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Amazes me how much Aggies **** on their own. As far as size and speed, does Jonathan Vilma ring a bell? Dude was 6' 232 ran a 4.55. York is 6' 230 ran a 4.53. Stop with the bs already.

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Wow, you know more than every GM in the NFL. Crazy. They should all be scrambling to hire you.

Best of luck to him, and I SO wish that he could return.

I wish a lot of these talented guys would finish playing their eligibility unless they are a LOCK as a draft pick. We've had a number of outstanding contributors miss out on getting another year of reps and not get drafted… and ended their NFL career shorter than May would have expected.

That said, if he signed with Denver… I'll be pulling for him and the Broncos.

Are there any other guys that can still return after not getting drafted and still have a chance to play with us next season?

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Amazes me how much Aggies **** on their own. As far as size and speed, does Jonathan Vilma ring a bell? Dude was 6' 232 ran a 4.55. York is 6' 230 ran a 4.53. Stop with the bs already.

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Wow, you know more than every GM in the NFL. Crazy. They should all be scrambling to hire you.

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Yet every single GM "expert" passed on Vilma. I never once said or implied I know anything other than comparing an all pro to York. Both were passed up in the draft due to their size and "lack of speed" like all of you football geniuses claim on this board. I stated facts, you state emotion. I have no idea, same as you, whether York can make it or not. Keep *****ing about one of our own though, its a good look.

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He will definitely be successful. If he was just 2 inches taller and 15 lbs. heavier . . . . .

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Most of what he lacked was speed

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Speed was not an issue. He ran a good 40. Plenty fast enough

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You really think "the 40" is all they look at, relative to speed?
How a player runs in spandex versus how they run fully geared up is two different things.
Then there's agility drills too, with the same caveat.

His brain kept him in plays.
His athleticism did not.

Watch the film, and take combine metrics with a grain of salt.

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AozorAg said:

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ArkyAg99 said:

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Amazes me how much Aggies **** on their own. As far as size and speed, does Jonathan Vilma ring a bell? Dude was 6' 232 ran a 4.55. York is 6' 230 ran a 4.53. Stop with the bs already.

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Wow, you know more than every GM in the NFL. Crazy. They should all be scrambling to hire you.

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Yet every single GM "expert" passed on Vilma. I never once said or implied I know anything other than comparing an all pro to York. Both were passed up in the draft due to their size and "lack of speed" like all of you football geniuses claim on this board. I stated facts, you state emotion. I have no idea, same as you, whether York can make it or not. Keep *****ing about one of our own though, its a good look.

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Are you high? Vilma was the #12 pick in the draft. Comparing York to Vilma is a complete joke if you ever saw either of them play. You must be confused

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ArkyAg99 said:

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AozorAg said:

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ArkyAg99 said:

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Amazes me how much Aggies **** on their own. As far as size and speed, does Jonathan Vilma ring a bell? Dude was 6' 232 ran a 4.55. York is 6' 230 ran a 4.53. Stop with the bs already.

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Wow, you know more than every GM in the NFL. Crazy. They should all be scrambling to hire you.

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Yet every single GM "expert" passed on Vilma. I never once said or implied I know anything other than comparing an all pro to York. Both were passed up in the draft due to their size and "lack of speed" like all of you football geniuses claim on this board. I stated facts, you state emotion. I have no idea, same as you, whether York can make it or not. Keep *****ing about one of our own though, its a good look.

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Are you high? Vilma was the #12 pick in the draft. Comparing York to Vilma is a complete joke if you ever saw either of them play. You must be confused

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The argument was measurable. My point still stands, based on measurable, Vilma and York are almost identical. If you remember in that draft, the experts were laughing at the pick. Im not saying York is gonna be anything close to Vilma, but as far as York being to slow or to small is silly. Hope he does well.

As far as all of your post, you have never said anything positive about our Ags. So you can suck a.bag of d for all i care.

ArkyAg99 said:

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Tamuco99 said:

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ArkyAg99 said:

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AozorAg said:

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ArkyAg99 said:

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Amazes me how much Aggies **** on their own. As far as size and speed, does Jonathan Vilma ring a bell? Dude was 6' 232 ran a 4.55. York is 6' 230 ran a 4.53. Stop with the bs already.

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Wow, you know more than every GM in the NFL. Crazy. They should all be scrambling to hire you.

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Yet every single GM "expert" passed on Vilma. I never once said or implied I know anything other than comparing an all pro to York. Both were passed up in the draft due to their size and "lack of speed" like all of you football geniuses claim on this board. I stated facts, you state emotion. I have no idea, same as you, whether York can make it or not. Keep *****ing about one of our own though, its a good look.

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Are you high? Vilma was the #12 pick in the draft. Comparing York to Vilma is a complete joke if you ever saw either of them play. You must be confused

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The argument was measurable. My point still stands, based on measurable, Vilma and York are almost identical. If you remember in that draft, the experts were laughing at the pick. Im not saying York is gonna be anything close to Vilma, but as far as York being to slow or to small is silly. Hope he does well.

As far as all of your post, you have never said anything positive about our Ags. So you can suck a.bag of d for all i care.

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The measurables you listed for York were objectively wrong.

Unsurprisingly, you're also dead wrong about the Vilma pick being laughed at...you've made enough of an arse of yourself tonight, time for bed sir

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He will definitely be successful. If he was just 2 inches taller and 15 lbs. heavier . . . . .

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Most of what he lacked was speed

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Speed was not an issue. He ran a good 40. Plenty fast enough

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If that's the case, why didn't he run the 40 at the nfl combine?

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ArkyAg99 said:

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Amazes me how much Aggies **** on their own. As far as size and speed, does Jonathan Vilma ring a bell? Dude was 6' 232 ran a 4.55. York is 6' 230 ran a 4.53. Stop with the bs already.

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Wow, you know more than every GM in the NFL. Crazy. They should all be scrambling to hire you.

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Yet every single GM "expert" passed on Vilma. I never once said or implied I know anything other than comparing an all pro to York. Both were passed up in the draft due to their size and "lack of speed" like all of you football geniuses claim on this board. I stated facts, you state emotion. I have no idea, same as you, whether York can make it or not. Keep *****ing about one of our own though, its a good look.

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Are you high? Vilma was the #12 pick in the draft. Comparing York to Vilma is a complete joke if you ever saw either of them play. You must be confused

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The argument was measurable. My point still stands, based on measurable, Vilma and York are almost identical. If you remember in that draft, the experts were laughing at the pick. Im not saying York is gonna be anything close to Vilma, but as far as York being to slow or to small is silly. Hope he does well.

As far as all of your post, you have never said anything positive about our Ags. So you can suck a.bag of d for all i care.

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The measurables you listed for York were objectively wrong.

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Maybe, but I quoted what I found on Google. As I posted previously, eat a bag of d for all I care. You are worse than the other guy. I can repost all your bs comments throughout the last season. My money, from the Sanford post to the KC draft post, you are either a sip troll, or someone who has nothing better to do with their time.

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Unsurprisingly, you're also dead wrong about the Vilma pick being laughed at...you've made enough of an arse of yourself tonight, time for bed sir

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I watched that draft, I know you didn't based on your comment. Stop pretending to be an Aggie and move on. I'm not the one showing.my arse. All of your posts show why.

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How. His biggest issue was size.

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Fair. I guess he could have come back and hoped for a nakobe dean AA type season to push him up a few rounds.

Curious as to what the delta between his potential NIL deal would have been vs Free agent deal.

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He will definitely be successful. If he was just 2 inches taller and 15 lbs. heavier . . . . .

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Most of what he lacked was speed

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Speed was not an issue. He ran a good 40. Plenty fast enough

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You really think "the 40" is all they look at, relative to speed?
How a player runs in spandex versus how they run fully geared up is two different things.
Then there's agility drills too, with the same caveat.

His brain kept him in plays.
His athleticism did not.

Watch the film, and take combine metrics with a grain of salt.

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Agility is not speed. Just an FYI

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AozorAg said:

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ArkyAg99 said:

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Tamuco99 said:

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Amazes me how much Aggies **** on their own. As far as size and speed, does Jonathan Vilma ring a bell? Dude was 6' 232 ran a 4.55. York is 6' 230 ran a 4.53. Stop with the bs already.

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Wow, you know more than every GM in the NFL. Crazy. They should all be scrambling to hire you.

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Yet every single GM "expert" passed on Vilma. I never once said or implied I know anything other than comparing an all pro to York. Both were passed up in the draft due to their size and "lack of speed" like all of you football geniuses claim on this board. I stated facts, you state emotion. I have no idea, same as you, whether York can make it or not. Keep *****ing about one of our own though, its a good look.

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Are you high? Vilma was the #12 pick in the draft. Comparing York to Vilma is a complete joke if you ever saw either of them play. You must be confused

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The argument was measurable. My point still stands, based on measurable, Vilma and York are almost identical. If you remember in that draft, the experts were laughing at the pick. Im not saying York is gonna be anything close to Vilma, but as far as York being to slow or to small is silly. Hope he does well.

As far as all of your post, you have never said anything positive about our Ags. So you can suck a.bag of d for all i care.

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The measurables you listed for York were objectively wrong.

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Maybe, but I quoted what I found on Google. As I posted previously, eat a bag of d for all I care. You are worse than the other guy. I can repost all your bs comments throughout the last season. My money, from the Sanford post to the KC draft post, you are either a sip troll, or someone who has nothing better to do with their time.

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Cheer up, pal. It's gonna be ok.

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He will definitely be successful. If he was just 2 inches taller and 15 lbs. heavier . . . . .

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Most of what he lacked was speed

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Speed was not an issue. He ran a good 40. Plenty fast enough

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You really think "the 40" is all they look at, relative to speed?
How a player runs in spandex versus how they run fully geared up is two different things.
Then there's agility drills too, with the same caveat.

His brain kept him in plays.
His athleticism did not.

Watch the film, and take combine metrics with a grain of salt.

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Agility is not speed. Just an FYI

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Well gee whiz, let's hope he never has to change direction.
NFL intelligence is not NFL size and athleticism. Just an FYI

Dat did it

He's been a captain on the team for a reason

you don't often see so much wrong information combined with a complete crash out like we saw from ArkyAg here. Well done.

Again you said speed. That wasn't his biggest issue. It was mainly his size and short arms.

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Weaknesses
Needs more patience downhill to avoid losing gap leverage.
Undersized and gets knocked around by big-bodied blockers.
Struggles shedding blocks once they sink into him.
Short arms limit consistent wrap finishes as a tackler.
Has issues losing track of zone threats.

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You don't find it odd that he didn't run the 40 at the combine?

It happens all the time. He ran at Pro day and speed was not an issue.

For instance 11 of the 21 RB did not run this year.

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He will definitely be successful. If he was just 2 inches taller and 15 lbs. heavier . . . . .

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Most of what he lacked was speed

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Speed was not an issue. He ran a good 40. Plenty fast enough

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You really think "the 40" is all they look at, relative to speed?
How a player runs in spandex versus how they run fully geared up is two different things.
Then there's agility drills too, with the same caveat.

His brain kept him in plays.
His athleticism did not.

Watch the film, and take combine metrics with a grain of salt.

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Agility is not speed. Just an FYI

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This is true. But the 40 being thrown around for York was an unofficial on pro day. I don't believe it for one second. It looks like it takes him 5.0 seconds to run a 4.53. There's literally a timer on the video that suggests he was slower than 4.53. I love York. He possesses some great qualities. His leadership is apparently as good as it gets. But his lack of size and speed are a huge reason we gave up some very untimely long runs. We need more athletes as the LB spot than we've had the last couple years. It's one area that has me scratching my head with Elko. I would think athletic LBers would be lining up to play for this defense.

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Again you said speed. That wasn't his biggest issue. It was mainly his size and short arms.

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Weaknesses
Needs more patience downhill to avoid losing gap leverage.
Undersized and gets knocked around by big-bodied blockers.
Struggles shedding blocks once they sink into him.
Short arms limit consistent wrap finishes as a tackler.
Has issues losing track of zone threats.

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Game speed isn't 1 dimensional.
Of course I said speed, it's a part of it.
Then I said running in spandex is different than running in full gear. Some do it better than others.
Then I mentioned agility for supplemental context in how he plays the position. You know, like an actual game? Where 1 false step can hurt him more than most?
Plus the same caveat applies to both, meaning spandex vs full gear.

Then I suggested watching the film. Really watching.
After that you can tell me how he compares to other players, real time in game situations, versus others who also run comparably to his supposed 4.53.

Game speed isn't limited to their 40.
Keep your nose in that spreadsheet if you want though.

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Maybe it's not about the money. Maybe he was following a dream knowing he's pretty much peaked so why not try for it

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This.

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Amazes me how much Aggies **** on their own. As far as size and speed, does Jonathan Vilma ring a bell? Dude was 6' 232 ran a 4.55. York is 6' 230 ran a 4.53. Stop with the bs already.

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Wow, you know more than every GM in the NFL. Crazy. They should all be scrambling to hire you.

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Yet every single GM "expert" passed on Vilma. I never once said or implied I know anything other than comparing an all pro to York. Both were passed up in the draft due to their size and "lack of speed" like all of you football geniuses claim on this board. I stated facts, you state emotion. I have no idea, same as you, whether York can make it or not. Keep *****ing about one of our own though, its a good look.

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Yeah, Vilma was passed up for a whole 11 picks. GM concerns were definitely the same as York.

Vilma was also a first team AA and won the Lambert trophy. I have no idea how you came up with this comparison. He's also almost two inches taller, if size is all you're going off of.

Show me one place other than here where speed was mentioned as a weakness. As a matter of fact I've seen it listed as a strength.

Seems like if the NCAA is allowing NBA G-League basketball players to return to NCAA basketball ranks...a player who was NFL drafted but unsigned and never played a down of NFL football...should be allowed to come back to NCAA football ranks.

Every new ruling creates a precedence...yada yada creates a slippery slope etc. Problem with those slippery slopes, they are slippery. These G-League rulings open up new eligibility for players who 'went pro' or 'got drafted' but never officially played int he big leagues. That logic seems to apply for football players who tested the draft waters, didn't like their signing prospects and never played an official down of professional football. If they still have NCAA eligibility, why shouldn't they be able to for go signing and return to NCAA?

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Show me one place other than here where speed was mentioned as a weakness. As a matter of fact I've seen it listed as a strength.

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I think the thing is do you consider the 10-yard shuttle and 3 cone drill as indicators of speed. If you do, which some do then that shows a lack of quickness. However, if you only view speed through the 40 then he has plenty. Unfortunately, 3 cone and 10-yard shuttle for a LB is much more important based on where they line up and how they need to react. You add those up with his overall lack of size and it means FA

Both the cone and shuttle are agility and not speed. And even with that being said agility or speed has never been mentioned as a weakness even on NFL.com profile of York.

Here are his strengths

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Strengths
Compact with a thick base and good balance.
Plays the game with an abundance of energy and urgency.
Scrapes with pace similar to the run concept.
Stays low to dip and slip incoming blocks.
Closes quickly on ball-carriers in short spaces.
Accelerates through contact to deliver pop on tackles.
Diagnoses screens quickly and hustles to shut them down.

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Seems like if the NCAA is allowing NBA G-League basketball players to return to NCAA basketball ranks...a player who was NFL drafted but unsigned and never played a down of NFL football...should be allowed to come back to NCAA football ranks.

Every new ruling creates a precedence...yada yada creates a slippery slope etc. Problem with those slippery slopes, they are slippery. These G-League rulings open up new eligibility for players who 'went pro' or 'got drafted' but never officially played int he big leagues. That logic seems to apply for football players who tested the draft waters, didn't like their signing prospects and never played an official down of professional football. If they still have NCAA eligibility, why shouldn't they be able to for go signing and return to NCAA?

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true, if they are never on the active roster, and only practice squad, why couldnt they come back to a college for another year, ever after a year on teh practice squad.

No, Taurean York is not allowed back because he signed with the Denver Broncos as undrafted free agent. He could have returned if he went undrafted and did not sign with an NFL team. I think he can make the Broncos roster a special-teams contributor or backup linebacker.

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Show me one place other than here where speed was mentioned as a weakness. As a matter of fact I've seen it listed as a strength.

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Ok, i'll use the same source that you apparently like to keep copying and pasting from....but apparently aren't reading the entirety of, for some reason:

Overview
York is a defensive quarterback who aligns the front and leads by example with all-day urgency. He's compact with thick thighs and good play strength but struggles to hold up against/shed climbing blocks that find him. His short-area movement is choppy but efficient with quick acceleration to chase outside runs, but he lacks sustained speed. He's in constant "trigger and close" mode but needs better diagnostic patience to avoid missed run fits. He will struggle holding up in man coverage. Linebackers with York's size/length typically face uphill roster climbs, but his tape appears good enough to warrant a backup role with instant special-teams value.



I highlighted the man coverage portion too, just because that particular struggle will be due to limited speed/agility in addition to his limited size/length.

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No, Taurean York is not allowed back because he signed with the Denver Broncos as undrafted free agent. He could have returned if he went undrafted and did not sign with an NFL team. I think he can make the Broncos roster a special-teams contributor or backup linebacker.

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Wrong, he could not have returned because underclassmen forfeit their eligibility upon remaining in the draft beyond the deadline.

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vander54 said:

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Show me one place other than here where speed was mentioned as a weakness. As a matter of fact I've seen it listed as a strength.

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Ok, i'll use the same source that you apparently like to keep copying and pasting from....but apparently aren't reading the entirety of, for some reason:

Overview
York is a defensive quarterback who aligns the front and leads by example with all-day urgency. He's compact with thick thighs and good play strength but struggles to hold up against/shed climbing blocks that find him. His short-area movement is choppy but efficient with quick acceleration to chase outside runs, but he lacks sustained speed. He's in constant "trigger and close" mode but needs better diagnostic patience to avoid missed run fits. He will struggle holding up in man coverage. Linebackers with York's size/length typically face uphill roster climbs, but his tape appears good enough to warrant a backup role with instant special-teams value.



I highlighted the man coverage portion too, just because that particular struggle will be due to limited speed/agility in addition to his limited size/length.

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We can go back and forth. He ran a 4.53 at Pro Day whether that's legit or not can be argued but that would put him near the top of this years class. When looking at his profile across multiple sites size and length are the repeated concern. Speed is mentioned in the write up but it wasn't the reason he wasn't drafted.

Also as an FYI issues with man coverage does not mean speed issues.

Plus look at his strengths at least 2 of them could be speed related.

Man you would argue with a fence post

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