If Swanson were starting and Morgan came in as a sub, this team had an entirely different look.
***** USWNT vs Sweden WC Game Thread *****
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Idk, I think if folks are wanting to be mad, they'll find something or someone in the next generation of players to be mad about. Same about the teams of the good old days - I doubt that folks would love the personal politics of every player on the title-winning teams of the previous generation; they just mostly lacked the outlets and opportunities to voice their beliefs.
As far as next steps for the WNT, there needs to be some thought given to continuing to widen the talent ID net and development opportunities for American girls. Youth leagues are a complicated and pricey mess. And straightening out the scandal-ridden NWSL is a must too. New coaching staff as well. But this all depends on USSF leadership having a vision and goal for the future of the sport in the country and that's tough for me to buy at this point. I'd be happy to have them prove me wrong though.
As far as next steps for the WNT, there needs to be some thought given to continuing to widen the talent ID net and development opportunities for American girls. Youth leagues are a complicated and pricey mess. And straightening out the scandal-ridden NWSL is a must too. New coaching staff as well. But this all depends on USSF leadership having a vision and goal for the future of the sport in the country and that's tough for me to buy at this point. I'd be happy to have them prove me wrong though.
bagger05 said:
Morgan was pretty gassed. I agree that bringing in Rapinoe wasn't the right move. This team lacked scorers so not sure who would've been the right sub.
I don't know that I'd say the US was unlucky. They had chances and didn't execute. A lot of those attempts on goal weren't remotely threatening. This team never clicked in the last third. Even against Vietnam.
Morgan was definitely gassed. She was only making about 1 out of every 3 runs by the time ET rolled around. But yeah, bringing MR in and asking her to take over that role was bordering on elder abuse.
Bottom line, we played much better but didn't finish any of the quality chances we had to win it before penalties. Sucks but that's the game.
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Tough way to go out, we dominated regulation and were a much better team with the minor lineup changes. Bad time for their keeper to go all Tim Howard on us but she was stopping everything. And Naeher was quiet but solid in regulation then spectacular in the shootout, almost every one of her guesses was spot on even if she didn't make the save. Unfortunate for Rapinoe to miss because, well, I knew we'd get the posts in here and on social media that we did. And that last not quite save in the shootout...ugh.
Going to be interesting to see the true next generation of this team in the next cycle.
Tough way to go out, we dominated regulation and were a much better team with the minor lineup changes. Bad time for their keeper to go all Tim Howard on us but she was stopping everything. And Naeher was quiet but solid in regulation then spectacular in the shootout, almost every one of her guesses was spot on even if she didn't make the save. Unfortunate for Rapinoe to miss because, well, I knew we'd get the posts in here and on social media that we did. And that last not quite save in the shootout...ugh.
Going to be interesting to see the true next generation of this team in the next cycle.
jeffk said:
Idk, I think if folks are wanting to be mad, they'll find something or someone in the next generation of players to be mad about. Same about the teams of the good old days - I doubt that folks would love the personal politics of every player on the title-winning teams of the previous generation; they just mostly lacked the outlets and opportunities to voice their beliefs.
As far as next steps for the WNT, there needs to be some thought given to continuing to widen the talent ID net and development opportunities for American girls. Youth leagues are a complicated and pricey mess. And straightening out the scandal-ridden NWSL is a must too. New coaching staff as well. But this all depends on USSF leadership having a vision and goal for the future of the sport in the country and that's tough for me to buy at this point. I'd be happy to have them prove me wrong though.
Couldn't agree more. Ask any parent of a girl trying to play high level soccer in this country. It's alphabet soup of competing leagues and politics designed to make money.
GA,ECNL, FDL, abcdefhijk RL.
Girls are rewarded just as the tweet above mentioned…just be athletic. They have technical ability but the game isn't played at a super technical/team level. It's a series of tournament mercenary squads more akin to AAU basketball than anything else. Problem is basketball has 5 players and is a strongest link game and soccer is often decided by the weakest link and there are 11 players.
Our domestic league has a ton of only moderately funded teams, many of whom don't even have real youth systems (Dash).
The top girls in Europe play at Premier League and Bundesliga and La Liga academies. Their best players tend to clump on domestic teams.
Because the system in Europe is based not on an up front cash grab they get to put way more kids through programs coached by much more skilled coaches. That means there is little to no cost to play at any number of academies across Europe. That's why they can cast such a wide net.
We get to pay thousands of dollars to attend to try and get a scholarship to SHSU.
We send our best players to colleges still… elite players in Germany go to Wolfsburg . Best players in Spain to Barca…
The rise is English soccer and Premier League involvement isn't coincidental and it isn't just monetary commitment it's access to coaching and games and opportunities.
Here it's which club gets to what competitive league but you can't be in another league because politics. We succeed here despite the system in place.
Vlatko absolutely robbed the federation. Is he brain dead or something? It's like we didn't even have a coach at times.
I get we couldn't do it, but if there was ever a coach who deserved to be dismissed during a World Cup, it would be him.
I get we couldn't do it, but if there was ever a coach who deserved to be dismissed during a World Cup, it would be him.
Subbing out Morgan was the right call, she had nothing left. From where I was sitting, if she couldn't make something happen within 1-2 dribbles she didn't have the legs to get herself into a better situation before the Swedes just blanketed her. Rapinoe brought in a TON of confidence and did some more veteran moves to push things forward but it seemed like she was trying to win the cup with every kick.
The Swedes were much faster overall, but our defenders played out of their minds the entire game.
The Swedes were much faster overall, but our defenders played out of their minds the entire game.
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Well we get a year to find out what's next, the Olympics should be interesting so see who we roll,out
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Did s anyone else wonder why the showed the post match celebration instead of a replay of the pk. Just a thought because I think FIFA is corrupt.
B$Weigem said:
Did s anyone else wonder why the showed the post match celebration instead of a replay of the pk. Just a thought because I think FIFA is corrupt.
They showed multiple replays.
Took a while but they gave us what we wanted. Eventually got the VAR-type look at the ball BARELY over the line.
Was there a shot down the linebagger05 said:
Took a while but they gave us what we wanted. Eventually got the VAR-type look at the ball BARELY over the line.
I think so... not directly. They did the thing where they morph the video into the computer image and show the ball and the line.
Always will root for USA to win. Wife and daughter have followed USA WNT since the 90s. Disappointing but honestly, 0 goals in last 3 games is telling. It's time to reload and find the next gen and focus on soccer.
bagger05 said:
I think so... not directly. They did the thing where they morph the video into the computer image and show the ball and the line.
It's digital so they know the actual position of the ball but…damn that's still REALLY close…
When they say there are fine margins in a World Cup 🤏
— SuperSport Football ⚽️ (@SSFootball) August 6, 2023
This is how close the VAR call for Sweden's winning penalty in their #FIFAWWC match against the USA was! pic.twitter.com/i8s86awW2Y
The refs watched buzzed that it fully broke the plane. They went to VAR just to confirm since it was such a big moment. The VAR booth has more data and video angles than what they show us.
Interesting, didn't know how it worked, thanks.
I'd be curious about tolerances because I don't know that you could slide a piece of paper between the ball and the goal line.
I'd be curious about tolerances because I don't know that you could slide a piece of paper between the ball and the goal line.
This came up on Reddit. A lot of people asking what the margin of error is for goal line tech. At some point, we have to just go with good enough. In tennis, Hawkeye has a margin of error like 3mm. Everyone accepts the decision of Hawkeye.
I want VAR so that we fix the egregiously bad decisions/no decisions like Chelsea vs Cardiff City in 2019. Chelsea scored an equalizer that was offside by 2 yards easy. Then Chelsea got another goal to win it. Cardiff city was in a relegation scrap. Neil Warnock who was their manager at the time had a great rant about it.
But again I want VAR to fix that. Instead, like the nfl with the catch rules, we can't figure out what a handball is. We can't 100% agree where the offside body part is. So on and so on.
But again I want VAR to fix that. Instead, like the nfl with the catch rules, we can't figure out what a handball is. We can't 100% agree where the offside body part is. So on and so on.
Furlock Bones said:
This came up on Reddit. A lot of people asking what the margin of error is for goal line tech. At some point, we have to just go with good enough. In tennis, Hawkeye has a margin of error like 3mm. Everyone accepts the decision of Hawkeye.
Agreed. If you have a system, eventually a scenario will arise that pushes the tolerances. You just have to go with "good enough" in those situations.
Oh, and pray your team isn't the one that gets screwed in that scenario.
Again, to my point earlier, Instant replay is supposed to fix the egregious errors not legislate the game. If a couple of millimeters near a line are the decision point, I don't think anyone should complain. It's the player offside by 2 yards, that is what needs fixing. The concacrap play acting that gets American players red carded. Of course, we have already seen how they won't fix that.jeffk said:
Oh, and pray your team isn't the one that gets screwed in that scenario.
Totally fair, just in a situation like this when it's literally a question of millimeters and your team is on the short end..it sucks.jeffk said:Furlock Bones said:
This came up on Reddit. A lot of people asking what the margin of error is for goal line tech. At some point, we have to just go with good enough. In tennis, Hawkeye has a margin of error like 3mm. Everyone accepts the decision of Hawkeye.
Agreed. If you have a system, eventually a scenario will arise that pushes the tolerances. You just have to go with "good enough" in those situations.
That said, VAR has ruined offside for me. I want it called if an attacker gets a step on a defender, I don't care (for or against my team) if there's a shoulder or arm or head leaning ahead. That means they just reacted faster and I'm fine with them having a slight advantage.
fig96 said:Totally fair, just in a situation like this when it's literally a question of millimeters and your team is on the short end..it sucks.jeffk said:Furlock Bones said:
This came up on Reddit. A lot of people asking what the margin of error is for goal line tech. At some point, we have to just go with good enough. In tennis, Hawkeye has a margin of error like 3mm. Everyone accepts the decision of Hawkeye.
Agreed. If you have a system, eventually a scenario will arise that pushes the tolerances. You just have to go with "good enough" in those situations.
That said, VAR has ruined offside for me. I want it called if an attacker gets a step on a defender, I don't care (for or against my team) if there's a shoulder or arm or head leaning ahead. That means they just reacted faster and I'm fine with them having a slight advantage.
They're experimenting with that.
https://sports.yahoo.com/uswnts-world-cup-dream-ends-by-a-millimeter-its-brutal-190657393.html
Article says an affirmative goal by 1 mm and the system reportedly has a margin of error of 3-5 mm. It's supposed to take 1 second and took 27.
Article says an affirmative goal by 1 mm and the system reportedly has a margin of error of 3-5 mm. It's supposed to take 1 second and took 27.
Mathguy64 said:
https://sports.yahoo.com/uswnts-world-cup-dream-ends-by-a-millimeter-its-brutal-190657393.html
Article says an affirmative goal by 1 mm and the system reportedly has a margin of error of 3-5 mm. It's supposed to take 1 second and took 27.
Brutal brutal brutal
Every hour that passes since the penalty shootout is another goal that I hope Japan beats Sweden by. Sweden has received way too much favor from the soccer gods. It's time for them to pay for it in the form of a Japanese ass kicking.
Unfortunate showing. Kind of feels like if USA basketball sent the 1992 Dream Team to the 2020 Olympics.
take out all of the extraneous crap which we've all talked about. go back to the last Olympics. many could see the writing on the wall for this group of players. they won the last world cup, but it was obvious they were on the downswing.
US Soccer should have taken the Olympics as a wake up call to massively overhaul the roster. but, they didn't. this was a not unexpected result.
US Soccer should have taken the Olympics as a wake up call to massively overhaul the roster. but, they didn't. this was a not unexpected result.
I'm hoping Japan sends Swedens WWC titles dreams to Valhalla.
I actually think I'm rooting for Japan here on out.
I actually think I'm rooting for Japan here on out.
Furlock Bones said:
take out all of the extraneous crap which we've all talked about. go back to the last Olympics. many could see the writing on the wall for this group of players. they won the last world cup, but it was obvious they were on the downswing.
US Soccer should have taken the Olympics as a wake up call to massively overhaul the roster. but, they didn't. this was a not unexpected result.
I really felt like this WAS pretty huge overhaul of the roster.
The old guard that everyone complained about at the Olympics (Lloyd, Heath, Press) are gone. Rapinoe only got limited minutes at the end of matches because we weren't scoring (and frankly, regardless of any personal feelings about her, we looked most dangerous when she was out there yesterday).
Who is out there that can put the ball in the net that is not getting a chance to show what they can do?
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