Amen. We need winners mentality around here!

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Can you explain through statistics how our offense was crap? Or is this just through your eyeball test?

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I'll explain it in simple statistics. I know most ags suffer from mental diseases when it comes to football

We've played 3 games the last 2 years where the winner gets a chance to play for a trophy. These are the games that matter

A trophy is what you get when you win your conference or a national championship

We are 0-3 in these important games. The offense has scored 27 total points in those games. 9 points per game in the real games is really crap and almost impossible to win. 7 of those points (26%) were scored by the defense.

The QB in those games has 0 touchdowns and 7 turnovers. That's really crap. Turnovers are the worst thing an offense quarterback can do

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FIFY...how are bad throws that result in turnovers the fault of the "offense"?

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Bacardi Rambo said:

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aginresearch said:

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Can you explain through statistics how our offense was crap? Or is this just through your eyeball test?

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I'll explain it in simple statistics. I know most ags suffer from mental diseases when it comes to football

We've played 3 games the last 2 years where the winner gets a chance to play for a trophy. These are the games that matter

A trophy is what you get when you win your conference or a national championship

We are 0-3 in these important games. The offense has scored 27 total points in those games. 9 points per game in the real games is really crap and almost impossible to win. 7 of those points (26%) were scored by the defense.

The QB in those games has 0 touchdowns and 7 turnovers. That's really crap. Turnovers are the worst thing an offense quarterback can do

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FIFY...how are bad throws that result in turnovers the fault of the "offense"?

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Perhaps if the OC recognizes that his QB's greatest strength are his wheels, he designs his offense to utilize said wheels instead of forcing him to be a pocket passer...especially in the red zone with the game on the line. The best coaches learn how to emphasize players' strengths while diminishing their weaknesses in their system configuration. I don't need to be a football expert to recognize the coaches who do this vs those who don't.

After watching the Ole Miss / UGA game, it's pretty clear that Reed is nowhere near what Chambliss and Stockton are. Both have great field vision, amazing intuition about when to pass and run, good (if not great) arms, good footwork, and a terrific ability to fake and improvise. Reed has none of those qualities. Plus, for some reason, Reed has the jitters to the point that he freezes. I'm not sure that a QB coach can cure any of Reed's issues. So glad we didn't play Ole Miss or Georgia. We would've been destroyed.

I'll also explain in simple terms. To play in those important games, you have to win the games before the important ones to have a chance to play for a reason of importance… something hasnt done in a long long time before Elko… give him the time he needs..

I know most of my employees aren't exactly like me… some have a gritty mentality and will do all things necessary to get the job done. When i feel like it's time, they will get their oppurtunity to shine , when their leads show they cant get the job done.

Elko & Alberts are not serious about winning a championship, A&M is becoming a coaching school.
You come here and work your way up the ladder and eventually you will get a bigger job in CFB.

Reality hurts

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BayAg_14 said:

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Promoting internally for a QB coach after the way Marcel performed is a terrible choice. Really needed home run hire there.

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So marcellus performance is the fault of an analyst who did not coach him this year? You know nothing about him. Who is your home run hire that is available?

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Don't forget the throws way behind the receivers! Those were my favorite and we were treated to several of them a game.

By and large, the lemmings are still in love with Reed for his 2024 performance vs. LSU. It's time for people to realize that could well have been LSU being bad, not Reed being great.

Mid-tier QBs win from time to time, doesn't mean they're the primary reason for the win

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Marcel wasn't the primary reason we won that LSU game? News to me!

Marcel has things to clean up, for sure, but if you have not seen flashes of greatness from him this year and last, you either are not watching or just want to ***** about stuff online.

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Paul Pierce Ag said:

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Don't forget the throws way behind the receivers! Those were my favorite and we were treated to several of them a game.

By and large, the lemmings are still in love with Reed for his 2024 performance vs. LSU. It's time for people to realize that could well have been LSU being bad, not Reed being great.

Mid-tier QBs win from time to time, doesn't mean they're the primary reason for the win

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Marcel wasn't the primary reason we won that LSU game? News to me!

Marcel has things to clean up, for sure, but if you have not seen flashes of greatness from him this year and last, you either are not watching or just want to ***** about stuff online.

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consistency > flashes of greatness

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After watching the Ole Miss / UGA game, it's pretty clear that Reed is nowhere near what Chambliss and Stockton are. Both have great field vision, amazing intuition about when to pass and run, good (if not great) arms, good footwork, and a terrific ability to fake and improvise. Reed has none of those qualities. Plus, for some reason, Reed has the jitters to the point that he freezes. I'm not sure that a QB coach can cure any of Reed's issues. So glad we didn't play Ole Miss or Georgia. We would've been destroyed.

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You might be surprised to know that in Gunner Stockton's first playoff game, UGA put up just 10 points, he had two fumbles, and a worse completion percentage than Marcel did against Miami.

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Zachary Klement said:

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Paul Pierce Ag said:

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Don't forget the throws way behind the receivers! Those were my favorite and we were treated to several of them a game.

By and large, the lemmings are still in love with Reed for his 2024 performance vs. LSU. It's time for people to realize that could well have been LSU being bad, not Reed being great.

Mid-tier QBs win from time to time, doesn't mean they're the primary reason for the win

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Marcel wasn't the primary reason we won that LSU game? News to me!

Marcel has things to clean up, for sure, but if you have not seen flashes of greatness from him this year and last, you either are not watching or just want to ***** about stuff online.

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consistency > flashes of greatness

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Definitely, but the flashes show you what the potential can be.

Marcel made a leap from 2024 to 2025 and I think he can improve more next season.

There have been a number of quarterbacks that have continued to make strides throughout their college careers.

Jayden Daniels is a great example.

Gunner Stockton improved from last year.

Hell, I have mentioned a few times that Carson Beck has not done a ton during the playoffs this year, but he has Miami in the semifinals right now.

Zachary Klement said:

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fulshearAg96 said:

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Zachary Klement said:

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Paul Pierce Ag said:

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Don't forget the throws way behind the receivers! Those were my favorite and we were treated to several of them a game.

By and large, the lemmings are still in love with Reed for his 2024 performance vs. LSU. It's time for people to realize that could well have been LSU being bad, not Reed being great.

Mid-tier QBs win from time to time, doesn't mean they're the primary reason for the win

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Marcel wasn't the primary reason we won that LSU game? News to me!

Marcel has things to clean up, for sure, but if you have not seen flashes of greatness from him this year and last, you either are not watching or just want to ***** about stuff online.

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consistency > flashes of greatness

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Definitely, but the flashes show you what the potential can be.

Marcel made a leap from 2024 to 2025 and I think he can improve more next season.

There have been a number of quarterbacks that have continued to make strides throughout their college careers.

Jayden Daniels is a great example.

Gunner Stockton improved from last year.

Hell, I have mentioned a few times that Carson Beck has not done a ton during the playoffs this year, but he has Miami in the semifinals right now.

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So we are betting our team's future success on 'potential'. Got it.

I like Marcel. I hope with Klein exiting they can play call more to his strengths what ever the heck that means...

Hopefully the underwhelming hires make for overwhelming excitement

holding back the BAS

Reminds me of all the posters blaming the S&C program the last year of Jimbo even though the vast majority of the injuries we had nothing to do with how strong or conditioned the players were.

fulshearAg96 said:

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Zachary Klement said:

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fulshearAg96 said:

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Zachary Klement said:

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Paul Pierce Ag said:

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Don't forget the throws way behind the receivers! Those were my favorite and we were treated to several of them a game.

By and large, the lemmings are still in love with Reed for his 2024 performance vs. LSU. It's time for people to realize that could well have been LSU being bad, not Reed being great.

Mid-tier QBs win from time to time, doesn't mean they're the primary reason for the win

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Marcel wasn't the primary reason we won that LSU game? News to me!

Marcel has things to clean up, for sure, but if you have not seen flashes of greatness from him this year and last, you either are not watching or just want to ***** about stuff online.

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consistency > flashes of greatness

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Definitely, but the flashes show you what the potential can be.

Marcel made a leap from 2024 to 2025 and I think he can improve more next season.

There have been a number of quarterbacks that have continued to make strides throughout their college careers.

Jayden Daniels is a great example.

Gunner Stockton improved from last year.

Hell, I have mentioned a few times that Carson Beck has not done a ton during the playoffs this year, but he has Miami in the semifinals right now.

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So we are betting our team's future success on 'potential'. Got it.

I like Marcel. I hope with Klein exiting they can play call more to his strengths what ever the heck that means...

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Dude, what else do you base it on?

Do you think we are just going to steal a national championship winning QB from another school?

At this point, all most of these guys are is potential lol

I think most Marcel supporters might say - it's not just the potential, but moreso the growth he showed from 24-25 to 25-26.

Give him Mike Evans and an NFL All-Pro OL like JFF had during his Hiesman year, and Marcel might very well be better.

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Was the other thread on this just deleted?

Regardless, I'm not in love with these offense hires. And I'm a staunch Elko defender. It would be one thing if our offense has been elite and the strategy was to retain that identity. But I was really hoping for an infusion of new philosophies/perspectives.

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Hiring assistants requires the best mix of talent assessment, instruction, development, recruiting, discipline, culture, and I'm sure other attributes. It's common to see great recruiters in assistant roles (like special teams) where they do little or nothing else. Or conversely, a coach that is great at teaching a specific position, but hates recruiting. And all this has to be in the context of a driving a desired culture (respect, commitment, loyalty, excellence, etc.)

Having never built a staff, I'll defer to Elko.

Super underwhelming. The core of our problems are not going to be two lesser coaches forged from the same culture will turn Reed and everything else around.

……I am actually shocked and abit speechless that this is occurring.

My expectations for next year will now be even lower.

Zachary Klement said:

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fulshearAg96 said:

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Zachary Klement said:

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fulshearAg96 said:

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Zachary Klement said:

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Paul Pierce Ag said:

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Don't forget the throws way behind the receivers! Those were my favorite and we were treated to several of them a game.

By and large, the lemmings are still in love with Reed for his 2024 performance vs. LSU. It's time for people to realize that could well have been LSU being bad, not Reed being great.

Mid-tier QBs win from time to time, doesn't mean they're the primary reason for the win

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Marcel wasn't the primary reason we won that LSU game? News to me!

Marcel has things to clean up, for sure, but if you have not seen flashes of greatness from him this year and last, you either are not watching or just want to ***** about stuff online.

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consistency > flashes of greatness

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Definitely, but the flashes show you what the potential can be.

Marcel made a leap from 2024 to 2025 and I think he can improve more next season.

There have been a number of quarterbacks that have continued to make strides throughout their college careers.

Jayden Daniels is a great example.

Gunner Stockton improved from last year.

Hell, I have mentioned a few times that Carson Beck has not done a ton during the playoffs this year, but he has Miami in the semifinals right now.

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So we are betting our team's future success on 'potential'. Got it.

I like Marcel. I hope with Klein exiting they can play call more to his strengths what ever the heck that means...

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Dude, what else do you base it on?

Do you think we are just going to steal a national championship winning QB from another school?

At this point, all most of these guys are is potential lol

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KC and Craver aren't potentially good, they ARE good. Same for Moss and ABR really. Zuhn, Bisontis, and Reed-Adams aren't world-beaters, but they've also actualized their potential.

Why is Reed in his 3rd year of college getting measured with a different stick?

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Off_The_Wood said:

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Was the other thread on this just deleted?

Regardless, I'm not in love with these offense hires. And I'm a staunch Elko defender. It would be one thing if our offense has been elite and the strategy was to retain that identity. But I was really hoping for an infusion of new philosophies/perspectives.

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The offense was elite until Klein threw in the towel for kstate. The identity is there, it was the playcalling by Klein in crucial moments and not plying to Reed's strengths that was our downfall.

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There's plenty to be upset with re: Klein and the O because of the last 2 games but I noticed something as the season progressed.

Earlier in the year, it seems the playcalling was LOTS more unpredictable. By the end of the season I felt like our playbook was down to around 20 different plays. It's almost like whatever didn't work early was trashed. It doesn't take a genius level DC to figure that out. That Xs and Os problem compounded our Jimmy and Joes problem Elko mentioned several times over the season....our schemes on both sides of the ball were mostly on point but our failures game when plays broke down or -one- guy on D made the wrong read. Hell broke loose when our physical talent wasn't enough to overcome mental mistakes.

No idea if I'm right, just a hunch...but it looked to me that by the texas and miami games...I could almost predict the exact play just by looking at the set and motion/lack of. Marcel is a perfectly adequate QB to run our offense when a) he's 100% healthy, b)he's got the time to read through progressions and c) given a wider range of plays. By the end of the season when we played really good defensive teams...he maybe had time for a primary read and then either run or check down route. Dinged up Marcel doesn't want to run as much and it seems like our check down route vs texas and miami was always a receiver standing 2 yards behind the LOS picking his nose.

I am hoping against all hope that Wiggins calls a more innovative game. Klein was conservative 95% of the time (which was fine! And it mostly worked!) and WTF the other 5%. I think it would be a terrible idea to change schemes and nomenclatures at this point...Wiggins has all of that knowledge in his head since he's been coaching it for the last 2 seasons. Maybe we'll mix in some simple wheel or angle routes as check downs. Let him cook up the playbook and make the calls and let's see what happens. If that doesn't work out next year, then we'll fire everyone.

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If you could see it from the stands or the tube think how major college defense staffs saw it. I personally pin the bulk of the offensive woes on Klein regardless of when it started. To echo your words the playcallling was stale, unimaginative, and repetitive. Our kickers of all types regressed from 2024 and our late season half-time adjustments were ineffective, none of which contributed to complementary football.

During the SC game, i noticed it. It was stuck in my head for the texas game and it burst out of my head against Miami. Debated finding the all 22s view (or whatever it's called) to check if I was really seeing what I thought but decided not to because it was just going to piss me off.

If we had a playbook of 150-200 plays in week one it feels we'd whittled that down to 20-30 by T+1.

Scared money makes no money. By the end of the season, for whatever reason (imo the KState opening played a part but not as much as most of texags is pounding the table about) Klein was scared money.

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Zachary Klement said:

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fulshearAg96 said:

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Zachary Klement said:

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fulshearAg96 said:

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Zachary Klement said:

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Paul Pierce Ag said:

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Don't forget the throws way behind the receivers! Those were my favorite and we were treated to several of them a game.

By and large, the lemmings are still in love with Reed for his 2024 performance vs. LSU. It's time for people to realize that could well have been LSU being bad, not Reed being great.

Mid-tier QBs win from time to time, doesn't mean they're the primary reason for the win

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Marcel wasn't the primary reason we won that LSU game? News to me!

Marcel has things to clean up, for sure, but if you have not seen flashes of greatness from him this year and last, you either are not watching or just want to ***** about stuff online.

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consistency > flashes of greatness

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Definitely, but the flashes show you what the potential can be.

Marcel made a leap from 2024 to 2025 and I think he can improve more next season.

There have been a number of quarterbacks that have continued to make strides throughout their college careers.

Jayden Daniels is a great example.

Gunner Stockton improved from last year.

Hell, I have mentioned a few times that Carson Beck has not done a ton during the playoffs this year, but he has Miami in the semifinals right now.

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So we are betting our team's future success on 'potential'. Got it.

I like Marcel. I hope with Klein exiting they can play call more to his strengths what ever the heck that means...

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Dude, what else do you base it on?

Do you think we are just going to steal a national championship winning QB from another school?

At this point, all most of these guys are is potential lol

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KC and Craver aren't potentially good, they ARE good. Same for Moss and ABR really. Zuhn, Bisontis, and Reed-Adams aren't world-beaters, but they've also actualized their potential.

Why is Reed in his 3rd year of college getting measured with a different stick?

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Reed IS good.

But again, who is the QB that you are going to go out and get that is definitively better than Marcel?

Honestly if he's just get his footwork correct he'd be a lot better.

FYI: Indiana hasn't signed a five-star player straight out of high school in program history. The Hoosiers have only two former four-stars in the starting lineup receivers E.J. Williams and Omar Cooper Jr. while all but four of Alabama's starters had a four-star ranking or higher.
This year's Heisman winner Fernando Mendoza was part of the same 2022 signing class as Alabama quarterback Ty Simpson. Mendoza was a two-star recruit and ranked No. 2,149 (No. 140 quarterback) while Simpson was ranked 26th overall and No. 4 quarterback in the class

It's the heart and the coaching not the stars…

Everyone assumes that Reed is a lock for QB1. Maybe he is. Maybe he isn't.

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Everyone assumes that Reed is a lock for QB1. Maybe he is. Maybe he isn't.

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He's a lock for qb1. HTH

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FYI: Indiana hasn't signed a five-star player straight out of high school in program history. The Hoosiers have only two former four-stars in the starting lineup receivers E.J. Williams and Omar Cooper Jr. while all but four of Alabama's starters had a four-star ranking or higher.
This year's Heisman winner Fernando Mendoza was part of the same 2022 signing class as Alabama quarterback Ty Simpson. Mendoza was a two-star recruit and ranked No. 2,149 (No. 140 quarterback) while Simpson was ranked 26th overall and No. 4 quarterback in the class

It's the heart and the coaching not the stars…

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Sure, coaching matters. You can develop a team full of 3*s to do great things when the stars align but for how long? Maybe 2 or 3 years like what Cignetti is doing right now?

We'll see if Indiana and Cignetti can sustain this level of success long-term. It's probably easier to do that now with NIL and portal transfers, however.

The trend that I think we are seeing is that Elko doesn't have the reputation or coaching tree to draw top tier assistants… and maybe we don't have the budget for those kind of experienced proven assistants. I hope that I am wrong.

TexAgs hates the hires means they should end up being HR hires.

Red zone offense plays during our last 3 games (US, t.u. Miami) were at least 50% WTF calls by Klein...

RecklessAg said:

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BayAg_14 said:

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Promoting internally for a QB coach after the way Marcel performed is a terrible choice. Really needed home run hire there.

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So borrowing from this logic if Elko had stayed on and then been promoted to HC after Jimbo firing, it would have been a bad hire as well?

Maybe we need to allow Lynch a chance to shine without idiot Klein (see last 2 games of season) above him.