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In reply to TheNotoriousP.I.P. • 1:29p, 6/16/26
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TheNotoriousP.I.P. said:
Would def support dangling Julian in exchange for one of those late/post lottery picks if we get the sense he isn't willing to sign a team-friendly extension


Charlotte has 14 and 18. Chicago has 3 and 15.

The other idea is 20+ Julian to Chicago for 15 and Jalen Smith. Opens up about 7M more in cap space for the Bulls to go after FAs and Julian would work well with Matas and Boozer.
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In reply to Guitarsoup • 2:43p, 6/16/26
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Julian on his $3Million deal to Charlotte move up to 14 to get Morez Johnson would feel a lot like George Hill to Indiana for #15 to get Kawhi.

Then take Dailyn Swain to replace JuJu at 20.

Or trade down and pick up Tarris Reed in the late first to be 3rd string center if you think he's not going to be there at 35 (I don't think he will be)


I forgot about Cam Carr.

Take best case scenario for draft:
Julian for #14.
morez Johnson at 14
Cam Carr at 20
Tarris Reed at 35
Trade 42/44 for Bobby Portis into the MLE.

Wemby - Luke - Reed
Portis - Morez - Barnes vet min
Vassell - Bryant - Carr
Castle - Keldon - Gary Trent?
Fox - Harper - Jordan vet min

We upgrade size, shooting with Portis and Carr, get an amazing athlete in Reed and get two physical guys at PF that we need to take pressure off Wemby. Plus still have the Hawks pick.
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3:15p, 6/16/26
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Do you guys think Carter Bryant will play in summer league next month?
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5:22p, 6/16/26
Can we get Markanen? I would love to see him on this team. Bill Simmons put that fake trade out for Fox on his latest pod
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In reply to Agzonfire • 5:31p, 6/16/26
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Can we get Markanen? I would love to see him on this team. Bill Simmons put that fake trade out for Fox on his latest pod

I think his idea was Fox, Bryant, and two firsts for Markkanen, and was premised on Utah taking Boozer with the second pick. That would be a gamble for a guy who hasn't played more than 55 games in a season since 2022-23, and had only played more than 60 games three times in nine seasons.

But dude can score when he's healthy.
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6:11p, 6/16/26
I'd do Fox for Markannen or JJJ straight up, but to include CB and draft picks would be ludicrous. They will be motivated at some point to move one of JJJ or Lauri if they end up drafting Boozer because it won't make sense to have so much money tied up in the frontcourt.

But I'll say again, be careful what you wish for with trying to just ship out Fox as fast as possible. Harper looks ready to take over a bigger role, but PG on a championship team is a big lift for a 2nd year player, so I don't think I'm quite ready to say that we're better without Fox on the team. Let's see him come back motivated to prove the doubters wrong and lead this team back to the Finals again. I remember how painful that loss in 2013 was, Manu missed free throws, we didn't secure a rebound, and then we laid a turd in game 7. Those guys came back the next year and absolutely demolished the Heat. Let's not discount that we have some hungry guys on this team that will be eager to prove all of the critics wrong. I know it didn't work out the way he wanted, but Fox played aggressive in game 5, he's no Chet that hid in the corner meekly.
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In reply to LawHall88 • 6:14p, 6/16/26
Not the player we need at that position. Hes a below average 3pt shooter the last 2 years. Frequently injured. Defense is mediocre, can't defend the perimeter, not strong enough to hold his own down low vs bigger posts. Doesn't rebound well despite his height. We would likely regret that trade, especially if Bryant continues to improve his shooting and cuts down on his rookie brain farts.
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7:19p, 6/16/26
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Lauri is soft, doesn't rebound well and is a poor defender. He's really a tall SF that can't guard Wings because he's too slow and can't guard forwards because he's too weak. On top of that, in his last 8 seasons he has played 61 games once and 66 games once and never more than 60 in the six other seasons. He's 29 and he has been a 35% 3pt shooter the last two years. All that and he's on essentially the same contact as Fox.

The theoretical shooting is nice at his height, but he's a career .370 shooter - worse than Julian.

If we are dumping Fox, I don't want to do it for a 5th option on the same basic contract. I'll take JJJ straight up because at least he will help dominate the defense even if he doesn't rebound
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7:56p, 6/16/26
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Jazz got some bigger problems

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In reply to Guitarsoup • 8:01p, 6/16/26
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I thought for sure this was a centel account.
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8:40p, 6/16/26
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Everyone's favorite podcaster KOC put out an updated mock today, and has the Spurs taking Graves.
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8:43p, 6/16/26
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I would trade Utah Fox for JJJ straight up or maybe do a sign and trade for Nurcic as well? Send a first or two to them and suddenly we have many more minutes being eaten up. Maybe Wemby can be more of a Kevin Durant 4 and avoid the biggest guys...and this helps also round out the bench. Just a thought
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In reply to LawHall88 • 8:51p, 6/16/26
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LawHall88 said:
Everyone's favorite podcaster KOC put out an updated mock today, and has the Spurs taking Graves.

Graves would be the worst choice. He's going to get played off the court. His basketball comparison is 2026 Harrison Barnes with Derik Queen's passing.

There are apparently rumors of Charlotte taking Graves 18th according to Sam Vecenie.
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In reply to Twice an Aggie • 8:57p, 6/16/26
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Twice an Aggie said:
I would trade Utah Fox for JJJ straight up or maybe do a sign and trade for Nurcic as well? Send a first or two to them and suddenly we have many more minutes being eaten up. Maybe Wemby can be more of a Kevin Durant 4 and avoid the biggest guys...and this helps also round out the bench. Just a thought

Nurkic has been a super toxic locker room presence at multiple stops. I like the size, but he isn't getting a big contract anywhere.

Fox for JJJ in a heartbeat. The Fox trade and JJJ trade were very similar in cost. Basically matching salary and 3 firsts. JJJ is slightly younger and more injury prone. His big negative is being an inconsistent shooter and poor rebounder. Plus more injuries. Both are on almost identical contracts.
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In reply to Guitarsoup • 9:27p, 6/16/26
My logic on why I could theoretically live with Fox for Lauri is because Lauri's contract ends one year sooner, and that fact alone means that his contract would likely never force us to break up our core. It would coincide exactly with when we'd be extending Dylan.

For on court basketball reasons it's hard to justify wanting Lauri unless we think him being the 4th option unlocks some extra efficiency is his game.

JJJ as you mention beings much more to the court with his versatility on defense but his contract runs just as long as Fox's does.

In any case, I'd consider both of those guys seriously if it was a pure one for one swap on the table.
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In reply to AggieEP • 9:56p, 6/16/26
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If they get Boozer, I just think Kessler+Boozer+JJJ+George+Fox doesn't make any sense at all.

Kessler+Boozer+Lauri+George+Fox makes way more sense.

But this Kessler contract situation certainly makes things way more complicated for them.
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10:39p, 6/16/26
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Man I'd run through a rick wall for a JJJ for Fox deal. Throw in a pick or two and let's ride.
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8:11a, 6/17/26
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For you podcast listeners, Zach Lowe's released yesterday is half talking about the draft, including a brief discussion of Morez's fit on the Spurs, and the second half was all about "where the Spurs go from here." No big revelations, but kind of interesting nonetheless.
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10:54a, 6/17/26
Jazz are not trading JJJ, not sure where this idea came from. They literally just traded 3 firsts for him 4 months ago. They already knew they were getting a high draft pick and still pulled this move. Spurs would need to give up 3-4 firsts (given the picks they gave up are more valuable than the Spurs'), +Carter Bryant, and obviously Fox for them to even consider this trade. It's not happening.

Maybe this move becomes more feasible at the trade deadline next year if JJJ becomes unhappy with his role, but I think it's way more likely that the Jazz try to move Lauri or Kessler (if they actually re-sign him) instead rather than the guy they just gave up 3 firsts for. Those are the kind of moves that would get a GM fired.
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In reply to Dr. Not Yet Dr. Ag • 11:25a, 6/17/26
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Kessler+Boozer+Lauri+JJJ makes no sense for a roster at all. JJJ refuses to play center.

DNPeterson refused to workout for Utah and told them not to pick him.

And now with Kessler demanding big star money, they are absolutely in a pickle.

You, like many many fans are way too swayed by Fox's performance with a high ankle sprain. He was playing great in the playoffs and in the regular season before that.





Front offices are not going to devalue him in the same way fans have. They aren't that reactive about a small sample size playing with injury.


As players, JJJ and Fox have similar values. JJJ is injury prone and doesn't rebound. He refuses to play center. Both are very good at some things, but have glaring weaknesses and JJJ makes a team be built up in a specific way around him, while Fox is more of a plug and play player. Both are overpaid.
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In reply to Guitarsoup • 11:40a, 6/17/26
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Saw on reddit some pretty incredible stats on Fox/Castle, Fox/Harper and Castle/Harper pairings. The Castle/Harper was the worst pairing by far when it came to assist to turnover ratio. Just brutal without Fox. I wonder if he'd had the speed/ups to make that shot if people would feel different.
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In reply to superunknown • 11:44a, 6/17/26
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superunknown said:
Saw on reddit some pretty incredible stats on Fox/Castle, Fox/Harper and Castle/Harper pairings. The Castle/Harper was the worst pairing by far when it came to assist to turnover ratio. Just brutal without Fox. I wonder if he'd had the speed/ups to make that shot if people would feel different.

That's exactly right, and it is why Fox isn't getting dumped like fans want.

We saw it against OKC when Castle had like 10 turnovers with Fox injured and like 2 when Fox came back.

Castle also hit like 40% of his threes when Fox was playing and like 22% when he wasn't.

If you want to dive deep into matchups, pairings, etc, this is a great website to do it: https://databallr.com/
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11:56a, 6/17/26
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That's all fine and dandy and there's maybe some truth to those stats although Castle and Harper are only going to improve.

Fact remains, Harper isn't going to willingly come off the bench for much longer. He's not going to be Manu. The Spurs trying to treat him like that and plug him into that role for the forseeable future is not going to go over well. This is much more likely to turn into a Kawhi situation rather than a Manu situation if we pigeon hole him to a bench role. And the "But he closes games" argument doesn't work.

So something has to happen IMO. The timing of when it needs to happen can be debated. I think the Spurs would be better off with all three for next year but Harper is the future and he takes precendence.
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In reply to Sher Thing • 12:06p, 6/17/26
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That's all fine and dandy and there's maybe some truth to those stats although Castle and Harper are only going to improve.

Fact remains, Harper isn't going to willingly come off the bench for much longer. He's not going to be Manu. The Spurs trying to treat him like that and plug him into that role for the forseeable future is not going to go over well. This is much more likely to turn into a Kawhi situation rather than a Manu situation if we pigeon hole him to a bench role. And the "But he closes games" argument doesn't work.

So something has to happen IMO.

Go listen to Danny Green's podcast this week. He was adamant that the closing games thing is way more important to Harper.

Castle and Harper will continue to improve, but the stats still show that having Fox on the floor benefits both a great deal. The other than that having Fox on the floor does for them is that teams will still key in on Fox more and that gives Castle and Harper the weaker defender, making their job easier.

Ron Harper has been adamant that Harper is in the best possible situation and have been telling people to F off with the Fox slander.

Even before this season, I didn't expect Fox to play out his contract, but I think that fans are making way too big of a deal out of all of this and projecting their own feelings and reactions to the players and assuming the players feel the same way.
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12:08p, 6/17/26
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#20 and Keldon works financially. Who wouldn't want Big Body? Has more NBA awards than the rest of the Pelicans
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In reply to Guitarsoup • 12:08p, 6/17/26
I'm not sure what your last part has anything to do with the comment you are replying to. We have already hashed this out. You are higher on Fox than myself and others. Let it rest.

JJJ is going to be a non-starter for Utah without significant draft capital. To do otherwise is career suicide for their GM. Utah made that move 4 months ago well aware that they might end up with a top 3 pick. You think they are going to dump him after giving up 3 FRPs without having a full season with him…let alone more than 3 games? Lol.

"Snip, snap, snip, snap" as the Michael Scott meme goes. No way they are doing that this offseason. Maybe at the trade deadline or next offseason if things go awry with him. But he's a pipe dream this summer.
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In reply to Guitarsoup • 12:16p, 6/17/26
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I don't have anything against Fox tbh. He played like **** and some of that was probably due to his ankle sprain but he's still a good player. Not a $50mm/yr player but a good player.

However, I'm not willing to die on the Fox hill when it is clearly creating negative implications for our future with Harper.
If you are honestly sitting here and thinking that Harper doesn't care to start and he's going to be totally fine playing behind Fox for the forseeable future then good on you but I find that extremely hard to believe. He's way too talented for not wanting to be the starting PG. I just think this is a ticking time bomb. The noise and smoke is way to loud for there not to be something there.
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In reply to Dr. Not Yet Dr. Ag • 12:18p, 6/17/26
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I never said it would happen right now. But it does not make sense for their team building, especially when their only real guards are Keyonte George and Isaiah Collier. I wouldn't expect them to make any big deals right away unless it has to do with Kessler.

But if they take Boozer (who I like more than DNP) their roster doesn't make a ton of sense.

C: Kessler (maybe RFA) - Nurkic (maybe - UFA)
PF: JJJ - Boozer - Flipkowski
SF: Lauri - Ace Bailey - Sensabaugh
SG: Cody Williams - Jon Konchar
PG: George - Collier

Fox was also traded just a year ago for three firsts. They have similar value to NBA teams. Both are overpaid and have weaknesses for their role.

But I don't believe Fox will be traded this offseason. Maybe next offseason. More than likely summer 2028.
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In reply to Sher Thing • 12:21p, 6/17/26
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Sher Thing said:
I don't have anything against Fox tbh. He played like **** and some of that was probably due to his ankle sprain but he's still a good player. Not a $50mm/yr player but a good player.

However, I'm not willing to die on the Fox hill when it is clearly creating negative implications for our future with Harper.
If you are honestly sitting here and thinking that Harper doesn't care to start and he's going to be totally fine playing behind Fox for the forseeable future then good for you.
I find that extremely hard to believe. He's way too talented for not wanting to be the starting PG.

None of us know what Harper thinks or feels. I'm not going to project my own thoughts or feelings on him.

I would be shocked if Harper/Castle/Fox don't all play similar numbers of minutes next year and who has the ball in their hand will probably depend a lot more on who has the hot hand that game.

But the realistic front office move right now is working to add shooting and physicality at PF. And I think that can easily be done. I will be shocked if Fox isn't on the team a year from today.
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In reply to Guitarsoup • 12:30p, 6/17/26
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I would be shocked if Harper/Castle/Fox don't all play similar numbers of minutes next year and who has the ball in their hand will probably depend a lot more on who has the hot hand that game.

If that was only the case in the Finals.
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But the realistic front office move right now is working to add shooting and physicality at PF. And I think that can easily be done. I will be shocked if Fox isn't on the team a year from today.

I mean I totally agree with that but I just think the problem is staring you in the face and you refuse to see it. My guess is it ends up blowing up sooner rather than later.
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In reply to Sher Thing • 12:42p, 6/17/26
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Sher Thing said:

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I would be shocked if Harper/Castle/Fox don't all play similar numbers of minutes next year and who has the ball in their hand will probably depend a lot more on who has the hot hand that game.

If that was only the case in the Finals.
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But the realistic front office move right now is working to add shooting and physicality at PF. And I think that can easily be done. I will be shocked if Fox isn't on the team a year from today.

I mean I totally agree with that but I just think the problem is staring you in the face and you refuse to see it. My guess is it ends up blowing up sooner rather than later.

Refuse to see it? GTFO. Everyone knows the future of the Spurs is Wemby, Harper and Castle. But the Spurs are unquestionably better with Fox as well right now. If a trade that makes sense comes along, I assume we will jump on it. But I wouldn't expect that until next summer at the earliest.
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In reply to Sher Thing • 12:57p, 6/17/26
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I'm just not convinced it's a problem yet. As is right now, as it was for the last half of the season and the first half of the playoffs, we had a guard rotation that's arguably the class of the league. Last year's ROY, a former all NBA guy and a dynamite #2 overall pick all splitting up the 96 backcourt minutes a game with very little dropoff and no matter what, 2 of them are on the court and 1 is going to check in well rested at any time. Take any of them out of the equation and all of a sudden you have a WCF record set in turnovers.

I have no idea why people want to end that. Because Fox had a few terrible games? Was it the bonehead layup attempt or other errors in game 5? If that's what it is, then lets talk about Castle's 0-fer for the first 47 minutes of game 5 or Harper missing a couple of free throws and bunnies in the last few minutes. Not sure I want to have that conversation, if I'm being honest. I saw a couple of young bucks not meet the moment and a hobbled vet playing his 10th game on a bad ankle.

Healthy Fox next season with some added frontcourt help and we might see a 65-70 win peak the likes even Spurs fans haven't seen. If that's the case, then Fox has re-established his value and we can run out a Tre Jones or Blake Wesley type as PG2 for 15-20 minutes a game and make all the fans happy because Fox will be gone and Harper and Castle are 40 mpg players that surely don't need rest and never get hurt.
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In reply to Guitarsoup • 1:17p, 6/17/26
Yes, I'm aware of the roster and draft issues keeping JJJ poses, however, so was Utah's GM when they made that move in the first place. No one is debating you on that.

The difference between Fox and JJJ is we have actually had a full season with Fox and we have a timeline where Fox needs to come off the books before the end of his contract to maintain our young core. I don't actually think Fox gets moved this summer regardless of my feelings on whether we should strongly be considering it, but I doubt we could even move him if we wanted right now without cutting a few fingers off in the deal. I don't think another year changes that case, either. His value to other teams on his current contract will come in an expiring contract, which will also make it tough to move him in 2028 given he will still have 2 years left, unless we attach picks to him or are supplied with a deus ex machina in an expansion draft.
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1:34p, 6/17/26
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I'm not advocating for trading Fox becuase I think it makes us better.

Just pointing out the obvious. Harper is not going to be ok with being Manu. Those that think he is are delusional. So what do we do about that.

You claim there isn't an issue and keep punting it down the road and that is when things blow up and guys get frustrated/ask for trades.
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1:56p, 6/17/26
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Made an off-season thread.

https://texags.com/forums/52/topics/3612149
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