yes, we've landed on the moon, i know. but a great show, especially the first hour.

watched. enjoyed. thought it was hilarious webber declined to be on it.

Could have been great. Somehow, Webber declining to participate made it more palpable.

Pros:

1. Jalen Rose's quotables
2. Grade school highlights (CWebb smashing it on chubby white kid who couldn't have been more than 5 feet tall)
3. Random rappers chiming in
4. Christian Laettner getting called a ***** on national TV (20 years later!)

Cons:

1. Jalen Rose's unquotables
2. Needed more highlights from other opponents besides Duke (I know they went through Mashburn/UK and Van Exel/Cincy)
3. Got the feeling that the director took more shots at Webber than he would have if Chris had participated
4. A little long

the uncut entire walk of webber walking off the court after the loss was poignant.

Whoa, whoa, whoa....timeout...

Webber refused to participate?

I just wanted to say timeout.

I know these aren't supposed to be documentaries, but I'm pretty sure the producers made sure these guys looked good.


Executive Producer: Jalen Rose

Producers: Jimmy King, Ray Jackson, Juwan Howard

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the uncut entire walk of webber walking off the court after the loss was poignant.

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agreed, that stung me, and i wasn't even on the team

I also thought the entire analysis of "the timeout" was awesome. i had no idea he was told to call time out

I agreed with many that thought Michigan owed Webber more than he owed them. Sure, he lied to the jury about not receiving a dime but I'm sure many players and staff were at least as culpable as he was.

So, 2013, Michigan can just associate themselves with C Webb again? What for?

love how JK and Jalen can call Duke racist, but if a white player EVER said that about Georgetown, DePaul, etc, they'd be kicked out of school.

Double standard is alive and well!

really enjoyed it, wish C-webb woulda agreed to be interviewed as well

it really is amazing that those 5 talented guys all came together to play together for 2 years, doubt anything like that will ever happen again

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it really is amazing that those 5 talented guys all came together to play together for 2 years, doubt anything like that will ever happen again

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2009-2010 kentucky was pretty much as close as it gets

I loved how they kept complaining that Michigan was making all of this money off of them and they weren't getting anything. Never mind the fact that they were getting a free education at one of the best schools in the US. Just because they didn't care about that part of it doesn't mean they weren't getting anything. Jalen especially seemed really bitter and like he still had this chip on his shoulder after all these years.

he isn't bitter at michigan, more about the system. It's funny because people still say the same things today

thats why athletes that play revenue producing sports should be paid. The scholly isn't near enough

I enjoyed the show. A few random comments...
- Rose did come across as somewhat bitter.
- Other than the UCLA freshman team with Lew Alcindor, there has probably never been a team so young & talented.
- All five of them were probably paid in some form or fashion.
- I really enjoyed seeing the highlights of Duke beating them. They sure had a bunch of good white boys.
- Laetner was somewhat of a bust as a pro, but in my opinion he was the best college player of the last 30 years.
- The Fab Five were underachievers. They have ZERO titles between them all in college or the pros.

To be fair though, the NBA robbed the Kings in 2002.

Thought it was funny that Jalen was calling Duke and Laettner *******, because I ALWAYS thought Rose and Webber were big fat vaginas.

I got distracted this weekend and forgot to watch/record.

Is there any way to watch it now?

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thats why athletes that play revenue producing sports should be paid. The scholly isn't near enough

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Congrats.

You just eliminated every sport other than football and basketball.

that was the point tennerman, if your sport generates money you get paid a percentage.

if not you just get your full or partial scholly

You do know every sport other than football and basketball is funded by football & basketball right? The money you want to give those athletes would come from the scholarships of the athletes in other sports.

that's fine, the only sports that matter are football, men's basketball, and baseball

make the rest of them club sports for all i care

Fab5 doc re-airs ESPN: 3/21: 10 p.m. (ESPNU) & 1:30 am ESPN2

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The money you want to give those athletes would come from the scholarships of the athletes in other sports.

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Wrong. It would come from the revenue generated from Football, Men's BBall, and Baseball (where the scholarships for "athletes in other sports" comes from). But you already knew that:

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You do know every sport other than football and basketball is funded by football & basketball right?

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I just don't get why you think money siphoned from revenue-generating sports belongs to the other sports. You know, if the system wasn't jacked up.

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that's fine, the only sports that matter are football, men's basketball, and baseball

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Baseball isn’t a net income sport outside of a small handful of colleges. You’d barely be able to have a conference with the teams that make money on it.

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Wrong. It would come from the revenue generated from Football, Men's BBall, and Baseball (where the scholarships for "athletes in other sports" comes from). But you already knew that:

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My gosh man, you quoted what I said and still didn’t understand what I was saying?

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I just don't get why you think money siphoned from revenue-generating sports belongs to the other sports. You know, if the system wasn't jacked up.

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It doesn’t “belong” to anybody but the athletic departments which are part of universities. If you want to pick and choose which sports should exist, go to professional sports.

The fact both of you list baseball with revenue generating sports is a pretty darn good indicator of the general ignorance on the subject.

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My gosh man, you quoted what I said and still didn’t understand what I was saying?

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Are you an idiot?

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The money you want to give those athletes would come from the scholarships of the athletes in other sports.

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That's exactly what you wrote. How could that money "come from the scholarships of other athletes" when that revenue is generated in the sport in which you'd pay the athletes? Taking that money from football and giving that money to scholarships for women's basketweaving doesn't just magically mean you're stealing it from women's basketweaving.

Really good column from Jason Whitlock.

http://msn.foxsports.com/collegebasketball/story/ESPN-The-Fab-Five-documentary-Jalen-Rose-Chris-Webber-Juwan-Howard-Jimmy-King-Ray-Jackson-031511

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thats why athletes that play revenue producing sports should be paid. The scholly isn't near enough

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You're right. That's why they get a free education + books, a place to stay and 3 meals a day. Again, whether they choose to take advantage of the free education part is up to them, but it's still part of what they are getting paid, and it's ridiculous that people ignore it.

Not to mention that because of Title IX they legally aren't allowed to pay any of the male athletes without paying the same amount to the female athletes.

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You're right. That's why they get a free education + books, a place to stay and 3 meals a day. Again, whether they choose to take advantage of the free education part is up to them, but it's still part of what they are getting paid, and it's ridiculous that people ignore it

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all of that is still just a fraction of the amount of money that is generated by ticket sales, TV money, apparel, etc. that comes in to the university from football and basketball (and i never said baseball was revenue producing, but i love baseball so i simply made it the exception).

the Fab 5 definitely were exploited, and they deserved to see some of that cash

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If you want to pick and choose which sports should exist, go to professional sports.

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Dumb statement. They CAN'T go play professional sports without having played college ball first (other than baseball). They're subject to the monopoly that is the NFL and NBA and the rules that they have about years out of highschool.

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They CAN'T go play professional sports without having played college ball first (other than baseball).

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Brandon Jennings disagrees with this. Even at the time of the documentary, guys could jump straight to the NBA from high school. Regardless, I tend to agree that at the very least, players SHOULD get a portion of the money for things schools license such as jerseys with their numbers on them, etc.

The whole thing opens up a can of worms that's really started to turn me off re: NCAA sports. I mean, sure, I still watch the tournament and big BCS bowls not to mention the Ags. But it annoys the **** out of me that the NCAA pretends its still an amateur athletic association where that's been proven to be just crap so many times over.

If it came down to it, I'd be more about the NCAA if they just cut the crap and let every program fend for itself and pay or not pay whatever. It'd probably incentivise everything enough where your top schools would play your top schools and things like the BCS wouldn't exist to protect the top programs... they'd protect themselves.


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- Laetner was somewhat of a bust as a pro, but in my opinion he was the best college player of the last 30 years.

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michael jordan, Ralph Sampson, Akeem Olajuwon, Kevin Durant, JJ redick and Tyler Hansbrough say hello

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all of that is still just a fraction of the amount of money that is generated by ticket sales, TV money, apparel, etc. that comes in to the university from football and basketball (and i never said baseball was revenue producing, but i love baseball so i simply made it the exception).

the Fab 5 definitely were exploited, and they deserved to see some of that cash

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Undergrad tuition right now at Michigan is 25K a year for instate and 50K a year for out of state. So basically athletes there get paid 100 to 200 thousand dollars over the course of their careers. And that's not counting the free tutoring, clothes, and all the other perks they get for being an athlete. They also get the national exposure that will eventually lead to them getting drafted. It's a trade-off. They get the free education (something a lot of people have to take out student loans for that take years to pay off) and Michigan got to use their images and skills to sell tickets and jerseys. They knew what they were getting into, and if they didn't like it they should have gone pro right away. And if players today don't like it they can go to Europe (obviously not in the NFL's case, but that's the NFL's fault, not the NCAA).

Not to mention, how do you quantify how much one player impacts the bottom line of the university? Does the quarterback get more than the punter? Does the starting point guard get more than the 12th guy on the bench? Will this increase the gap between the 15-20 schools that can actually afford to pay players and the rest of the athletic departments that are already losing money every year? And again, how do you get around the Title IX legal issues? This idea always sounds good in principle until you actually try and apply it.

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I thought about the Jennings set up after I typed this and that is one way around it. As for them being able to jump to the pro's out of high school, even though it was possible, none of the pro teams were drafting high school kids. I may be missing a name or two here, but there was something like 17-18 years between high school kids drafted (Moses Malone - Kevin Garnett?).

If the likes of Webber and Shaq weren't getting drafted, then it might as well be a rule that high schoolers had to go to college in some capacity in order to get drafted.

My point was...don't be so dismissive about saying that they had a choice (pro vs. college)....they didn't.

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All of those are great players, but I'd still pick Laettner as the best college player in the group.... the one I'd one to build a college team around.

In my opinion, he had the greatest combination of individual and team honors.
- Only player to ever start in four final fours.
- 2 National Titles
- He had arguably the best game ever in college basketball (the perfect game vs. Kentucky with game winning shot)
- Player of the year honors

Out of the ones you listed, Hansbrough has the best case. Durant shouldn't even be in the conversation with only one year of play.