The point isnt whether or not Arkansas is a **** team, its if Indiana has played any team with as productive an offense as Arkansas.

Total offense rankings:

Arkansas: 8

Iu opponents:

Odu- 21
Kennesaw- 71
Indiana st- n/a
Illinois- 70
Iowa- 120
Oregon- 13
Msu- 98
Ucla- 101
Md- 96
Psu-108
Wisc-133
Pu-91


Indiana is mostly playing teams who cant move the dang ball against anyone

I hope Indiana is good for the sake of the Big 10. Tired of some combination of Michigan, Ohio State, Oregon, and Penn State being the only real teams in that league.

Plus an underdog story is always fun.

Classof25Battler said:

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I hope Indiana is good for the sake of the Big 10. Tired of some combination of Michigan, Ohio State, Oregon, and Penn State being the only real teams in that league.

Plus an underdog story is always fun.

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Same

I do think A&M is better than Indiana but the ones acting like theyre no good is laughable

Indiana has beaten Illinois who was ranked 9th at the time, by 53 who has a 3-3 conference record and their only losses are to #1 OSU , #2 Indiana, and #25 Washington all on the road.

Indiana also went on the road and Beat a really good Iowa team on the road, who should remained ranked and will 100% be by the end of the year, they also have a 4-2 conference record.

The other (conference team) teams they've players aren't good, by they beat them 25, 50 and 45.

They went on the road to a desperate Penn state team in front of 100k fans and beat a roster way more (not even close) talented than them, without 2 offensive line players and their number 1 offensive weapon and won.

They are a great team. Period. They also have a better game for game win than TAMU. TAMU did beat number 9 by 1 point, but we all know that was due to a missed extra point. Great win , but Indiana beat the current number #7 on the road in a much tougher environment than south bend and win by 10 across 3 time zones, and the game really wasn't even that close.

Just be happy A&M is good. The rest will take care of itself after conference champ week.

Indiana has the #2 offense, and top #5 defense they are either 1 or 2 in every metric, including efficiency metrics and schedule adjusted metrics . You may think A&M is better , and they may even be , but there is no objective metric that shows this, quite the opposite and it's not even really close. OSU and IU are statistically in a tier of its own.

Ok and Indiana played number 13 and held the offense to 13 points. What's your point? That their defense is better than A&M?

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Indiana has the #2 offense, and top #5 defense they are either 1 or 2 in every metric, including efficiency metrics and schedule adjusted metrics . You may think A&M is better , and they may even be , but there is no objective metric that shows this, quite the opposite and it's not even really close. OSU and IU are statistically in a tier of its own.

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Tyler Junior College has the number 1 offense and defense. It's not their fault their schedule is weak and they didn't schedule a quality out of conference opponent.

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They went on the road to a desperate Penn state team in front of 100k fans and beat a roster way more (not even close) talented than them, without 2 offensive line players and their number 1 offensive weapon and won.

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LOL...so Penn State wasn't desperate when they played UCLA or Northwestern?

Penn State lost their starting Qb and the back-up QB is hot garbage. You make all these excuses for IU but then act like Penn State is some great team when they haven't even won a conference game yet!

Give me a break. And I am even a PSU fan (got my grad degree there). But PSU is a dumpster fire this year.

Did this on another thread:

Opponent Win Pct.

BAMA Overall: .561 Conf: .472
Georg Overall: .576 Conf: .455
OlMss Overall: .495 Conf: .378
TAMU Overall: .494 Conf: .250


Indiana Overall: .538 Conf: .361

Gnome Sayin said:

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Did this on another thread:

Opponent Win Pct.

BAMA Overall: .561 Conf: .472
Georg Overall: .576 Conf: .455
OlMss Overall: .495 Conf: .378
TAMU Overall: .494 Conf: .250


Indiana Overall: .538 Conf: .361

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Kennesaw State has the same record as Notre Dame. Funny how this metric just treats them equally.

Why even bother scheduling tough non conf games when teams like Indiana get rewarded by playing cup cakes?

So wait, how does our "ranked" wins compare to Indiana? They beat #7 and then Oregon on the road. Oregon has a win vs the #3 team in the country.

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And the Ags have played just about every SEC team that has fired their coach.

This will all get addressed in the playoffs

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Our kills should not count against us. Brian Kelly would still be coaching in Baton Rouge if he would have beat us or maybe even if he kept it close instead of getting destroyed, maybe the same for Hugh Freeze too. I don't think anyone got fired for losing to IU.

I hate the "beat them when they we X ranking" argument.

It both unjustly rewards and punishes teams. Far too much credit is given to early season wins and losses. For example, notre dames loss to us should be less and less of a negative impact on their rating whereas our on the road victory should be more and more valuable. Both teams have proven each week they are legit.

Wins over a top 10 Illinois team, that went on to be average, should not be as valuable at the end of the season's, because the early ranking was based on little info and super speculative.

This is a general argument that preseason rankings are a terrible practice that simultaneously don't matter (just win) but also matter very much win it comes to postseason seedings.

Classof25Battler said:

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I hope Indiana is good for the sake of the Big 10. Tired of some combination of Michigan, Ohio State, Oregon, and Penn State being the only real teams in that league.

Plus an underdog story is always fun.

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Long term- it's pretty crazy to think of IU being a long term power.

Recruiting in-state elite players: You have Purdue (who was traditionally better, guess not anymore) and obviously ND. Then you have Ohio State and Michigan nearby poaching the best talent. And it's not like high school football is elite in Indiana.

But in this new NIL/transfer portal era, gives opportunity for the non-blue blood schools to rise up. IU may be one, I guess...

This is a result of expansion. The numbers of teams makes it impossible for the best teams to play each other resulting in differing quality of opponents within a season. If we win out we get to play a top 5 team in the sec CG and we can demonstrate it on the field. A win over Bama, Ga or Miss will be a statement win and better than any win we have to date. Until we do that we should be happy where we are.

One point that we shouldn't overlook is that we have a top 10 strength of schedule and '# 1 SOR at this point. Ohio State is at 24 and Indiana is around 50 for SOS. The Big has 18 teams and their bottom seven are lower than any of the SEC teams (based on Sagarin ratings). On paper we may be better (slightly) But I will feel a lot better when we have demonstrated it on the field,

Indiana can be a great team while also playing a weak schedule. They are doing exactly what great teams do to that kind of schedule: throttling just about everybody.

Their close wins are manifestations of what make college football so great... close win at a physical Iowa team that is always a tough out. Close win at Penn State that is loaded with talent in their first game at home since firing Franklin.

Two things can be true at the same time. Indiana is for real. Their schedule sucks.

I think Indiana gets obliterated by OSU in the b1g ccg and everyone sees exactly what they're made of.

If I am on the playoff committee, forget about conference (even though I think SEC is better top to bottom than the Big 10), no way am I putting Indiana who played Kennesaw St at home above A&M while A&M was playing Notre Dame on the road.

I mean they are creating a big incentive to schedule cream puffs like Indiana did. I agree with Lane Kiffin on this.

But as a fan, I'm fine with where the Ags sit as it will all play out on the field.

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Indiana can be a great team while also playing a weak schedule. They are doing exactly what great teams do to that kind of schedule: throttling just about everybody.

Their close wins are manifestations of what make college football so great... close win at a physical Iowa team that is always a tough out. Close win at Penn State that is loaded with talent in their first game at home since firing Franklin.

Two things can be true at the same time. Indiana is for real. Their schedule sucks.

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They weren't great when they needed a miracle catch at the end to beat lowly Penn State.

IMO, either a 2 or 3 ranking is great. Assuming the OSU is the best team (to Be decided in playoffs), 2or 3 puts you on the other side of playoff bracket. And, if 2 plays 3, it will be neutral size Bowl Game.

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I think Cignetti is a really good coach and they have a good QB. Thats what you want in the playoffs.

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You also want a good offensive line, running backs, receivers, defensive line, linebackers, defensive secondary and special teams.

Right now IU is punching above their weight class. But outside of Oregon they haven't really faced a true heavyweight (and Oregon is iffy IMO - lot of offensive stats against low tier teams).

Can they run the table? Sure, it's possible. But the law of averages say that once they go up against somebody not named Kennesaw State says that their overall lack of talent across the board won't win against a team that has a significantly higher level of talent across the board that plays well.

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Indiana's schedule is pure garbage and only slighty weaker than tOSU.

Yesterday Indiana beat a coach-less terrible team in free fall...on the last play of the game. Meanwhile the Ags got a solid double digit, SEC road win against a ranked opponent.

Ags are the best team in the country, and its not close.

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Indiana would counter with our pillow fight win over Arkansas. That was also using an interim HC, with less talent on their roster than Pedo St has.

Let.It.Go

Indiana is a really good team, just as A&M is

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An Arkansas team that is 8th in yards per game.

The best offense Indiana has faced is Oregon at #13 (largely from non-conference games and putting up 700 on freaking Rutgers, without Rutgers they are middle of the pack Big 10 in conference play only) and Old Dominion at #22 (who plays nobodies all year). Their next best offense they have played is Rutgers at #41 in YPG.

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Now do defense

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What about it? Their defense sucks and we torched them as expected.

Name a team Indiana has played with as good an offense as Arkansas?

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Offense offense offense

You can hang on that statistic if you want. But Arkansas is flaming hot garbage. Mississippi state proved that.

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let's just ignore the fact that Penn State is hot garbage or that super impressive win over Old Dominion-y'all are trying too hard to keep it real. You can't discount our schedule and gloss over Indiana's. For all the folks talking about our schedule being poor, how can you justify that when we have an SOS of 15 - more than 20 spots higher than Indiana / OSU?

Here you go "4"