waco strong".

Was TP at fault? Yep. Were the bikers at fault? Yep. But the police dept is milking the "we are heroes and want to protect the public" piece..

Bash away

I know many officers , too. Good and bad. I will say that as these lawsuits come rolling in, I think we will see that the white knights weren't quite that. They did a great job, zero doubt there, however time will tell on the "TP ignored our warnings"

Last post on this, because I don't want it to sound I am anti police. I have just heard a much different story.

I agree with piag here the official narrative has been controlled by the police. A large percentage of the eye witnesses were arrested and Waco PD went immediately on the offensive against TP. Something doesn't completely add up, it may be completely harmless but may be something, especially if PD was embedded in the gangs undercover or otherwise. It will be interesting to know 1) how many of the dead were killed by Police 2) how many of those dead had firearms on their person

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I agree with piag here the official narrative has been controlled by the police. A large percentage of the eye witnesses were arrested and Waco PD went immediately on the offensive against TP. Something doesn't completely add up, it may be completely harmless but may be something, especially if PD was embedded in the gangs undercover or otherwise. It will be interesting to know 1) how many of the dead were killed by Police 2) how many of those dead had firearms on there person

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Again, go look at the KWTX interview with Sgt. Swanton from May 7th. At that time the police were saying that TP wasn't cooperative.

I doubt the cops knew that a mass murder was going to happen 10 days in advance.

The eyewitnesses are laying it at the feet of the Cossacks.

My personal opinion is that the narrative is being controlled not by the cops, but by the Bandidos.

http://www.wacotrib.com/news/twin-peaks-biker-shooting/only-of-slain-in-twin-peaks-shootout-from-waco-witnesses/article_04745208-8210-54cd-811c-2989f0447951.html

I'll chime in, but not about the police.....

The article said it was a banditos meeting, which is a fact. The Cossacks showed up to fight. These meetings have been held MANY times before....without incident. I can promise you, that was the thought of management.

Here's my understanding:

The Bandidos are a shakedown organization, where you pay tribute to them to be able to ride as a motorcycle outfit in Texas or you get the sh-t beat out of you. They masquerade as a legitimate organization, but everyone knows what happens if you don't pay tribute and respect them, as evidenced by the pages and pages of "rules" you have to follow when around these guys who have somehow earned it.

The Cossacks did not do this, and thus incurred their wrath....although these guys are obviously criminals and not very smart to pick this fight in the first place, given the fact of where they did it, and the fact that they probably knew what would happen given that no one has really ever challenged the Bandidos successfully.

All of that, and the fact that they have never had an incident at one of these "meetings" STILL does not totally exonerate the management of the local restaurant for okaying one of these meetings in a restaurant in a crowded shopping center at Sunday at noon given the current environment among the Bandidos and the Cossacks, and given the history of the way those organizations operate in general.

I think if you believe it was okay, you are buying into what it is those groups want you to buy into...that they are legitimate organizations that buy toys at Christmas for kids and are as pure as the driven snow....it's sort of like the image the mob portrays.


Again, that's my VERY uninformed opinion, based on what I've read. And again, it sounds like the Cossacks did something VERY, VERY stupid here.

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BREAKING: Waco police now say they've found as many as 1000 weapons at Twin Peaks, including an AK-47. Many were hidden in toilets, food.

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Care to discuss this again?

Both gangs are 100% criminal and thugs. No doubt bout that.

My posts yesterday just reflected the old saying, "there are two sides to every story (wpd & mgmt) and the truth is somewhere in the middle"

The story I tend to believe:
1. WPD warned mgmt about an escalation of two punk gangs
2. TP has had these meetings before with ZERO issue, so they allowed it to occur. Prob not the smartest of customers to have, but they have never given mgmt any issue. As a matter of fact, they had been pretty normal.
3. Cops hang around knowing what might happen and ALLOW these guys to enter. If the cops did in fact know this was about to go down, they should have stepped in before hand with is completely within their power. Especially if they knew it was about to happen (according to the Sargent)

So ask yourself this.....if you were there or at don Carlos and you later found out the police KNEW this was about to go down and they waited for bullets to fly, wouldn't you wonder why the police didn't step in earlier ? its a terrible situation, but my point yesterday (maybe clear as mud) was that the police exaggerated about how "great" they were.

Yeah I don't know man. And I don't mean to seem like an ass to you, as I respect you as a poster. I actually like this discourse here. It's an odd situation for sure.

No doubt, I love to hear others opinion and respect the back and forth.

Question for ya: best guess, what do you think the police told TP that morning beforehand?

I don't know man. It's obvious I tend to side on believing the police here.

For the record, I tend to think the truth is somewhere in the middle.

Agreed, truth is somewhere in the middle.

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BREAKING: Waco police now say they've found as many as 1000 weapons at Twin Peaks, including an AK-47. Many were hidden in toilets, food.

Again this is from the police controlled narrative. What are the 1000 weapons? 192 arrested, that 5 weapons per man! Are they counting beer bottles, pocket knives and wallet chains? The key figure for me will be guns and knives, especially among the injured and dead.