Lin can't guard anyone, but he looked great on offense

I missed most of the first half of the Spurs game, but while I was watching Lin was invisible. He rang up some points against the bench down 20 in the last couple minutes, but other than that he had one nice drive and a couple routine assists.

The only guy who looked like he could get a good shot most of the time was Anthony.

I think D'Antoni's days are (and should be) numbered.

Jeremy Lin was pretty well shut down last night. He didn't really have an impact on the game at all, other than a couple of nice steals.

The Knicks were terrible on D. Not even average, just flat out terrible. The Spurs murdered them without even really putting forth a ton of effort. The only reason their defense rates middle of the pack is because the bottom half of their conference is a laughingstock.

I have a hard time watching the Spurs awful defense this year (awful by their usual standards anyway), but I'd hate to be a Knicks fan watching that joke of a pick-up game defense.

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I think D'Antoni's days are (and should be) numbered.

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i've been saying "fire d'antoni" since 2009-2010

any ****ing moron could coach that team as assembled to 45-48 wins this season

this dumbass will coach them to 35

whatever happened to jeremy lin?

I think he was relegated to the D-League.

in the past 6 games Lin is averaging:

16ppg
7apg
3.8 turnovers per game
39% FG

not horrible. but not the huge hoopla.

oh and most importantly, all losses.

fire dantoni, trade melo.

Yea. Melo is a huge problem. They should never have traded for him.

he's actually been playing well i think since melo came back

it's amar'e that's the problem. The guy sucks dick. Those who say it's melo haven't watched all of the games. I've watched every knicks game this year, and he's a full step slower and can't jump anymore

Amare is the bigger problem than Melo. His matador defense and he's not the offensive player he once was.

sine melo came back, lin is not the same. They lost the team chemistry. They were better w/o melo and amare

Lin having knee surgery and out for the season. Damn. Was hoping to see some Linsanity in the playoffs.

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atfarmer
posted 4:13p, 02/17/12this



Yes, I'm sure you could juke John Wall, explode past him toward the lane, leap from the left edge of the paint (about 55-60% of the way to the freethrow line from the basket), twist in midair, and throw down a dunk into the right side of the basket before any of the other NBA players on the court could move to contest the shot.

Unless you have a truly putrid shot, if you have enough athleticism to do that, you can get in the D-league at minimum and don't have to be playing pickup ball in a church league. So you had 1) a putrid shot, 2) a terrible agent, 3) different career ambitions, or 4) are exaggerating your ass off.

My money is on 4.

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I went to the park today with my 8 year old boy. The ball I am using is a junior (just smaller than a woman's), but I was loose and had someone available to video. Here it is:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWnRGV_VOA8

me, a 34 year old (12/77) white guy, off of two feet. In my prime, I had a 39" two step vertical, probably 40-41" max...... and I dunked "on" birdman in 98 at Aerofit (he was probably 19 or 20).

PS
My boy scored about 20 in his YMCA game Sat... score was 44-8



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Do peopel still think the Knicks are better without Melo?

Yankees once said

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it's amar'e that's the problem. The guy sucks dick. Those who say it's melo haven't watched all of the games. I've watched every knicks game this year, and he's a full step slower and can't jump anymore

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BBDP, not to be an ass, but you dunked from right under the basket. It wasn't at all the same dunk that Lin made. Again, he leapt from the left edge of the paint (about 55-60% of the way to the freethrow line from the basket), twisted in midair, and threw the ball into the right side of the basket.

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In my prime, I had a 39" two step vertical, probably 40-41" max...... and I dunked "on" birdman in 98 at Aerofit (he was probably 19 or 20).

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If you're not talking out of your ass, then allow me to be the first to say congratulations! You're also exceptionally athletic (NBA athletic, even). Almost nobody in the population has a 40-41" vertical and the few that do are mostly professional athletes. (by the way, that means #1 is true or that or you had terrible court vision). Either way, it doesn't take away from what Lin did in that video way back on page 1.

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BBDP, don't take this the wrong way, but you gotta be sh*tting me. You seriously think that Lin isn't as athletic as hell? You think what you posted at all belongs in this thread?

I don't think Lin is very athletic for an NBA point guard. He does not have near the physical tools that some do (except decent size). I never said he was not that athletic compared to the normal population. Basketball is more about skill than you are giving credit for.

A few things: I am a 34 year old engineer who plays 15-20 times per year and sits at a desk 45-50 hours per week, has 3 kids at home, etc. Give me 8 weeks of solid training no sistractions and if healthy, I could out jump Lin with relative ease. That does not make me a good basketball player.
Jumping off of 1 foot is easier than off of 2 for most.

Most football players jump higher than basketball players.... Go look at the combine results.

If you are 6'3", young, healthy, and any kind of athlete, you should be able to dunk with very little training.

Like I said; his dunks (all 5 of them ) are not that impressive..... Unless you are racist and don't think Chinese people can dunk.

BBDP, even basketball experts say that Lin has great athleticism for the position and one of the evidence of that is his high free throw rate and his ability to get to the cup and finish. You're not seeing past his race if you think he's not athletic.

Only 4 players at this year's NFL combine had a vertical of at least 40"...

No step: And none in the basketball combine have ever had a 40". Mine was not a no step. My no step was probably 36

Hotard; get me a link with those quotes and I will look at it.

My recollection was Dallas cut him due to limited up/ side..... Athleticism.


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I will get you those quotes and the reason the mavs and rockets and warriors cut him is because he had no.jump shot and a high turnover rate.

Atfarmer; The no charge zone is 4' from the center of the goal. He was 1'+\- from that arc. The rim is 18" in diameter. He took off about 4' from the rim off of one foot. The free throw line is 15' from the backboard.... So let's say 13' from the front of the rim. 4/13 is not 50%... 5/13 is not 50%..... Not even close.
Please clarify your 55-60% statement.

Also; notice he is about a full step from the jump circle...... Watch my video again. I was not directly under the goal...

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http://outkickthecoverage.com/article.php?cn=445
BBDP could DEFINITELY run a sub 5 forty.

The original question was why is Lin in the NBA and Acie isn't? The answer is Lin possesses NBA athleticism and Acie doesn't.

Lin is not an elite, Lebron-level athlete (If we were ranking him, I'd say he's a bit above average for an NBA guard). However, Acie doesn't possess that. I love the guy and I was hoping he could get by on hard work and moxie, but he's just not athletic enough. Lin is.

I got the 55% figure by eyeballing. If you look at the FT line, there are 3 hash marks as you head toward the basket. Lin is jumping from the 3rd, which looks to be about 55-60% of the way down the lane (I was calling "the lane" the space between the FT line and the out of bounds, though. If you're going from the basket, it looks to be more like 40-45%). You have to add, though, that he jumped from the left edge of the lane and slammed it down in the right side.

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Give me 8 weeks of solid training no sistractions and if healthy, I could out jump Lin with relative ease. That does not make me a good basketball player

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You're hilarious. After pages of **** talking, you upload a vid of a 6'4 guy (presumably you) doing a jogging dunk from right under the basket. Marlon Pompey would be ashamed of that vid. Did you really think it was comparable to the dunk on page 1? I mean really??

Seriously, it seems like your looking for an internet HJ from the "basketball other" board because you used to be able to jump really high (no way you're exaggerating AT ALL), which, in your mind, allows you to say things like "breaking John Wall's ankles and leaving him in the dust doesn't show any athleticism whatsoever derp derp."

Seriously, if you're that damn athletic and you could develop more explosiveness than Jeremy Lin in a month (and take John Wall to school), then get at it and sign with a team before the start of next season. It pays a hell of a lot better than being an engineer does.

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I think I said that I see better dunks in my church league. The guy is a solid player but is not a great athlete for nba as you have at least agreed now.
My point with my YouTube vid is that a 6'3" 34 year old white guy who sits at a desk can dunk so why does it suprise you when a 6'3" 23 year old NBA guard has a nice dunk in a wide open lane. It's not impressive on any NBA level. Law is as good of an athlete IMO. Law played better D. A lot of it is being at the right place at the right time. Law was not given that opportunity.

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Thanks for the 6'4" comment.... I always wanted to be that tall......

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I was considered a Lin optimist because my Draft Rater tapped him as an early-second-round pick two years ago -- that and his strong D-League play last season led me to conclude he could become a good backup someday. Most of the scouts I talked to disagreed, thinking he was too unsteady with his jumper and too sloppy with the ball.

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Additionally, and perhaps more importantly, there is every indication that Lin has yet to reach his ceiling. Take a closer look at his numbers and you can see why.

Again, there was no sign that THIS was coming, but there were signs of, well … something. Lin displayed a lot more athleticism than is typical of a fringe prospect, and it permeated his stat sheet at every level: high rates of steals and free throw attempts, and high rates of blocks and rebounds for a player of his size. Those are the four strongest "indicator" stats for athleticism, and he had check boxes in all of them.

This doesn't neatly fit the Harvard overachiever storyline, but Lin's biggest weaknesses were (and are) outside shooting and running the offense. He generated a high turnover rate in the D-League last season that offset what were otherwise some of the best numbers in the league, and even in his recent stretch of brilliance, he's been turnover-prone (22 in his past four games, albeit while having to create virtually every play). He still needs to work on things like 2-for-1s and shot clock management.

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http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/story/_/page/PERDiem-120213/nba-why-all-see-coming

You're just not getting it. The dunk isn't the only "wow" component of that play. It's the fact that he broke John Wall's ankles, exploded into the lane like he was shot out of a cannon, and then threw down a nice rotating dunk all before any of the other NBA athletes on the court could block him. You keep saying he's not athletic at all for the NBA, but he punked 3 people on one play and he did it using his athleticism. Law has never, ever done that, despite the fact that he's gotten a lot of minutes.

Look at this vid. Almost every play in the first 3 minutes is him using his speed to drive the lane.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJa7G-AGgOE

Here's another link for you that should finish of your "Lin isn't athletic" crusade

http://www.slamonline.com/online/nba/2012/03/life-in-the-fast-lane/

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Lin’s pre-Draft speed numbers have surfaced, giving fans new information and suggesting a new talent code for NBA success

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But how about speed—the pure athleticism that blue chip recruits possess? Speed is a key attribute for a point guard. He has to be able to penetrate and break down the defense. So, how do Lin’s speed numbers compare with the top NBA point guards? The good news is we can compare apples to apples. Portsmouth does the same tests as the NBA Combine, and BAM administers the tests.

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Brett Brungardt, BAM’s founder and former NBA strength and conditioning coach (Dallas Mavericks, 2000-2002), breaks down Lin’s speed numbers.

“Lin’s numbers are very impressive,” Brungardt says. “In the three-quarter court sprint, which is 25 yards, Lin’s BAM numbers compare favorably to Derrick Rose, John Wall and Kyrie Irving.”

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AVERAGE SPEED

Jeremy Lin: 16.66 mph

Derrick Rose: 16.60 mph

John Wall: 16.48 mph

Kyrie Irving: 15.67 mph

Lin wins this battle.

START SPEED

Lin: 13.93 mph

Wall: 13.25 mph

Irving: 12.64 mph

For Rose, BAM has only average speed data.

Lin wins this battle too.

TOP SPEED

Lin: 18.85 mph

Wall: 19.30 mph

Irving: 18.74 mph

Lin comes in second to Wall.

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Okay? There are his numbers up against some of the cream of the cream of the NBA. Turns out he's fast and explosive and you're wrong. Not just somewhat, but completely.

Still wondering how you could watch all these vids of him blowing past professional athlete after professional athlete and say his athleticism was unimpressive for the NBA.

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the numbers are impressive against wall and Irving.. I am surprised. However, those numbers are from two different combines.... kinda like A&M pro day vs the NFL combine. Find Laws BAM numbers and we can talk:::but the wall and irving comparison is interesting and shows my ignorance::: but your take on that one play is a joke.

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It's the fact that he broke John Wall's ankles, exploded into the lane like he was shot out of a cannon, and then threw down a nice rotating dunk all before any of the other NBA athletes on the court could block him.

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John Wall was shifting to prepare/avoid a screen, after the play he raises his arms in disgust of his teammates for not playing it correctly. John walls ankles were not broken, he was caught off guard and his teammate did not help. One guy ran out of the lane to avoid contact.
Watch is again[rul]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LiwSUxszuN0[/url]
Watch is closely. And his dunk is from 4-5 foot out. When you are right handed and you dunk from the left side, you rotate, that is how it is done off of one foot. If the opportunity permits, I will do the "same" and post it.
The exploding into the lane like he was shot out of a rocket is about the only correct analysis you have IMO.




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Did you read the quote I sent or are you ignoring that?

I did... Atfarmer's info/article points out similar info. Read my last post about me being surprised, etc.

Melo is such a tool. Trying to play a tough guy. He'll always be soft.