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In reply to Backcountry Birds • 5:56p, 6/15/26
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I think you are underselling what a solid PF would mean to this team. And how big a jump Harper will take. Fox should get at most the 4th most shots next year. Not sure his stock is ever going up.

It's going to be hard to build that depth we need once those max contracts kick in. I would rather trade Fox for 2-4 players that equal his salary, that would be easier to move off later and solve our depth.

Theoretically an Ayo, Dante, Reid for Fox and a first round pick. I think that's the kind of trade the Spurs should look to do. Nothing dramatic about it. We signed max contract for someone that's our 4th best player. That's both a blessing and a curse. Just think Spurs would be smart to explore those options before big salaries kick in.


What? I'm the one trying to find every conceivable way to get a PF and was doing that last year as well. My last post about why we lost specifically said that because we don't have a real PF.

Naz would be good on this team, but he's not a remotely realistic possibility unless the Wolves went all in and we ended up getting him from a third team. But they want to build around Ant, Naz, and jaden and everything else is on the table.

There are lots of other good options and if you scroll back since the season ended, I've floated several ideas. We absolutely need to fill that spot out
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In reply to Guitarsoup • 5:58p, 6/15/26
I'm must have missed them or glossed over them.

Who would be your targets if we traded Fox for a PF and depth?
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6:16p, 6/15/26
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We aren't trading Fox but I floated Fox and Champ for Camara and Jrue. Fox and Champ for Murphy and DJM (even though Murphy isn't a PF). Miami misses Giannis so we do #13, Herro, Jovic for #20 and Fox (Bam was his roommate right). Utah wants Boozer so we do Fox for JJJ straight up.

More realistic if we take someone into our MLE in a trade. beefStew, Portis, etc. for rotation, sign Dean Wade. Lock the tires on Marvin Bagley but he probably wants a bigger role to prove worth for a contact next summer
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In reply to Guitarsoup • 6:28p, 6/15/26
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We aren't trading Fox but I floated Fox and Champ for Camara and Jrue. Fox and Champ for Murphy and DJM (even though Murphy isn't a PF). Miami misses Giannis so we do #13, Herro, Jovic for #20 and Fox (Bam was his roommate right). Utah wants Boozer so we do Fox for JJJ straight up.

More realistic if we take someone into our MLE in a trade. beefStew, Portis, etc. for rotation, sign Dean Wade. Lock the tires on Marvin Bagley but he probably wants a bigger role to prove worth for a contact next summer


The Portland trade maybe. Jjj would be fine but doubt the gruz would do it. I ike my Wolves trade better as we need depth. The rest don't really solve PF issue. Even if the Spurs said yes, I don't see those other teams doing it anymore than the Wolves. I think it's going to be very challenging to get Fox out the door without assets

MLE is probably the play, but I think we will regret not trading Fox. Think he will be even harder to move next year. At least somebody will think they are buying in low. Another bad year and that not the case.
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In reply to Backcountry Birds • 6:40p, 6/15/26
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If we are starting Trey and Vassell at Forward, everyone else has a problem Spurs firepower problem more than we have a PF problem
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6:54p, 6/15/26
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Whole Thread. Gotta trade up.
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In reply to Guitarsoup • 6:58p, 6/15/26
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Whole Thread. Gotta trade up.


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7:12p, 6/15/26
I obviously want us to be bold, but the downside to bold is that sometimes you end up with Fox and then the lottery balls give you Dylan. If we somehow would have known that we were going to get Dylan, there is no way we do the Fox deal. But there is no way we could have predicted our incredible lottery luck.

But for the new guys around here, it's hard to overstate just how bad the PG play was just over a year ago before Fox got here. The team we saw this year was essentially the same team we ran out last year just minus Fox and Harper and Barnes. And that team was a lottery team that got its doors blown off regularly. Part of why we were better this year was the development of guys who were on the team, but adding in a legit all NBA level lead guard just makes everything run smoother. Think about how stupid the Rockets looked for most of this season, and they are a really talented team, but they don't have anyone on the roster outside of FVV who was hurt all year to run the point and initiate the offense.

It's easy to imagine alternate scenarios now, but at the time we made the Fox trade, we were facing an existential crisis because we had a lot of the parts of a competitive team except for a legit PG. Now we have a surplus there in value, and we'll see how it eventually shakes out. It'd be ridiculous to just give Fox away, but there is no reason I think going forward that we shouldn't at least listen if a team comes knocking that needs a steady hand at point. All of you Fox doomers though need to step away from the ledge and realize that it's a luxury to have multiple really good PGs on the roster. They make life easier for everyone else.
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In reply to AggieEP • 7:24p, 6/15/26
I don't have an issue with the trade. It was smart at the time. Now signing him to a max contract was somewhat questionable. Castle had already emerged and I think we had drafted Harper already or at least had the pick. There was a lot of discussion out there on if Fox was efficient enough to be a max player.

Like i said, it's a blessing and a curse, but if you had me rank the number of shots in order next year it goes Wemby, Harper, Castle (then an argument between Vassell, Fox and hopefully an MLE PF). Hard to pay max money for no better than you 4th best player.

There is absolutely a chance that you can't trade Fox without assets attached even now and it may get even worse in the future if he's your 4th option going forward and nobody will want to help the emerging power. If truly untradable that may mean we lose one of Harper or Castle which would be absolutely devastating. Obviously we got a couple years to figure it out. But it's not dooming it's reality after that disaster of a performance tanked his value for both the Spurs and the league and Harper rose.

If we can get almost any PF upgrade at all and move his contract I think you do it.

Plus this draft is loaded with PGs. Not so much at PF.

His rim pressure decline is my biggest issue with him. He settle for that inefficient mid range jumper way too often.
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In reply to AggieEP • 7:24p, 6/15/26
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I obviously want us to be bold, but the downside to bold is that sometimes you end up with Fox and then the lottery balls give you Dylan. If we somehow would have known that we were going to get Dylan, there is no way we do the Fox deal. But there is no way we could have predicted our incredible lottery luck.

But for the new guys around here, it's hard to overstate just how bad the PG play was just over a year ago before Fox got here. The team we saw this year was essentially the same team we ran out last year just minus Fox and Harper and Barnes. And that team was a lottery team that got its doors blown off regularly. Part of why we were better this year was the development of guys who were on the team, but adding in a legit all NBA level lead guard just makes everything run smoother. Think about how stupid the Rockets looked for most of this season, and they are a really talented team, but they don't have anyone on the roster outside of FVV who was hurt all year to run the point and initiate the offense.

It's easy to imagine alternate scenarios now, but at the time we made the Fox trade, we were facing an existential crisis because we had a lot of the parts of a competitive team except for a legit PG. Now we have a surplus there in value, and we'll see how it eventually shakes out. It'd be ridiculous to just give Fox away, but there is no reason I think going forward that we shouldn't at least listen if a team comes knocking that needs a steady hand at point. All of you Fox doomers though need to step away from the ledge and realize that it's a luxury to have multiple really good PGs on the roster. They make life easier for everyone else.

I for one do not miss the point Sochan days.
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In reply to Guitarsoup • 7:34p, 6/15/26
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Whole Thread. Gotta trade up.


I think this HAS to be the play. I don't think anyone else at 20 really moves the needle and improves our chances at a title.
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7:57p, 6/15/26
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Have you guys actually watched film on Morez Johnson? I like him at 20 or if you can cheaply move up 3-4 spots but he is still a bit raw I think for just throwing away a bunch of picks to move up and get him when guys like Swain and Carr may be sitting there still. Drafting at 20 is best player available. If you are counting on trading a few spots up and mortgaging a bunch of picks to do it you damn sure better have done Kawhi level scouting on the guys and cannot miss. And missing in the mid teens is more common than not missing.

Use free agency for the big help if those guys are all taken by then. But the Spurs aren't going to send off all their picks for a flyer on Johnson.
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In reply to Backcountry Birds • 8:02p, 6/15/26
Everyone here will disagree with me now, but I think the asset that we end up moving eventually if we run into serious cap issues is Castle because he's going to have such an excess value to other teams that we might be able to pull a Desmond Bane like haul for him that reloads the coffers for the rest of Wemby's prime.

Harper and Wemby are the only two true untouchables, because like it or not in the apron era you eventually have to just ride or die with 2 max players if you want to surround them with quality depth.

To be clear though, I'm not advocating trading Castle, I'm just saying that if we reach the point where someone has got to go and it's between trading Fox for a bag of rocks and having to attach draft compensation to get off his deal and trading Castle for 4 future firsts... I think it's not too hard of a decision to reload on firsts and then just let Fox's deal expire and clear the books for you.
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In reply to flashplayer • 8:05p, 6/15/26
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Have you guys actually watched film on Morez Johnson? I like him at 20 or if you can cheaply move up 3-4 spots but he is still a bit raw I think for just throwing away a bunch of picks to move up and get him when guys like Swain and Carr may be sitting there still. Drafting at 20 is best player available. If you are counting on trading a few spots up and mortgaging a bunch of picks to do it you damn sure better have done Kawhi level scouting on the guys and cannot miss. And missing in the mid teens is more common than not missing.

Use free agency for the big help if those guys are all taken by then. But the Spurs aren't going to send off all their picks for a flyer on Johnson.

He's raw, but his motor is top of the scale, and I have no doubt that Morez would commit himself to improving the rawest parts of his game so he can become a key cog on a winning team.

There was a breakdown I saw at some point that focused on how he did all of the little things on the court that contribute to winning that don't always show up in the box score. Think of him as possibly our Alex Caruso but in a 6'9'' 240 lb super athletic body.
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In reply to Backcountry Birds • 8:21p, 6/15/26
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I don't have an issue with the trade. It was smart at the time. Now signing him to a max contract was somewhat questionable. Castle had already emerged and I think we had drafted Harper already or at least had the pick. There was a lot of discussion out there on if Fox was efficient enough to be a max player.

Like i said, it's a blessing and a curse, but if you had me rank the number of shots in order next year it goes Wemby, Harper, Castle (then an argument between Vassell, Fox and hopefully an MLE PF). Hard to pay max money for no better than you 4th best player.

There is absolutely a chance that you can't trade Fox without assets attached even now and it may get even worse in the future if he's your 4th option going forward and nobody will want to help the emerging power. If truly untradable that may mean we lose one of Harper or Castle which would be absolutely devastating. Obviously we got a couple years to figure it out. But it's not dooming it's reality after that disaster of a performance tanked his value for both the Spurs and the league and Harper rose.

If we can get almost any PF upgrade at all and move his contract I think you do it.

Plus this draft is loaded with PGs. Not so much at PF.

His rim pressure decline is my biggest issue with him. He settle for that inefficient mid range jumper way too often.


Literally no one thought Fox was worth a Max contract. But he forced his way to us and that's just part of the deal. We paid paid. Probably $0.70 on the dollar for him and the other side of that coin is we had to give him the max. Sacramento was going to give him Max but they don't have a way to replace him.

It's ridiculous to act like he's going to be our fourth best player next year. That's just not true, especially on offense. He was solid shooting off ball. He was elite shooting in the corner and he is elite shooting in the mid-range. He has good handles and he's better than most people give him credit for on defense. He also seems to be a positive teammate and was willing to take a smaller role to come here
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9:30p, 6/15/26
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he was the 4th best player this year in the playoffs and that is generous

Wemby Harper Castle are the 3 best players and it ain't even close

Fox is high volume scorer in terrible teams -he ain't worth a damn when playing with better players
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9:46p, 6/15/26
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So is Harper going to start next year? Seems like he will be playing 30mpg.
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In reply to MookieBlaylock • 9:56p, 6/15/26
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he was the 4th best player this year in the playoffs and that is generous

Wemby Harper Castle are the 3 best players and it ain't even close

Fox is high volume scorer in terrible teams -he ain't worth a damn when playing with better players


Exactly. Fox is already the 4th best and Vassell would like a word. I feel like I'm taking crazy pills with some of these arguments for Fox. There might not be a team in the NBA that will trade for him. That may have been the biggest choke job a "max" player has ever had in the finals. His rim pressure is down and he's only going to get slower. I think he's on the decline and waiting to trade will only make it harder.

If Fox gets more minutes and shots than Harper and Castle then we need a new coach as well.
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In reply to AggieEP • 11:21p, 6/15/26
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Everyone here will disagree with me now, but I think the asset that we end up moving eventually if we run into serious cap issues is Castle because he's going to have such an excess value to other teams that we might be able to pull a Desmond Bane like haul for him that reloads the coffers for the rest of Wemby's prime.

Harper and Wemby are the only two true untouchables, because like it or not in the apron era you eventually have to just ride or die with 2 max players if you want to surround them with quality depth.

To be clear though, I'm not advocating trading Castle, I'm just saying that if we reach the point where someone has got to go and it's between trading Fox for a bag of rocks and having to attach draft compensation to get off his deal and trading Castle for 4 future firsts... I think it's not too hard of a decision to reload on firsts and then just let Fox's deal expire and clear the books for you.


It's an interesting thought and you aren't necessarily wrong but I get the vibe that Castle and Wemby have already hitched their wagons together for the long haul. They seem very close and destined to be teammates for a long time.
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In reply to Cave Johnson, CEO • 12:06a, 6/16/26
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That would be a terrible deal with Julian. Way too much money for his skill level and market value.
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Imagine being in their head so deep that the toast at their victory party is about you!
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8:20a, 6/16/26
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I don't really understand yall who think 15/yr is a massive overpay for Julian. That would put him as the 28th highest paid SF in AAV, less than Duncan Robinson and Nikola Jovic. Isn't that about right? He's a borderline starter and he'd be getting paid borderline starter money. We're talking 8% of the cap for a guy who proved he's a capable rotation player on a championship-level team.
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In reply to TheNotoriousP.I.P. • 8:53a, 6/16/26
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I don't really understand yall who think 15/yr is a massive overpay for Julian. That would put him as the 28th highest paid SF in AAV, less than Duncan Robinson and Nikola Jovic. Isn't that about right? He's a borderline starter and he'd be getting paid borderline starter money. We're talking 8% of the cap for a guy who proved he's a capable rotation player on a championship-level team.


Because he got hunted all playoffs on D and in the apron era you can't overpay one trick ponies.
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In reply to FTAG 2000 • 9:10a, 6/16/26
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But he didn't get hunted on D all playoffs, he got hunted on D by Brunson specifically in the finals
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9:31a, 6/16/26
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I agree. Depending on how it's structured that seems like a reasonable contract for Julian. He's not a great defender, but he's not a traffic cone either. He's shown to be durable and a solid rebounder for a SF.
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In reply to FTAG 2000 • 11:57a, 6/16/26
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TheNotoriousP.I.P. said:
I don't really understand yall who think 15/yr is a massive overpay for Julian. That would put him as the 28th highest paid SF in AAV, less than Duncan Robinson and Nikola Jovic. Isn't that about right? He's a borderline starter and he'd be getting paid borderline starter money. We're talking 8% of the cap for a guy who proved he's a capable rotation player on a championship-level team.


Because he got hunted all playoffs on D and in the apron era you can't overpay one trick ponies.


And he is going to be your third best SF by the end of next season.

Sam Hauser is 4/41. Better comp
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In reply to 99_Brock_Ag • 11:59a, 6/16/26
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I agree. Depending on how it's structured that seems like a reasonable contract for Julian. He's not a great defender, but he's not a traffic cone either. He's shown to be durable and a solid rebounder for a SF.


He's a great guy to have on the team but nobody's going to give him the full MLE on the free agent market.

If we are tearing up his $3 million deal for this season to pay him earlier, he needs to take a lower value deal as a thank you.

If he doesn't want something like Sam Hauser's 41 million, I think we should probably trade him while his value is at its peak with that $3 million deal to get a power forward or assets that we can use to flip for a power forward
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12:07p, 6/16/26
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Get Fox off this team. He's not a winner.
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12:49p, 6/16/26
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Julian on his $3Million deal to Charlotte move up to 14 to get Morez Johnson would feel a lot like George Hill to Indiana for #15 to get Kawhi.

Then take Dailyn Swain to replace JuJu at 20.

Or trade down and pick up Tarris Reed in the late first to be 3rd string center if you think he's not going to be there at 35 (I don't think he will be)
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In reply to Guitarsoup • 1:21p, 6/16/26
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Would def support dangling Julian in exchange for one of those late/post lottery picks if we get the sense he isn't willing to sign a team-friendly extension
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In reply to TheNotoriousP.I.P. • 1:25p, 6/16/26
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Especially if we could get one of Yaxel, Morez, or Steinbach with that pick.
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