Michigan was a 6 seed in 1992 and really came out of nowhere to get trounced in the final by Duke.

Michigan was a 1 seed in 1993, and lost a close final game to UNC. However, UNC led the entire game, and controlled the game for the most part.

In other words, the Fab 5's failure to win a title was no surprise at the time. Their first year they were a middle of the pack tournament team that played well in MArch (ala Arizona in '97). Their second year they were very good, but weren't the favorites to win the tourney. They were a far cry from '92 Duke, '90-'91 UNLV, '83 UH, or '84(?) Georgetown, or '96 Kentucky. They weren't even on the level of '05 or '09 UNC, '99 or '01 Duke, or '97 or '10 Kansas, when we talk about teams who were favored to cut down the nets pre-tourney.

Again, the story with the Fab 5 was the collection of talent from the same class year, and how the heck did Fisher pull it off?

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and how the heck did Fisher pull it off?

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OK drama queen.... nobody was saying it didn't exist before 1980. I was the one who made the 30 year cutoff. That was done only to try to seperate eras... not to say it didn't exist before then

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Yeah yeah yeah. Maybe I was being a little dramatic.

I don't think their's that much separation of eras between the late 60's/early 70's and the 80's styles of basketball. Walton and Kareem were still playing pro ball well into the 80's (Maravich likely would have too if not for the injuries) so it's not THAT far fetched to include them in the so called "modern era".

So if someone is discussing greatest players of all time I don't see how you can arbitrarily make the cutoff circa 1980. Last 10 years....last 20 years.....last 30 years.....whatever. Pete Maravich would have thumped 95% of all players that have ever played the game in 1-on-1. The same can be said for Kareem.

I'm not old enough to have seen them play live in college, but I watch every clip I can of them playing back in the day and remember watching the big men playing pro ball quite a bit.

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He had arguably the best game ever in college basketball (the perfect game vs. Kentucky with game winning shot*)

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*A game he never should have finished because he should have been ejected from in the first half. As much as I can’t stand the guy, he was a great college player. I’m not sure what he’s doing now but if he ever needs money he could go door-to-door in Kentucky for a year and charge folks $10 to punch him in the face and he could live comfortably for the rest of his life.

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I thought the cultural effect the Fab 5 had on the game was way overblown. I remember watching them their first 2 years, thinking that they were far too young to win a national championship, but being impressed with their talent. But I never noticed the color of their shoes, the length of their shorts, and couldn't care one bit about their music tastes. I never even considered that the Fab 5 was about the Fab 5; from day one I remember the big story - how did Steve Fisher get 5 guys this good at the same time?

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As an aside, I remember sometime in the mid-80's when somebody told me that Georgetown was an elite white school. I had no idea. I thought it was like Grambling or Prairie View. I can't be the only kid who thought that.

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LOL @ Kentucky. Those teams were cohesive and well-coached. They weren't as stacked as Michigan was.

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The Fab 5 wouldn’t have been able to stay within 10 points of the 1995-96 UK team.

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The only player for Kentucky that made any kind of impact professionally in the 90's was Jamal Mashburn and the Fab Five ran through that team.

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If by “ran through” you mean “beat in OT after Mashburn fouled out and Jimmel Martinez took a bad shot” then yes, they ran through UK. I believe Rose stated in the documentary that the 93 UK team was the best team they faced. But yes, the big 3 of the Fab 5 had better NBA careers than many of their peers.

I watched part of the documentary and my impression was that Jalen Rose was trying to make the Fab 5 out to be some sort of cultural icon on par with Texas Western, Jackie Robinson, etc. Basketball wise they weren’t doing anything that UNLV, Georgetown, Louisville, or a large collection of any other team were doing before them. Cultural wise I guess they changed college basketball uniforms and I guess they managed to make a lot of money for UM since I remember white kids in Kentucky wearing Michigan crap. I’m not sure they contributed anything positive to college basketball other than some entertaining games.

What the documentary did make me think about was missing those great teams from the early 90’s and how players were around long enough that “everyone” knew who they were. I’d like to see college basketball adopt the baseball rule where if you go to a DI school you can’t enter the draft for three years.

Mr. Hill responded today

http://thequad.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/03/16/grant-hills-response-to-jalen-rose/?ref=todayspaper

Welcome to yesterday.

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...i had no idea he was told to call time out

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I had no idea either. I probably would of called a timeout had I saw someone from the bench signaling to do so.