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cmsaggie12 said:

Drum5343 said:

AgTex96 said:

It's not coaching. It's not the program. It's Texas A&M. The way the whole place is run. The culture. All of it.


I know you're drunk and angry… but what exactly is it that you think is keeping the program from winning?
Leadership starting with Chancellor Sharp and the board, filters down to AD, coaches, and staff.

Start new traditions.

Get rid of traditions, BS, crap that has proven to not work.


Just dumbass trolling really. "We need to stop doing yells and disband the corps because then we would win football games and then I would be a less miserable person" do you listen to yourself?

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Jackie Sheryl? Seriously? That was 40 years ago. You think anything from that era is relevant now?
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Did someone on this thread borderline blame the yell leaders for our lack of gridiron success? Laughable.

There is something to the op complaint of a defective leadership culture in the athletic dept
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Have I got good news for you. Sharp is retiring
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You don't. have to get rid of all traditions just the ones that no longer have a place in modern society like an all male "cheer" squad at a school that has over 35,000 female students. I'm sorry but the corps is not the center of the universe at A&M. The average student is what makes A&M what it is today.
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rollingwoodaggie said:

BS….get the right coach and we will win big. Now if you want to argue the people hiring the coaches is the problem I will listen.


How old are you? We've been trying to get the right coach since RC. He's been gone for 30 years
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AggieMD95 said:

Did someone on this thread borderline blame the yell leaders for our lack of gridiron success? Laughable.

There is something to the op complaint of a defective leadership culture in the athletic dept



That's always the troll complaint that if we just stopped doing Aggie things then maybe our football team wouldn't suck.
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We worry more about how we're perceived than anything else. For some reason, we act like we're destined to win a national championship. When in reality it's really damn hard too. We hire the same comfortable head coaches and expect different results. They've either been associated with the program or won big time at another power 5. Why is that? We're getting passed up by SMU and TCU…
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Texmexag said:

You don't. have to get rid of all traditions just the ones that no longer have a place in modern society like an all male "cheer" squad at a school that has over 35,000 female students. I'm sorry but the corps is not the center of the universe at A&M. The average student is what makes A&M what it is today.


Explain in detail how disbanding the yell leaders will lead to winning more football games?
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Our culture is perfectly encapsulated in our lovefest for RC. Here's a guy who went 3-8 in bowls, was under .400 against top 25 teams and under .300 agains top 10 teams. Yet because he supposedly has an "amazing" overall record, built upon the corpse of the SWC, we treat him like a god. Most programs, when they fire a coach, run him out of town. Nope, not Aggies. We let him hang out for 20+ years, give him a nice office, secretary, big salary and a fancy title. Then to top it off we allow him to play a role in bringing in two of his boys to replace the guy we replaced him with. The most **** move ever.

And all because he "gets" A&M and is a good ol' country boy that has a folksy personality. A guy whose entire career can be summed up with his famous quote thrown out after another one of his inexplicable loses, "well, half the teams lose every Saturday." That's the guy we fawn over. That's the perfect example of why our culture is a f'ing joke.
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There's melts

And then there's this post

Wow

You should be the president of the BAS club.
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Texmexag said:

Jackie Sheryl? Seriously? That was 40 years ago. You think anything from that era is relevant now?
Yeah. Winning. And a winning mentality. You don't know *****all about Coach Sherrill, you can't even spell his name right. Go ask his players. That man had the it factor
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We need a navy seal mentality not a Biden staffer..
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Texmexag said:

Jackie Sheryl? Seriously? That was 40 years ago. You think anything from that era is relevant now?

The Jackie Sherrill era was the last time we had a bigtime coach that knew how to win at A&M. That's what this thread is discussing, can a coach win with the current culture at A&M. Yes, it can be done and Jackie proved it could be done. He hired great coordinators and had a great assistants. Everybody wanted them. He also knew talent and got the players it took to build a great team.
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AgTex96 said:

And why do you think that is?


Well, for one our leadership was too arrogant to stoop to hiring Leach from tech at 1 of 3 opportunities to do so because we're too proud to admit they had the better guy. And he wasn't all squared away like he was in the corps. He actually spoke his mind and didn't give an eff.

That's not something the decision makers could bluster about to the sips in their circles. He wasn't "classy." That watchword of mediocrity we hang our hats on when we don't have anything else to brag about.
Excuse my broken record.
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For the people who want to root for an elite team so badly, I guess I don't understand why they chose to invest all of that energy and angst into Aggie football of all things. No one made you carry this cross, what made you look at Aggie Football and think you were going to get a return on that emotional investment?
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Jackie was a blast, I was there but his tenure is completely irrelevant to modern college football.
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PanzerAggie06 said:

Our culture is perfectly encapsulated in our lovefest for RC. Here's a guy who went 3-8 in bowls, was under .400 against top 25 teams and under .300 agains top 10 teams. Yet because he supposedly has an "amazing" overall record, built upon the corpse of the SWC, we treat him like a god. Most programs, when they fire a coach, run him out of town. Nope, not Aggies. We let him hang out for 20+ years, give him a nice office, secretary, big salary and a fancy title. Then to top it off we allow him to play a role in bringing in two of his boys to replace the guy we replaced him with. The most **** move ever.

And all because he "gets" A&M and is a good ol' country boy that has a folksy personality. A guy whose entire career can be summed up with his famous quote thrown out after another one of his inexplicable loses, "well, half the teams lose every Saturday." That's the guy we fawn over. That's the perfect example of why our culture is a f'ing joke.


Hits nail on head…….as long as you're a good ol' boy that plays by the goofy rules, we will be blindly loyal to you and keep you in decision influencing and decision making roles forever. It most definitely is the culture that ultimately leads to poor decision after poor decision, and holding on too long.
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PanzerAggie06 said:

Our culture is perfectly encapsulated in our lovefest for RC. Here's a guy who went 3-8 in bowls, was under .400 against top 25 teams and under .300 agains top 10 teams. Yet because he supposedly has an "amazing" overall record, built upon the corpse of the SWC, we treat him like a god. Most programs, when they fire a coach, run him out of town. Nope, not Aggies. We let him hang out for 20+ years, give him a nice office, secretary, big salary and a fancy title. Then to top it off we allow him to play a role in bringing in two of his boys to replace the guy we replaced him with. The most **** move ever.

And all because he "gets" A&M and is a good ol' country boy that has a folksy personality. A guy whose entire career can be summed up with his famous quote thrown out after another one of his inexplicable loses, "well, half the teams lose every Saturday." That's the guy we fawn over. That's the perfect example of why our culture is a f'ing joke.


This is so effing it right here. I couldn't have said it better myself. The fact that he is even a standard bearer of what we are shooting for shows ypu exactly why all the effort in the world leads to mediocrity. It's because the path we've chosen only ends in mediocrity.

And then we gas light anybody who dares to point the truths out by calling them 2 percenters so they shut up and get in line like a good boy. This is why we can't see the problems and settle for "curses" as excuses because we don't tolerate looking at ourselves honestly.
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jaxisback said:

Some of you need to spend some time walking through the MSC and reflect a bit on what really matters.

Any Aggie that would trade what Texas A&M is for anything else really isn't an Aggie at all.

This is minor league pro football. Someday we might reach the top of the mountain or maybe not. Enjoy it for what it is, in the end it's of little importance.

The notion that our university should somehow morph its culture and traditions because that would lead to football success, I reject out of hand.


Blue Star post.
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Scientific said:

aa4136 said:

But, our traditions are amazing and that sustains us. Why do you care about winning...its secondary!

Hey We have yell leaders, that make us so different. Otherwise we'd just be everyone else (sarcasm).

This isn't a cause and affect thing. But there's a pattern here. We don't actually want to win here, unless it's our way.
Ding ding ding!!! We have a winner. We don't actually want to win here, unless its our way
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Some aggies won't admit to a loss, they just think we ran out of time
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cmsaggie12 said:

Scientific said:

aa4136 said:

But, our traditions are amazing and that sustains us. Why do you care about winning...its secondary!

Hey We have yell leaders, that make us so different. Otherwise we'd just be everyone else (sarcasm).

This isn't a cause and affect thing. But there's a pattern here. We don't actually want to win here, unless it's our way.
Ding ding ding!!! We have a winner. We don't actually want to win here, unless its our way


Is that bad? Like, what is the value of winning, as a fan? I think it's a valid question.
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njohn87 said:

cmsaggie12 said:

Scientific said:

aa4136 said:

But, our traditions are amazing and that sustains us. Why do you care about winning...its secondary!

Hey We have yell leaders, that make us so different. Otherwise we'd just be everyone else (sarcasm).

This isn't a cause and affect thing. But there's a pattern here. We don't actually want to win here, unless it's our way.
Ding ding ding!!! We have a winner. We don't actually want to win here, unless its our way


Is that bad? Like, what is the value of winning, as a fan? I think it's a valid question.


Shhh you'll make them cringe and be embarrassed that their favorite football team didn't win a game.

Winning football games at all and any cost should be your goal and if it isn't you're just a useless fuddy-duddy can't you see.
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You can't buy prestige.
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Our problem is that we have been viewed as a second rate tu since WW2 ended. And the morons in charge are idiots who only care about not being as embarrassing as Texas. This leads to the idiots of our fanbase who claim they would rather go 1-11 with the 1 win being against Texas than to win a natty. Whatever.
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rollingwoodaggie said:

BS….get the right coach and we will win big. Now if you want to argue the people hiring the coaches is the problem I will listen.


The people hiring the coaches are the problem. They consistently shackle themselves with bad contracts and extensions that were not earned.

The worst part is they fail to cut bait early enough and stick with guys 3-4 years too long so that the program is in shambles when the firing happens. This makes the job less attractive to coaches who could actually make a difference. Then, their only option is bad/long contracts to try and persuade someone....Wash, rinse, repeat.

Plus, they're too hung up on personalities/good ol boy stuff as opposed to "can the guy win?"
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njohn87 said:


Is that bad? Like, what is the value of winning, as a fan? I think it's a valid question.

We've spent billions between coaches and facilities. Are you pretending to put your head under the sand?

I love 99.9% of Texas A&M and our traditions. So, no. It's not bad imo. But you asked why anyone would choose to carry that cross? We could pretend we don't care, if we didn't spend so much. Sure, we may disagree on what that looks like. Personally, I choose to move past my Aggie identity revolving around things like losing- "so long as we beat the orange" and pretending everything is fine because all those things remain intact. Like defending those cornballs in overalls. You know, what we've been doing the same since 1939.

It's funny how you want to act like football shouldn't matter, but the traditions you want intact revolve around it.
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Is this the "Lefties Loosing It" forum?
Y'all said you were going to move to another country, now git!





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njohn87 said:

cmsaggie12 said:

Scientific said:

aa4136 said:

But, our traditions are amazing and that sustains us. Why do you care about winning...its secondary!

Hey We have yell leaders, that make us so different. Otherwise we'd just be everyone else (sarcasm).

This isn't a cause and affect thing. But there's a pattern here. We don't actually want to win here, unless it's our way.
Ding ding ding!!! We have a winner. We don't actually want to win here, unless its our way


Is that bad? Like, what is the value of winning, as a fan? I think it's a valid question.
As a fan?. Winning is all that ultimately matters, thus its "value" is figuratively priceless. People want to see their team win. This is an incredibly easy thing to grasp.

Now, in the grand scheme of things does A&M's football success ultimately "matter"? No, it's a game/business which doesn't actually impact most people in a serious way. However, the question you asked was does it have value to a fan? That's pretty easy to figure out. So easy that to even ask the question is a waste of brain activity.
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A&M has a problem in attracting the best players and coaches
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How much time should we give a new coach?
10 months? 1 year? Should we let him stay until he gets his first recruiting class?
LOL some dang idiots, absolute idiots, on this forum!
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I think it starts at the top. **** John Sharp. Every blunder, PR nightmare, stupid hire, dumb decision has been made under that mouth-breathing ******'s watch. **** him. He needs to go. The sooner, the better.
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Not saying the negativity isn't true but this game was no more than an exhibition.
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cmsaggie12 said:

jaxisback said:

Some of you need to spend some time walking through the MSC and reflect a bit on what really matters.

Any Aggie that would trade what Texas A&M is for anything else really isn't an Aggie at all.

This is minor league pro football. Someday we might reach the top of the mountain or maybe not. Enjoy it for what it is, in the end it's of little importance.

The notion that our university should somehow morph its culture and traditions because that would lead to football success, I reject out of hand.
And ladies and gentlemen, this is why. Losers with a losing mindset.

I don't think it is a loser mindset, but we CAN aspire for both the values A&M has traditionally stood for and success on the athletic fields/court. We just have to run the Athletic Department more like a business than it has been run. By that I mean get the best AD we can, put him or her in charge of hiring/firing coaches, and then hold them responsible for the results. Not any group of BMAs who may or may not be the same every year and have effectively zero accountability. If Fran doesn't work out, oh, well. We'll just keep going until we finally get a national championship contending coach in Jimbo. Oh, wait. That didn't go so well, either.

Then, like a well run organization, give the AD the tools to succeed. Forget the spending on facilities and NIL. Spend money (at least some of it) on intelligence. Why is information so powerful in the outside, especially business, world, but we don't seem to use it to our full advantage? We need a committee or staff within the AD that knows (or can find out) EVERYTHING about every potential coach we COULD hire in every sport -- PI level stuff. Not just their resume but every home address, who they've hung out with over the years, whether they have a drinking/drug problem, etc. We need people multiple outside of the AD on a first name basis with every agent and attorney of any desirable coach (head or assistant) so we can approach and hire the most effective potential coach when either one leaves or we send one packing.

Do we have ANY of that now? From what I can tell, I seriously doubt it. At best, its a "I know someone who knows someone..." Last year DeBoer may not have been a potential hire (and we may have dodged a bullet knowing what we know now), but nobody would have said then he wasn't worth considering. Did we make him turn us down? Did we even try to show him something better than what Bama was offering? I don't know but I doubt it.

We can NOT keep doing things the SAME WAY and expect different results. Call that insanity, or whatever, but regardless, it won't work. We've essentially hired the last 5 football coaches the SAME EXACT WAY and thats beyond stupid.
 
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