Is it too much to hope for that we go into that championship gear like we did in game 7 of the Mavs series last year?
********Spurs vs Clippers - Round 1********
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Last: 10 yr ago by Guitarsoup
quote:If you flop, it usually forces a call. Whether its for or against you, I dont know. But if you flop a couple of times, they will go both ways, esp when you bi*** about it enough like the Clippers have been. But again, they dont do the double screen if you stop picking Paul up behind half court, and I really dont think it disrupts their offense any. It seems to be a pointless habit.
I agree with you for the most part. However.
1. There's no solution when Griffin can literally crash into Danny Green so hard he gets knocked down and skids across halfcourt. Griffin laid Danny out twice with no call. Even when Griffin "set" screens, he was sliding out as the defender tried to go over. Twice we got called for fouls when Griffin slid out on the screen and knocked our defender into the offensive player. Danny was respectfully letting the ref (who is standing ten feet away from all this looking right at it) know it was happening, plus it was super obvious even on tv. The refs made a conscious decision not to call moving screens against the Clippers. In that situation, flopping just takes you even farther out of the play. If there is a defensive solution, it is to switch everything and never try to go over a screen. That may be an option if the Clippers play a lot of small ball (so that we can too) and we can judiciously mix in some hack-a-DJ.
3. Those ten minutes are the only rest Griffin and DeAndre get. It's a bigger deal than you think. Davis is a decent defender and a danger to take a charge at any time. Hawes is a turnstile who has also sucked on offense this year.
3. I hope your right. I just look at his stat line every night and see a handful of rebounds and a handful of fouls. Really he's been getting about a foul every 2 minutes of playing time...which is pretty bad. I assume their adjustment will be to go small and give DJ and Griffin rest intermittently while the other stays on the floor. I hope your right and its a huge factor! Griffin has been wrapping his knees while on the bench. Maybe those 4-5 extra minutes will have him ineffective late in the game.
When the Rockets were up 2-0 on the Mavs a few years ago, Cuban sent in a pretty comprehensive tape of moving screens by Yao Ming and the Rockets to the league office. The league reviewed it that morning, agreed and issued a set of videos to the game officials. They were specifically told to watch for moving screens and illegal picks.
Yao spent he rest of the series in foul trouble and the Mavs won in 7.
If Pop doesn't already have that tape in the hands of the league office, he's an idiot.
Yao spent he rest of the series in foul trouble and the Mavs won in 7.
If Pop doesn't already have that tape in the hands of the league office, he's an idiot.
quote:quote:He didn't really do that, though.
A lot of coaches seem to go with their lineups that "got them there" and have been good together in the past. However, I always thought that Pop wasn't like that as much
I mean Beli took Danny Green's minutes but he should've taken more, and last night he maybe should've taken more of Kawhis while patty should've taken more of Tony's. I didn't watch y'all close enough in the regular season to know all the specific lineups however.
quote:If Beli was as good a defender as Green, he might. But the Spurs only have two perimeter defenders worth talking about and Beli isn't one.quote:quote:He didn't really do that, though.
A lot of coaches seem to go with their lineups that "got them there" and have been good together in the past. However, I always thought that Pop wasn't like that as much
I mean Beli took Danny Green's minutes but he should've taken more, and last night he maybe should've taken more of Kawhis while patty should've taken more of Tony's. I didn't watch y'all close enough in the regular season to know all the specific lineups however.
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I agree with you for the most part. However.
1. There's no solution when Griffin can literally crash into Danny Green so hard he gets knocked down and skids across halfcourt. Griffin laid Danny out twice with no call. Even when Griffin "set" screens, he was sliding out as the defender tried to go over. Twice we got called for fouls when Griffin slid out on the screen and knocked our defender into the offensive player. Danny was respectfully letting the ref (who is standing ten feet away from all this looking right at it) know it was happening, plus it was super obvious even on tv. The refs made a conscious decision not to call moving screens against the Clippers. In that situation, flopping just takes you even farther out of the play. If there is a defensive solution, it is to switch everything and never try to go over a screen. That may be an option if the Clippers play a lot of small ball (so that we can too) and we can judiciously mix in some hack-a-DJ.
3. Those ten minutes are the only rest Griffin and DeAndre get. It's a bigger deal than you think. Davis is a decent defender and a danger to take a charge at any time. Hawes is a turnstile who has also sucked on offense this year.
The moving into our player and shoving Danny/Parker into Paul is what finally pissed me off. It's one thing if it's just an uncalled moving screen. It's another when that uncalled moving screen causes the defender to get a foul called against them because said screen moved them into the ball handler. That's some serious BS and I hope someone within the Spurs organization does something to get the league to enforce their own rules better.
Speaking of rules, does anyone have a gif of Crawford's blatant travel? I think he did a full airborne hop and switched pivot feet at least three times. NBA refs suck.
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Speaking of rules, does anyone have a gif of Crawford's blatant travel? I think he did a full airborne hop and switched pivot feet at least three times. NBA refs suck.
When I saw that and Blake's blatant moving screen, I almost wasn't mad anymore.
quote:http://streamable.com/chz3
Speaking of rules, does anyone have a gif of Crawford's blatant travel? I think he did a full airborne hop and switched pivot feet at least three times. NBA refs suck.
LA Fans saying Patty fouled him first.
quote:Guitarsoup posted it earlier.
Speaking of rules, does anyone have a gif of Crawford's blatant travel? I think he did a full airborne hop and switched pivot feet at least three times. NBA refs suck.
Crawford travel
quote:This was awful. Reggie was on the call laughing and in disbelief. Counted the steps too.
Speaking of rules, does anyone have a gif of Crawford's blatant travel? I think he did a full airborne hop and switched pivot feet at least three times. NBA refs suck.
But in all fairness he was being fouled on the in-bounds pass.
The ref was just staring at Crawford dance around. Nothing called.
quote:It's amazing how inconsistent the refs are with the travel call. They will be Nazi's about it with post players down on the block, but they will ignore when a guard takes 6 steps to square up to the basket out on the perimeter. It is so frustratingquote:This was awful. Reggie was on the call laughing and in disbelief. Counted the steps too.
Speaking of rules, does anyone have a gif of Crawford's blatant travel? I think he did a full airborne hop and switched pivot feet at least three times. NBA refs suck.
Has anyone seen a line for game 7? The Clips haven't won two games in a row in this series and the home teams are 2-4 so home court advantage is somewhat negated. Any news on big baby's status?
This team is so unpredictable right now that nothing from a blowout either way to another nail biter would surprise me.
If I was Pop I would do something to shake things up. Give Beli, Mills, Diaw or even Manu the start. Start out in a zone, tell Manu to drive right at Jordan and try to draw the foul the first five times down the court. Play a 3 pt shooting small ball lineup of Manu, Beli, Mills, Leonard and Diaw to jack up threes and run the court as fast as they can defense be damned.
This team is so unpredictable right now that nothing from a blowout either way to another nail biter would surprise me.
If I was Pop I would do something to shake things up. Give Beli, Mills, Diaw or even Manu the start. Start out in a zone, tell Manu to drive right at Jordan and try to draw the foul the first five times down the court. Play a 3 pt shooting small ball lineup of Manu, Beli, Mills, Leonard and Diaw to jack up threes and run the court as fast as they can defense be damned.
I like that strategy.
Beli, Mills, Diaw, Splitter, and I think it was Green is an interesting lineup. They played a few minutes yesterday and looked REALLY good. The ball moved really well.
Green needs to do what he did against the Heat last year and attack the closeout. They are doing a great job of contesting his threes. Taking one off balance shot is ok, but he's forcing all of them. His feet are not right and he's almost always leaning, turning, or moving during the shot. The lane to the basket is there every time.
I'd stick with Mills/Parker on the SF and Green or Leonard on the PG. Mills did a pretty decent job on Crawford and Barnes sucks. However, Austin Rivers was bullying Mills and Green/Leonard are playing pretty good defense on Paul. I'd also play a lot of medium/small ball and switch all those screens. Anyone can cover DeAndre. We just need to double Griffin from the perimeter so that he can't dribble cleanly into his moves or dish it to DeAndre on the weak side.
Actually, I'd even think about a 1-3-1 zone. Is that the one we were playing last night for a few minutes (I was watching at a bar, so didn't have my usual attention to detail...) I know we played it a little bit in the regular season. With the low man keeping a body on DeAndre and Kawhi playing center field, you can overload either side of the court and make life difficult for either Griffin or Paul.
Green needs to do what he did against the Heat last year and attack the closeout. They are doing a great job of contesting his threes. Taking one off balance shot is ok, but he's forcing all of them. His feet are not right and he's almost always leaning, turning, or moving during the shot. The lane to the basket is there every time.
I'd stick with Mills/Parker on the SF and Green or Leonard on the PG. Mills did a pretty decent job on Crawford and Barnes sucks. However, Austin Rivers was bullying Mills and Green/Leonard are playing pretty good defense on Paul. I'd also play a lot of medium/small ball and switch all those screens. Anyone can cover DeAndre. We just need to double Griffin from the perimeter so that he can't dribble cleanly into his moves or dish it to DeAndre on the weak side.
Actually, I'd even think about a 1-3-1 zone. Is that the one we were playing last night for a few minutes (I was watching at a bar, so didn't have my usual attention to detail...) I know we played it a little bit in the regular season. With the low man keeping a body on DeAndre and Kawhi playing center field, you can overload either side of the court and make life difficult for either Griffin or Paul.
I'd like to see Green set up in the corner more. Not coming off the screens as much as he has been. Go back to where Green got his start. A kick out player waiting for the ball to let it fly. Guys like Patty and Marco are playing great coming off screens right now.
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Has any team without HCA won 3 on the road to win a series?
I don't think LA can beat them two games in a row, but I don't have a lot of confidence in the Spurs, the way they have played lately.
Rockets Vs. Spurs 1995 WCF
Thanks. Forgot about that series. It was just days after my grandfather died.
The big difference being that Miami had Bosh protecting the lane and LA has Dre and Blake.
I think it's finally hitting me that tomorrow night could be the end of the Big 3.
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Duncan can still play at an EXTREMELY high level. There aren't many big men in the game that are better than him today. As to whether he still wants to put in the commitment is a different story.
I think Parker still has a few more years, but he is going to be transitioning into a second team game manager, and I think he is fine with that.
Ginobli is gone though. I just dont see him continuing. He doesn't have the legs, speed, or shot to keep it up. If he can somehow develop a much more consistent 3 point shot, then I suppose he can continue as a spot up shooter, but that seems highly unlikely. I also think he's accepted this to be his last year.
I think Parker still has a few more years, but he is going to be transitioning into a second team game manager, and I think he is fine with that.
Ginobli is gone though. I just dont see him continuing. He doesn't have the legs, speed, or shot to keep it up. If he can somehow develop a much more consistent 3 point shot, then I suppose he can continue as a spot up shooter, but that seems highly unlikely. I also think he's accepted this to be his last year.
game plan....
1. hack-a-jordan whole game. no backjup.
2. feed timmy. see #1.
3. swarm paul. force griffin to score. he'll be dead tired by beginning of second half.\
spurs by 10...
1. hack-a-jordan whole game. no backjup.
2. feed timmy. see #1.
3. swarm paul. force griffin to score. he'll be dead tired by beginning of second half.\
spurs by 10...
I actually wouldn't do any of that. Hack-a-Jordan has been at least as negative as it has been positive this series and likely more negative. Timmy had 1 great game, but has been tentative on his jumper and missed a bunch of FTs (appears to have tired legs). He needs to play a role and get the ball in mismatches but expecting him to score 30 and go head to head against Jordan is asking too much.
Paul and Griffin will get their points. Limit Reddick, Crawford and the role players and make Paul and Griffin have to score 40 a piece on a high shooting percentage to win.
I do agree about tiring out the Clips, but I would do that by a lot of small ball, stretch 4s, high tempo, tons of 3s and going with an offense heavy lineup 90% of the time. I think the Spurs need to plan to score over 110 to win.
Paul and Griffin will get their points. Limit Reddick, Crawford and the role players and make Paul and Griffin have to score 40 a piece on a high shooting percentage to win.
I do agree about tiring out the Clips, but I would do that by a lot of small ball, stretch 4s, high tempo, tons of 3s and going with an offense heavy lineup 90% of the time. I think the Spurs need to plan to score over 110 to win.
quote:Well damn, you've figured it out!
I think the Spurs need to plan to score over 110 to win.
I definitely think you limit the support players. Griffin and Paul are just dominant players. They will get theirs. The bed thing to do is make Reddick shoot 4/14. Barnes 2/7, etc. If Griffin is driving and working his a** off on the offensive end, he will certainly wear down. It'll cause him to get into foul trouble and make stupid plays.
Let Paul and Griffin go off.
Let Paul and Griffin go off.
quote:Not sure if you are being sarcastic, but I think we saw that our best defensive lineup is still going to get torched by the griffin and paul pick and roll if they are on their game, especially the way the refs are calling the game.quote:Well damn, you've figured it out!
I think the Spurs need to plan to score over 110 to win.
The games we have won we scored 111 in two of them and 100 in the other, but that 100 point game was a blowout where we called off the dogs early.
The clips have average 107 points in their victories. All I am saying is we can't expect our defense to win the day against these guys. We have to score frequently and not have big droughts like we did yesterday. Jordan hurts our ability to slash and finish at the rim so let's put in our bombers.
Alternative to this is to go hard at Jordan from the start and hope to get the calls, but that is risky and we might be down 10 before we know what hit us if this early strategy doesn't work and the refs tend to let players play in elimination games.
if davis is out for game 7, hack-a-jordan will be in full force. this takes their offense and their crowd completely out of it. there is nobody else that can guard timmy and pop will ride him to the next series.
quote:So those 10 minutes a game that Davis has been playing, were preventing Pop from riding Timmy to victory already? Tim is a legend and has had a solid series and one amazing game, but I'm just not sure he has the legs to score 30 and be the go to guy in Game 7. I would love to be wrong.
if davis is out for game 7, hack-a-jordan will be in full force. this takes their offense and their crowd completely out of it. there is nobody else that can guard timmy and pop will ride him to the next series.
here is our 3-ball shooting for the series. see a correlation? i sure don't.
10-33 lost
8-25 won
10-24 won
6-25 lost
11-23 won
12-28 lost
?
10-33 lost
8-25 won
10-24 won
6-25 lost
11-23 won
12-28 lost
?
never said tim had to score 30. if davis is out and we're hacking jordan, who will cover him? they will have to double or get help which leaves the wide open 3. he just has to dish and force the double teams or mismatches.
Damn it's sad to see Manu as just a shell of his old self. I love Duncan and Parker of course, but Manu was always my favorite. I'm hoping the good guys respond to Pop calling them soft and come out and play true Spurs basketball and steamroll the clippers on Saturday night.
quote:This series has been so close that if one more of those goes in, it's a different series. The 3 ball is the only reason we were even in the game last night. Why don't you post the hack a Jordan numbers as well and tell me what correlation shows up?
here is our 3-ball shooting for the series. see a correlation? i sure don't.
10-33 lost
8-25 won
10-24 won
6-25 lost
11-23 won
12-28 lost
?
All I know is what my eyes tell me. Playing the unproductive starters of Green, Parker and Splitter has not only gotten us torched on defense but has failed to score consistently on offense. The bench has been saving us. I'm not sure why we wouldn't sub those players out for the guys stretching the defense. Duncan is great and needs to get his looks and keep scoring, but I don't think we should expect him to be the difference. His 54% FT shooting indicates tired legs and he wasn't even looking for his jumper last night.
I still don't see where Glen Davis hurt his ankle. Didn't look like it ever rolled or turned.
Maybe he's just being a Big Baby.
Maybe he's just being a Big Baby.
quote:Now this I can fully get behind. Facilitate the offense through Duncan and surround him with shooters and scorers. Unfortunately Parker and Green are hogging a bunch of minutes but shooting the ball poorly. We have to give their minutes and shots to Marco or Mills if they start out cold. We won't be giving much up on defense as efficiently as the Clips are scoring.
never said tim had to score 30. if davis is out and we're hacking jordan, who will cover him? they will have to double or get help which leaves the wide open 3. he just has to dish and force the double teams or mismatches.
if davis is out, they have nobody else. jordan is #2 overall in rebounds and #4 in blocked shots for the season. if he has to sit because he can't shoot free throws, it's over. davis is not much but he's the only other big man they have. you have to take advantage of that.
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