***** USWNT vs Sweden WC Game Thread *****

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Dre_00 said:

On the one hand, their performance in the 3 previous games did not warrant progressing to the QFs.

On the other hand, their performance in this game did.

They looked immeasurably better today. Numerous good performances around the field but unfortunately, we ran into a great goalie having a great game. We win that game 3-0 if she puts in even an average performance. Penalties are what penalties are but pretty sure we'll never see another one like that again.

The silver lining is that if you wanted to see Vlatko fired (and other changes), the only way that was going to happen was by losing this game. He probably survives if we get to the semis after 2 dominating performances. US soccer is dumb enough to keep him even after today but I'd say the odds are not in his favor.


The men's team would probably be dumb enough, but maybe the women's program is better run. This team never had it. Frustrating to be the much better side and lose. But if you can't score that's what happens.
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Well that's unfortunate.

Women went as far as the men. They're all disappointed they're not getting money from the women winning.

Rule #1 of PKs, put it on frame.

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Players picked for the national team should take pride in playing for our nation, and should be able to score PKs. New screening measures for squad selection next time, perhaps.
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LB12Diamond said:

So lost by a centimeter


No!! Lost by 40ft if you add Rapino and Smiths shots together. That is where it was lost.
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Dre_00 said:

Ah yes. Tactics, once again, don't appear to matter in women's soccer. I forgot about that for a second.


Look, I think we all know subbing the entire team out for Rapinoe carried some tactical risk
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Rapinoe should have retired. Not a good way to go out.
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They are neither the first nor will be the last team to dominate a soccer game and lose. Saw somewhere that the xG was 1.8 to .1. It is one of the defining characteristics of soccer...probably more so than any other sport. "Deserving" to win but ultimately losing.
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Just another reminder that the beautiful game can be relentlessly cruel.

Unfortunate way to go out of the tournament and most likely the last time to see a lot of these big name players at the competitive level for the USWNT. Tip my hat to what they have achieved.

Moving forward some big decisions need to be made regarding the coach and what players to bring in for the future.
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LB12Diamond said:

Rapinoe should have retired. Not a good way to go out.


And how she laughed when she missed.

That's in the coach tho. She should never have been in that position.
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Cliff.Booth said:

Players picked for the national team should take pride in playing for our nation, and should be able to score PKs. New screening measures for squad selection next time, perhaps.


The national team has been these players "job" for years. Look they were focused only on pay in the run up to the last two olympics and it showed in the performances.

Both the WUSA and NWSL have been poorly run and most USA players have refused to go to europe where the competition is better. MLS is not great but the women refusing to affiliate with MLS was a dumb decision and now it is too late IMO.
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Some of y'all are just absolutely miserable.
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The American system will shift more. Losing sucks too bad to pretend we can live isolated. The USWNT will either keep up or be irrelevant. The world caught up and passed us with better knowledge of the game. We can do better. Especially if we depoliticized the national team.
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jeffk said:

Some of y'all are just absolutely miserable.
Posters *****ing about players talking political stuff also can't help but make everything political themselves. I've got a few in my family, they are a beating to be around.
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jeffk said:

Some of y'all are just absolutely miserable.


This thread is full of dumb takes, mean spirited irrelevant criticisms, and vitriol that has almost nothing to do with the team or how they played.

On the other hand, it's a great sign for equity that women's teams can get the same internet treatment as the men's.
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jeffk said:

Some of y'all are just absolutely miserable.

Don't you know this team got woke now but not in 2019? In baseball, Team USA lost the World Baseball Classic even though we have a strangle hold on the game (not woke though!).

You are arguing with the F16 clown folks and wasting your breath.
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Rudyjax said:

LB12Diamond said:

Rapinoe should have retired. Not a good way to go out.


And how she laughed when she missed.

That's in the coach tho. She should never have been in that position.


I can only imagine the screaming from Rap and her social media mob if Rap weren't in there for PKs and they lost.

Hell look at her postgame comments. Proud of her off field accomplishments and ready to be done with soccer. Spoken like a true loser.
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Rapinoe-

Taking politics and world view out, and focusing on soccer…

She used to be my favorite player. Nobody has better crosses and sets than Rapinoe.

Unfortunately, the last few years have been really bad. Her fight and care of playing soccer seemed to be, ultimately defined by missing a wide open PK, and then just simply laughing afterwards. I would have been devastated and crying my eyes out, knowing my career ended on a very bad kick.
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Texagsubscriber said:

jeffk said:

Some of y'all are just absolutely miserable.

Don't you know this team got woke now but not in 2019? In baseball, Team USA lost the World Baseball Classic even though we have a strangle hold on the game (not woke though!).

You are arguing with the F16 clown folks and wasting your breath.


What are you rambling on about

Every time I turn on baseball it is Dominicans, Puerto Ricans, Cubans and Japanese dominating

Rapinoe is a terrible player and had no business being on this squad.

So woke you can't see the truth

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Yes yes very sad. Anyways
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Fitting end for the cause over country crew.
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amercer said:

jeffk said:

Some of y'all are just absolutely miserable.


This thread is full of dumb takes, mean spirited irrelevant criticisms, and vitriol that has almost nothing to do with the team or how they played.

On the other hand, it's a great sign for equity that women's teams can get the same internet treatment as the men's.


This is actually a fantastic point. Why deprive the women of the reactionary, hateful fandom the men receive.
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Tough way to go out. Team played well and the Swedish keeper was immense. Interesting Smith was in the 5th spot to take the PK and not Horan. I would've loved to have seen Thompson come on instead of Rapinoe as it was evident Sweden couldn't handle the speed of the US attackers.
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Rapinoe's inclusion showed to be a joke. She was awful as a sub and choked her PK.
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I'll get the political stuff out of the way first.

Though an active follower/supporter of the USWNT since the days of Mia Hamm, Julie Foudy, and Brandi Chastain, I'm one of those many supporters who has been so turned off by the combination of Rapinoe, the anthem disrespect, the contract issues, and the left-wing activism in general associated with the team that I haven't followed or watched them in about 5 years.

I'm hopeful that with Rapinoe gone it will provide them an opportunity to kind of reboot the program from both from an on-the-pitch and off-the-pitch standpoint, and I look forward to re-engaging as a fan/supporter as that happens.

As far as the post-Rapinoe reboot is concerned I believe the USWNT needs to transition for the women into what the USMNT is for the men; their principle side gig rather than their primary job/responsibility.

1) The USWNT/US Soccer would focus less on marketing/catering to individual players (especially ones that are past the primes) providing both greater opportunity to a larger, less exclusive pool of potential national team players, while at the same time creating greater incentive to integrate younger up-and-coming players into the national team pool.

2) The players would invest more time/focus on developing their technical/tactical skills playing and training with their club teams (which with the men is basically where ALL their training/development comes). IMO the USWNT and its core players spends too much time basically playing the role of traveling exhibition team.

3) Some of the resources that US Soccer would otherwise spend on the USWNT should be refocused on youth development here in the states and/or helping finance and/or locate opportunities for youth development in Europe for promising young players.

4) In addition, some of the resources that US Soccer would otherwise spend on the USWNT should be refocused on building up the NWSL into the premier women's league in the world in terms of coaching and competition, so as to provide greater domestic opportunities to continue developing young players, as they transition to full-time professionals, into the next crop of national team players.

5) In the short term, while working on #4 national team caliber players/prospects should be encouraged to play/develop in European teams/academies as well, even if it means less "visibility" from a marketing standpoint while playing overseas.
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I think the real concern going forward is the young players. The older players have already won two world cups, and they'll move on from this in short order because they have that experience to fall back on the confidence that they gain from winning those cups. The younger players are going to take this really hard and it could really adversely affect their confidence going forward. The coach has to be able to build them back up from where they are and take them to the next level.
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This 100x… great post!
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Was the old pay structure part of the reason this women's team was divided into past-their-prime old hands and inexperienced youngsters? I can't seem to find what the process was to take older players off contract and move up younger players. The new CBA makes this moot now, but it seems like the old pay structure was ultimately not well thought out.
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Pretty much echos my thoughts on the whole thing
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1836er said:

I'll get the political stuff out of the way first.

Though an active follower/supporter of the USWNT since the days of Mia Hamm, Julie Foudy, and Brandi Chastain, I'm one of those many supporters who has been so turned off by the combination of Rapinoe, the anthem disrespect, the contract issues, and the left-wing activism in general associated with the team that I haven't followed or watched them in about 5 years.

I'm hopeful that with Rapinoe gone it will provide them an opportunity to kind of reboot the program from both from an on-the-pitch and off-the-pitch standpoint, and I look forward to re-engaging as a fan/supporter as that happens.

As far as the post-Rapinoe reboot is concerned I believe the USWNT needs to transition for the women into what the USMNT is for the men; their principle side gig rather than their primary job/responsibility.

1) The USWNT/US Soccer would focus less on marketing/catering to individual players (especially ones that are past the primes) providing both greater opportunity to a larger, less exclusive pool of potential national team players, while at the same time creating greater incentive to integrate younger up-and-coming players into the national team pool.

2) The players would invest more time/focus on developing their technical/tactical skills playing and training with their club teams (which with the men is basically where ALL their training/development comes). IMO the USWNT and its core players spends too much time basically playing the role of traveling exhibition team.

3) Some of the resources that US Soccer would otherwise spend on the USWNT should be refocused on youth development here in the states and/or helping finance and/or locate opportunities for youth development in Europe for promising young players.

4) In addition, some of the resources that US Soccer would otherwise spend on the USWNT should be refocused on building up the NWSL into the premier women's league in the world in terms of coaching and competition, so as to provide greater domestic opportunities to continue developing young players, as they transition to full-time professionals, into the next crop of national team players.

5) In the short term, while working on #4 national team caliber players/prospects should be encouraged to play/develop in European teams/academies as well, even if it means less "visibility" from a marketing standpoint while playing overseas.


Nothing remotely political about demonstrative respect for the country you represent. If you can't represent your country with respect, then you don't represent your country. It's not a political issue. It's a right and wrong issue.
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I'm going to just completely ignore PKs, because those are so 50/50 and up in the air its not even worth really evaluating.

Morgan, Rodman, and SMith had amazing interplay the first 60 minutes, and we were very unlucky to not win in regulation. Williams actually looked pretty effective this game coming in for Rodman, but I assume if Rodman was 100% you never sub her out.
I think the game was lost when we subbed in Rapinoe for Morgan, as Morgan was stil looking very effective. Sullivan was hitting quality crosses in all game, and we were generating chances off them. You bring in Rapinoe for one thing, and all she did was hit subpar corners, free kicks, and crosses. Thats just a coach making a very poor decision off of feelings versus how the player has been playing.
I do give him credit for adjusting the formation and tactics, and Horan was much more advanced and playing really well with the front 3...but its all undone by the Rapinoe sub, imo.

Thats my first game watching Sweden play, and while they have some skilled players, they play some boring old school soccer. Get it to the touchline, and just lump it in into the box and pray.
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Morgan was pretty gassed. I agree that bringing in Rapinoe wasn't the right move. This team lacked scorers so not sure who would've been the right sub.

I don't know that I'd say the US was unlucky. They had chances and didn't execute. A lot of those attempts on goal weren't remotely threatening. This team never clicked in the last third. Even against Vietnam.
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BBRex said:

Was the old pay structure part of the reason this women's team was divided into past-their-prime old hands and inexperienced youngsters? I can't seem to find what the process was to take older players off contract and move up younger players. The new CBA makes this moot now, but it seems like the old pay structure was ultimately not well thought out.

Yes this was a huge piece of the problem. The new CBA fixes that problem at least. The failure at this WC also means they do not have a bunch of aged out starts for the US to focus on to try and sell tickets etc.
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It is fitting that MR's last shot of her woke, self-aggrandizing, patriotically insulting soccer career was a wild blast that had no chance of success. She smiled on the field and laughed about it during her press conference appearance. The world laughed too, at her.

The upside for soccer fans will be the disappearance of the TV commercials touting America's boastful arrogance and, especially, Megan Rapinoe's harangue about woke perversions.

Moreover, Sophia Smith had, literally, the chance of a lifetime in soccer to win a sensational world cup knockout match and she put the ball out of play. Unfortunately for a player in her youth, her gaff will be an ugly, lifetime tattoo.

Bring on the next generation to clean up this mess.

Edits for spelling and clarity
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