Self driving is finally here. The drive does have to be alert to take over, but for the most part they can sit back and let the car drive. How is this revolutionary tech not experiencing a mad dash to be obtained. Stop and go traffic is solved.
Just watched some Tesla FSD videos. Why isn't there a mad dash to get this feature?
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I think the momentum will start to shift. A year ago I would never have though about getting a Tesla...After recently shopping for a new ride for the wife we ended up with a Model Y. I couldn't really convince myself there was a better overall package for the total cost of ownership. We have had it for 3 weeks and there are countless days I wish I could FSD that thing down 290 to work instead of taking my F-250!
Politics.
The hard Left loved Tesla and wanted to save the planet, alienating the right.
Now they say Elon is a Nazi and hate everything Tesla, but the right still don't love EV's.
The hard Left loved Tesla and wanted to save the planet, alienating the right.
Now they say Elon is a Nazi and hate everything Tesla, but the right still don't love EV's.
We bought a Y in November and FSD is truly incredible. There's nothing like it and it'll take years for everyone to catch up. Ultimately I think the legacy car manufacturers will try to license it from Tesla because I just don't see how they ever catch up organically. I've read Tesla has over a billion miles of training data and I believe it. I'll go entire drives where I don't intervene. I've done 1-1/2 of highway driving without ever touching the car. Lane changes. Parking lots. Pedestrians. Lights. Stop signs. It's incredible. The one thing it isn't good at is "seeing" speed limit signs against the sky. They get lost in wispy clouds. Even then you just adjust its max to what the speed limit actually is and it does what you tell it.
It really is an incredible system.
It really is an incredible system.
The federal government was never meant to be this powerful.
Yes it's intriguing but do people not enjoy driving, control and combustible horsepower? Serious question.
So is there a hazard of nodding off at the wheel since you are no longer doing anything. I did Houston to CS for three weeks daily many decades ago. It was a struggle sometimes to stay alert given how monotonous the scenery got.LOYAL AG said:
We bought a Y in November and FSD is truly incredible. There's nothing like it and it'll take years for everyone to catch up. Ultimately I think the legacy car manufacturers will try to license it from Tesla because I just don't see how they ever catch up organically. I've read Tesla has over a billion miles of training data and I believe it. I'll go entire drives where I don't intervene. I've done 1-1/2 of highway driving without ever touching the car. Lane changes. Parking lots. Pedestrians. Lights. Stop signs. It's incredible. The one thing it isn't good at is "seeing" speed limit signs against the sky. They get lost in wispy clouds. Even then you just adjust its max to what the speed limit actually is and it does what you tell it.
It really is an incredible system.
ezmoney said:
Yes it's intriguing but do people not enjoy driving, control and combustible horsepower? Serious question.
Letting the car drive really if less tiring. On long trips I get there less "road weary ". No, I don't need control. I need to get there safely and is good at that. And the horsepower is better in a Y than anything in the price and size category. Pin you to your seat acceleration and it's instant. No downshift and no wind up. Press the pedal and it goes. Hard.
The federal government was never meant to be this powerful.
lancevance said:So is there a hazard of nodding off at the wheel since you are no longer doing anything. I did Houston to CS for three weeks daily many decades ago. It was a struggle sometimes to stay alert given how monotonous the scenery got.LOYAL AG said:
We bought a Y in November and FSD is truly incredible. There's nothing like it and it'll take years for everyone to catch up. Ultimately I think the legacy car manufacturers will try to license it from Tesla because I just don't see how they ever catch up organically. I've read Tesla has over a billion miles of training data and I believe it. I'll go entire drives where I don't intervene. I've done 1-1/2 of highway driving without ever touching the car. Lane changes. Parking lots. Pedestrians. Lights. Stop signs. It's incredible. The one thing it isn't good at is "seeing" speed limit signs against the sky. They get lost in wispy clouds. Even then you just adjust its max to what the speed limit actually is and it does what you tell it.
It really is an incredible system.
It actually watches your eyes to make sure you're paying attention and if you don't for too long it'll sound alarms and turn it off. It won't let you pick up your phone even.
The federal government was never meant to be this powerful.
Got a MY with FSD, just got a MX with FSD. People think FSD is overpriced but It will look like a bargain in the next few years.
FSD on the highway is almost flawless. City, prob 50-60% of the time just because I am more aggressive. Maybe I need to set it at aggressive mode rather than standard.
It is great when I am eating. Hands free, eat with both hands.
I have had FSD for 4 years and the advancement is dramatic. Robotaxi supposed to be in Austin this summer. I bet full autonomous will be available in 2 yrs. People who compares this to Waymo do not understand the difference.
I get the left hates Musk and will never get a Tesla. The right hates anything green. But you can't get much similar in their price range vs a Tsla.
The MY is good, the MX is an amazing car with air suspension.
FSD on the highway is almost flawless. City, prob 50-60% of the time just because I am more aggressive. Maybe I need to set it at aggressive mode rather than standard.
It is great when I am eating. Hands free, eat with both hands.
I have had FSD for 4 years and the advancement is dramatic. Robotaxi supposed to be in Austin this summer. I bet full autonomous will be available in 2 yrs. People who compares this to Waymo do not understand the difference.
I get the left hates Musk and will never get a Tesla. The right hates anything green. But you can't get much similar in their price range vs a Tsla.
The MY is good, the MX is an amazing car with air suspension.
I'd use FSD more if it would hold 85 in the express lane
ezmoney said:
Yes it's intriguing but do people not enjoy driving, control and combustible horsepower? Serious question.
This guy. I enjoy every moment of driving and don't understand why people don't want to deal with driving when they're driving.
I want control, RWD, ICE, exhaust note, and never have too much HP.
Teslas look like some sort of generic government-issued vehicles.
Impossible to sustain without removing the non-native American drivers from the freeways.GAC06 said:
I'd use FSD more if it would hold 85 in the express lane
I assume FSD doesn't have a "pass on the right to get around this person who has no business being in the left lane" option.
There's a Model 3 poster on here who has bragged repeatedly about "playing around on his phone" while using FSD. So maybe that restriction is version dependent.LOYAL AG said:lancevance said:So is there a hazard of nodding off at the wheel since you are no longer doing anything. I did Houston to CS for three weeks daily many decades ago. It was a struggle sometimes to stay alert given how monotonous the scenery got.LOYAL AG said:
We bought a Y in November and FSD is truly incredible. There's nothing like it and it'll take years for everyone to catch up. Ultimately I think the legacy car manufacturers will try to license it from Tesla because I just don't see how they ever catch up organically. I've read Tesla has over a billion miles of training data and I believe it. I'll go entire drives where I don't intervene. I've done 1-1/2 of highway driving without ever touching the car. Lane changes. Parking lots. Pedestrians. Lights. Stop signs. It's incredible. The one thing it isn't good at is "seeing" speed limit signs against the sky. They get lost in wispy clouds. Even then you just adjust its max to what the speed limit actually is and it does what you tell it.
It really is an incredible system.
It actually watches your eyes to make sure you're paying attention and if you don't for too long it'll sound alarms and turn it off. It won't let you pick up your phone even.
Nom de Plume said:ezmoney said:
Yes it's intriguing but do people not enjoy driving, control and combustible horsepower? Serious question.
This guy. I enjoy every moment of driving and don't understand why people don't want to deal with driving when they're driving.
I want control, RWD, ICE, exhaust note, and never have too much HP.
Teslas look like some sort of generic government-issued vehicles.
But how will I fit in while shopping at Costco
ezmoney said:
Yes it's intriguing but do people not enjoy driving, control and combustible horsepower? Serious question.
This plus a family of 6 plus a trailer, tractor, camper, road trips, and a handful of other reasons are why I'll stick with ICE for a long time.
HollywoodBQ said:There's a Model 3 poster on here who has bragged repeatedly about "playing around on his phone" while using FSD. So maybe that restriction is version dependent.LOYAL AG said:lancevance said:So is there a hazard of nodding off at the wheel since you are no longer doing anything. I did Houston to CS for three weeks daily many decades ago. It was a struggle sometimes to stay alert given how monotonous the scenery got.LOYAL AG said:
We bought a Y in November and FSD is truly incredible. There's nothing like it and it'll take years for everyone to catch up. Ultimately I think the legacy car manufacturers will try to license it from Tesla because I just don't see how they ever catch up organically. I've read Tesla has over a billion miles of training data and I believe it. I'll go entire drives where I don't intervene. I've done 1-1/2 of highway driving without ever touching the car. Lane changes. Parking lots. Pedestrians. Lights. Stop signs. It's incredible. The one thing it isn't good at is "seeing" speed limit signs against the sky. They get lost in wispy clouds. Even then you just adjust its max to what the speed limit actually is and it does what you tell it.
It really is an incredible system.
It actually watches your eyes to make sure you're paying attention and if you don't for too long it'll sound alarms and turn it off. It won't let you pick up your phone even.
Yeah I'd have to question that. Mine literally called me out for it this week. Stopped at a light no less. The first thing it does when it thinks you aren't paying attention is flash the screen blue to get your attention. When it's flashing it'll put a note to please pay attention to the road. The other day it flashed and put up something like "device detected in hand". Once it flashes if it doesn't see you return your attention to the road it will turn itself off. It makes a big deal about doing it but it won't let you stop paying attention to the road. The truth is I pay more attention to the road when it's driving then when I am. Bonus I never miss my exit because I'm more focused on the phone call than where I'm at.
The federal government was never meant to be this powerful.
Medaggie said:
Got a MY with FSD, just got a MX with FSD. People think FSD is overpriced but It will look like a bargain in the next few years.
FSD on the highway is almost flawless. City, prob 50-60% of the time just because I am more aggressive. Maybe I need to set it at aggressive mode rather than standard.
It is great when I am eating. Hands free, eat with both hands.
I have had FSD for 4 years and the advancement is dramatic. Robotaxi supposed to be in Austin this summer. I bet full autonomous will be available in 2 yrs. People who compares this to Waymo do not understand the difference.
I get the left hates Musk and will never get a Tesla. The right hates anything green. But you can't get much similar in their price range vs a Tsla.
The MY is good, the MX is an amazing car with air suspension.
Elon has said full autonomous will be available in Texas and California this year. Part of it is legal hurdles that are set at the state and local levels for how autonomous a car can be. Right now it's not autonomous even in self driving mode because the driver is required to pay attention. Making that last leap to fully autonomous is apparently a pretty big hurdle in some states.
Robotaxi is supposed to be in Austin this summer but it's going to follow the Waymo model of only driving in a geofenced area and not leaving that boundary.
The federal government was never meant to be this powerful.
Naveronski said:
Politics.
The hard Left loved Tesla and wanted to save the planed, alienating the right.
Now they say Elon is a Nazi and hate everything Tesla, but the right still don't love EV's.
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Very much I enjoy my analog 98 986 when climbing the twisties going up the back way to Big Bear Lake.ezmoney said:
Yes it's intriguing but do people not enjoy driving, control and combustible horsepower? Serious question.
Self driving? No fun in that. That's a job for Uber.
I'd rather drive a slow car fast, than a fast car slow.LOYAL AG said:ezmoney said:
Yes it's intriguing but do people not enjoy driving, control and combustible horsepower? Serious question.
Letting the car drive really if less tiring. On long trips I get there less "road weary ". No, I don't need control. I need to get there safely and is good at that. And the horsepower is better in a Y than anything in the price and size category. Pin you to your seat acceleration and it's instant. No downshift and no wind up. Press the pedal and it goes. Hard.
I don't like FSD in my model 3 because I found it unreliable during trial periods. The phantom braking and lack of knowing the speed on the road was very annoying. That combined with the price is a deal breaker for me. I also enjoy driving.
I use it on the freeway when I get the occasional free month of FSD but I get nervous w/ the lane changes as I don't want to cut people off in Houston traffic. I don't use it off the freeway much as I'm worried about scratching my rims with the super low profile tires that are skinnier than the metal.
As for passing people on the right, it will do that if someone is driving slow in the left lane. It will also get out of the left lane if someone is on your @ss, even if there's a left lane camper in front of you.
Since there's talk of driving feedback, the corvette-level acceleration is cool and I can fit 5 people in the car and a full load of CostCo shopping in the back & frunk. Rides sucks driving the MYP on busted Houston streets.
As for passing people on the right, it will do that if someone is driving slow in the left lane. It will also get out of the left lane if someone is on your @ss, even if there's a left lane camper in front of you.
Since there's talk of driving feedback, the corvette-level acceleration is cool and I can fit 5 people in the car and a full load of CostCo shopping in the back & frunk. Rides sucks driving the MYP on busted Houston streets.
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Nom de Plume said:ezmoney said:
Yes it's intriguing but do people not enjoy driving, control and combustible horsepower? Serious question.
This guy. I enjoy every moment of driving and don't understand why people don't want to deal with driving when they're driving.
I want control, RWD, ICE, exhaust note, and never have too much HP.
Teslas look like some sort of generic government-issued vehicles.
My last car was a RWD 470hp V8, and it wasn't nearly as fun to drive in my opinion
that poster is using just the auto steer feature where you don't have to have the cabin camera turned on. The FSD feature will not let you play on your phone.
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I agree a little. I don't like it currently because you have to pay attention. If it will allow you to completely zone out or nap then I don't care if it it a few minutes slower or whatever.PMD03 said:
I don't like FSD in my model 3 because I found it unreliable during trial periods. The phantom braking and lack of knowing the speed on the road was very annoying. That combined with the price is a deal breaker for me. I also enjoy driving.
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JAW3336 said:
that poster is using just the auto steer feature where you don't have to have the cabin camera turned on. The FSD feature will not let you play on your phone.
I use enhanced autopilot, which I think is what you're talking about, and the nanny alarms are way more annoying than when on FSD. Only basic cruise control doesn't monitor you.
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JAW3336 said:
that poster is using just the auto steer feature where you don't have to have the cabin camera turned on. The FSD feature will not let you play on your phone.
If you attach your phone to the car's screen you can stare at it all you want, according to my buddy
I don't think that is true either, in my experience it beeps at you and will disconnect if you look at the screen for more than a quick glance.
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The vast majority of people do not care or enjoy driving. They simply want to get from point A to B as fast and conveniently as possible. The minute FSD and other higher levels of autonomy become more common in cars that aren't Tesla especially in cheaper cars like the Civic and Corolla, you'll see the majority of people who would choose to be chauffeured by their robocar rather than drive themselves.ezmoney said:
Yes it's intriguing but do people not enjoy driving, control and combustible horsepower? Serious question.
I think this is true, like WTF did you put this big @ss screen here? Lol I know if you mess with the screen for more than a few seconds, like searching in spotify, on autopilot it will start warning you to pay attention and make you put pressure on the wheel.JAW3336 said:
I don't think that is true either, in my experience it beeps at you and will disconnect if you look at the screen for more than a quick glance.
I've gotten one of the bright red 'strikes' before when sending a text or email and if you get 3 or 4 you lose all driving assist. I think they expire after 2 weeks.
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Give me a fun ICE car on a windy road with no traffic, but I'll take FSD in traffic all day every day if I also have the option to self drive when it isn't being aggressive enough.cav14 said:The vast majority of people do not care or enjoy driving. They simply want to get from point A to B as fast and conveniently as possible. The minute FSD and other higher levels of autonomy become more common in cars that aren't Tesla especially in cheaper cars like the Civic and Corolla, you'll see the majority of people who would choose to be chauffeured by their robocar rather than drive themselves.ezmoney said:
Yes it's intriguing but do people not enjoy driving, control and combustible horsepower? Serious question.
I hate stop and go traffic so much I retrofitted adaptive cruise control on my Porsche.
5 strikes makes you lose FSD for a week. 1 expires every 7 days if you get 0 strikes in that 7 day period.
All of that was added due to the fing gubmint.
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Theoretically, what would it do if someone falls asleep? Or is drunk? I know that the camera would decide that after the attempts at alerting the driver with the flashing light, and then the noise, that it would turn itself off. But if someone is waking up disorientated, does it at least make sure that the car doesnt veer off into traffic at the same time?
Or lets say someone has a seizure, so is completely unresponsive for more than a few minutes? In which case, there's no ability for the driver to get back into control when it turns off the FSD. Will it pull the car over and stop itself?
Or lets say someone has a seizure, so is completely unresponsive for more than a few minutes? In which case, there's no ability for the driver to get back into control when it turns off the FSD. Will it pull the car over and stop itself?
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