you would seriously take the cancer known as deron williams (the guy who has had TWO coaches fired in less than 2 years)?

you would seriously take westbrook, who doesn't know when to stop chunking up bricks and give the ball to kevin f'ing durant? the same dude who damn near cried on the sidelines yelling at his OWN TEAMMATE and then ran off to the locker room?

I can see the argument for chris paul. when he's on, he's brilliant. when he's off, his team doesn't stand a snowballs chance.

i can also see the argument for d-rose. the dude is electric. it also makes about zero sense to say "if i offered you parker for rose straight up, the bulls would say no" because rose is only 24 and parker is already on the other side of 30.

sweet hypothetical though. you really showed us. in the mean time, the spurs will continue to Metamucil our way to the best record in the league, again, with tony parker further convincing every sports writer/analyst who watches him why he should be considered for MVP.

Tony Parker isn't a stat stuffer like some of those other guys, but he is a perfect fit for the Spurs for a variety of reasons. He's consistent, unstoppable when he chooses to take over, plays within the offense, plays smart, and doesn't seem to care about chasing stats. For 2013, I wouldn't trade him for any PG. When you look at the long term, of course some of those 22-25 year olds start looking better; they have a lot longer to play. However, we're talking about the best PG in 2013, not 2018.

CP3 gets steals because he takes chances, but he's not actually a very good on-ball defender. I'll take Parker funneling his man to the shotblockers over Paul being hopelessly out of position every time. He's great offensively sometimes, although I can't say I've been impressed with his play against the Spurs over the last couple years.

Rose is an MVP candidate (and not in the "well, we've gotta pick someone from the best team" way) when he's healthy, but he has also missed a season and a half plus two playoffs already. He's going to have to choose between being explosive and playing, and without his explosion he's not the same player.

Deron Williams is the most overrated PG in the league and has been for years. For a couple years there it looked like he was going to break out as the second best, and most well-rounded, PG in the league, but he has settled into his rightful place as good but not elite PG (with a reputation as a coach killer). Oh, and he's in his 7th year, so you can't count on unrealized potential anymore.

Westbrook is athletic and talented, but I wouldn't trade him for TP even for the long term. Hotheaded, containable, bad decision making, and relies too much on athleticism, making him much more of an injury risk. Not really a Spurs player in spite of his obvious talent.

Tony Parker is a legit MVP candidate right now.

I believe a significant amount of his play should be credited to Pop and the culture he has created. I don't believe Parker would be performing at this high of level without his coach and the team if he were on most other teams.
However, that could be said about a lot of players as good players look better with good teammates.

Let's be honest though, Parker plays the most minutes at the highest level for the best team (by record) this season.

He plays with a 55 year old PF/C, a developing center, an arthritic and balding 42 y.o SG, and a bunch of non-lottery picks for teammates.

If this team is in a major media market, it would be TP and LBJ battling it out for MVP. They are 4 games up on everyone in the league right now. Not sure people realize what kind of separation that is. If Pop doesn't bench people, they could probably have best record in the league by 6-8 games.

Like many have said.. there are better PG's out there. But for the way the Spurs play, the coaching style, etc.. Tony is exactly the right fit and IS the MVP of their team this season.

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If this team is in a major media market, it would be TP and LBJ battling it out for MVP. They are 4 games up on everyone in the league right now. Not sure people realize what kind of separation that is. If Pop doesn't bench people, they could probably have best record in the league by 6-8 games.

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This. It's almost flat-out ridiculous how literally the "cogs in the machine" analogy applies so perfectly to the Spurs. Night after night, regardless of who's in or out, they play the same way and generate quality results.

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CP3 is the best PG in the league - best offensively, best defensively, best leader.

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CP3 has always been vastly overrated at defense.

TP just had 31 points in 28 minutes on 12-16 shooting with 7 assists and 0 turnovers on him.


Does Chris Paul have incredible ability? Sure. Does he utilize it? Not at all.

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Typical spurs fans always declaring themselves the greatest and getting ahead of themselves.

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Quotes from noted Spurs fans Kenny Smith, Charles Barkley and Reggie Miller in this thread.

TP should win the MVP. LBJ will.

TP's Feb numbers: 28ppg/9apg/58% FG

LBJ deserves the MVP if he continues to perform at the same high level he has all season long.

Tony Parker is an incredible point guard and trying to argue that he is not top 5 is ridiculous. I got a good laugh out of someone saying Rondo was even better than Parker. I will tell you what, call the Rockets and offer Parker straight up for Lin. Dork Elvis will take that trade!

Hahaha, so in addition to being a dunce, I'm also now a hater because I think he's a really good player, a top-6 PG, and would be an upgrade for 80% of NBA teams? There are over 100 point guards in the NBA. I'm saying he's top-6 and I'm a hater. Good lord, thanks for continuing to prove my point about spurs fans, I'm laughing even harder now.

Anyone who tries to make an argument that Deron Williams is better than Tony Parker is a dunce.

End of story.

Points:
TP 21.1
DW 16.9

Assists:
TP: 7.7
DW: 7.6

FG%:
TP 54%
DW 42%

3FG%
TP 38%
DW 36%

TO/G
TP 2.5
DW 2.9

Starter on Championship team:
TP 3
DW 0

Finals MVPs
TP 1
DW 0

Coaches killed:
TP: 0
DW: 2

I think TP is a top 5 MVP candidate and in the argument for top 2 PG... but I think if Chris Paul and Tony Parker traded places, the Spurs would have even more wins and the Clippers wouldn't be as good. I think TP is in the perfect situation and if he got traded to say... the Bucks, he wouldn't have as much of an immediate impact as Chris Paul.

this year, the only guy I'd argue against TP is Kyrie, who I'm astonished hasn't been named on this thread yet. Ehh, throw CP3 in there too.

TP's numbers are obviously better, and guys like CP3 and Westbrook may have better numbers in some areas too, but Kyrie plays on an absolute trash team and his numbers aren't too far off, while the other 3 play on the 3 best teams in the west with superstar talent all around them(with the slight exception of TP due to star injuries and age of the spurs star's but the team around TP is still worlds better than Kyrie)

So, phrase the question "who is the best PG this year?" and my answer is Tony Parker. Ask "who would you take as your PG if you are creating a team for this year?" and my answer would be Kyrie. If that makes any sense.

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I'll get out of the way and let the argument continue.

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Good lord, thanks for continuing to prove my point about spurs fans, I'm laughing even harder now.

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Good Lord, thanks for continuing to prove our point about you being a Spurs hater. We are all laughing at you harder now.

it's ok everyone, cdhaggie was simply giving tony parker a compliment by cry/loling non stop and naming all the players he thinks are better. it was just a misunderstanding.

subsequently, what is your team of choice? it would explain a lot.

Tony Parker is not the best PG in the NBA, but he is having the best season by a PG. Should be 1st-Team All NBA if the season ended today.

Ninja, I agree with that completely. This season he is playing the best.

He doesn't have the talent of Chris Paul. But he is outplaying him. So in this current state, Tony is the best in the league.

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CP3 has always been vastly overrated at defense.

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Please. I know he's not Tony Parker or Gary Payton, but CP3 is an outstanding defender.

I forgot about Kyrie, there's another PG who if the Spurs tried to offer Parker for, the Cavs would laugh hysterically for about 10 seconds, then promptly hang up. On the flip side, if the Cavs called the Spurs today, Poppovich would not only accept, he'd even offer his own money to pay for Parker's bags to be packed and his airfare out of town. He's been willing to trade Parker for about a decade now, how quickly spurs fans forget this.

And anyone who tries to compare Deron's worst year since his rookie year, a year in which he's playing hurt (he's playing even though he can't cut or jump), to Parker's best year is an even bigger dunce.

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I forgot about Kyrie, there's another PG who if the Spurs tried to offer Parker for, the Cavs would laugh hysterically for about 10 seconds, then promptly hang up. On the flip side, if the Cavs called the Spurs today, Poppovich would not only accept, he'd even offer his own money to pay for Parker's bags to be packed and his airfare out of town. He's been willing to trade Parker for about a decade now, how quickly spurs fans forget this.

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You're having a really hard time with this "right now" concept. See below.

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And anyone who tries to compare Deron's worst year since his rookie year, a year in which he's playing hurt (he's playing even though he can't cut or jump), to Parker's best year is an even bigger dunce.

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So what time period would you like to use to compare PGs in a thread about "the best PG in the NBA right now"?

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HEY GUYS, IF THE LAKERS TRIED TO TRADE MAGIC JOHNSON FOR JR SMITH THE KNICKS WOULD LAUGH AND HANG UP. THEREFORE JR SMITH > MAGIC JOHNSON.

this cdumbaggie is an awful, awful troll.

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Please. I know he's not Tony Parker or Gary Payton, but CP3 is an outstanding defender.

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He can be. He can also be terrible. See last night.

Again, he has all the talent in the world. He has the ability. But he also mentally breaks down a lot and lets his man go by him.

Parker is very underrated defensively himself. Just this last week look at: Chris Paul vs Parker, Kyrie Irving vs Parker.

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Parker is very underrated defensively himself. Just this last week look at: Chris Paul vs Parker, Kyrie Irving vs Parker.

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This.

And where does this notion come from that CP3 has "more ability" than TP? WTF does that even mean?

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Typical spurs fans always declaring themselves the greatest and getting ahead of themselves. Remember last year when all we heard was this is the most well-oiled, unstoppable, 5-man machine the game has ever seen? Then OKC happened. Spurs fans are the worst, they have only one team to root for in the entire city, so they go annoyingly overboard with everything.

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You must REALLY hate Aggie fans.

CP3 can pull up from well beyond 3 point range which alone makes people say .... cp3> parker.

Sure he has a better long range shot but so does Kobe compared to Jordan. Every time I see a debate about CP3 and Parker it revolves around CP3 being able to shoot the three ball better.

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CP3 can pull up from well beyond 3 point range which alone makes people say .... cp3> parker.

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Parker is hitting 38% this year. He isn't exactly a slouch there.

Paul is at 36% for his career. It is good (better for his career than Parker) but he isn't exactly Steve Kerr, either.

Marriages broken up:
TP: 1
DW: 0


Lol, j/k.

Do I think CP3 would be an amazing Spur? Yes. With the right coach he could be absolutely amazing. Do I think the Clippers would be just as good or better with Parker right now, also yes.

I've often wondered how much better some guys could be if they were Spurs players. Take Deandre for instance, can't shoot other than a dunk. Could the Spurs organization change that and make him a much better player? I think so.

The reason some players wouldn't be traded for Tony is due to age, contract, etc. As for Pop trading Tony, do we have any quotes from Pop or are we just hearing rumors from the Twitter analysts?

Parker had a lot of question marks still back in 2003 so I don't necessarily blame the FO going hard after Kidd but very thankful that didn't work out. Tony has become an exceptional player since then as well.