The last 3rd baseman we got from Miami....

Hmmmm, can't see how this makes sense at all

Wow. This pisses me off. Kiké was awesome

Love Moran. Kinda meh about everything else though

Wates too? Per Heyman

They just never cared for Wates. Geez. He will be the next Ruggiano.

We got the #6 pick from last years draft. Thats pretty salt. Moran is a stud.

So we sent 2 performers in the MLB + a minor leaguer for 2 minor leaguers? This doesn't make any sense to me unless they are the top 2 prospects in Miami

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This is a good trade for us. We get a top 40 pick in the draft. Marisnick and Moran were both BA top 100 prospect after last year, entering this year.

Luhnow wanted to turn pitching into bats, and he did a good job.

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I actually think that is a pretty good trade

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So we sent 2 performers in the MLB + a minor leaguer for 2 minor leaguers? This doesn't make any sense to me unless they are the top 2 prospects in Miami

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They were #2 and #3

Ok I can deal with that a bit better then

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Francis Martes, rhp, Marlins

Age: 18. B-T: B-R. Ht.: 6-0. Wt.: 170. Signed: Dominican Republic, 2012.

Despite working with a restricted budget, Marlins scouts have picked up some promising under-the-radar pitchers in the Dominican Republic, including righthander Jose Urena. Their latest find is Martes, a $78,000 signing from November 2012. Martes was a pitchability righthander with a high-80s fastball when he signed, but last summer in the DSL he pitched at 90-94 mph. He’s only gotten better since then, hitting 97 mph last month. While a lot of young arms with Martes’ velocity are more thrower than pitcher, Martes fills up the strike zone with a loose arm, good delivery, and good arm action. He works down in the zone and generates a lot of groundballs. He has the attributes of a starting pitcher, with a potential plus changeup that’s ahead of his breaking ball.

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http://www.bluejaysmessageboard.com/threads/2413-BA-Top-20-Summer-League-prospects-Castro-and-Urena-make-list

I'm not sold on this trade.

I'm not doubting its a decent trade. But Cosart had potential to be a top 3 in the rotation for a long time. You dont trade someone like that for unproven players.

Luhnow is proving that his goal is to constantly rebuild. This is not going to be a competing team in the next 4 years.

Until I see results, Im off the Luhnow bandwagon.

Agree with mazag. Starting to doubt if we'll ever get out of rebuild mode.

Until I see results, Im off the Luhnow bandwagon.

Moran is hitting .294 in A+. Slugging is .393 with an OPS of .735. Only 58 strike outs in 361 ABs...are you sure he fits our scheme?

Marisnick is a traditional .270ish hitter in the minors with decent power. Looks like he's got decent speed.

I'm not liking this trade at all. I think Cosart's value and potential is way better than these guys.

I look at it this way, we are adding premiere talent (and depth) at nearly every position:

3B: Rio Ruiz and Colin Moran
SS: Carlos Correa
2B: Already have Altuve
1B: A.J. Reed is in the works (we'll see if Singleton can figure it out)

Pitchers in the works:

Folty (AAA)
Wojo (AAA)
Tropeano (AAA)
Appel (AA)
Hader (A+)
McCullers (A+)

We had a good amount of young pitchers to trade, and we have a good amount in the upper portion of the minors or on the cusp of being in the upper portion of the minors who can fill that void when they are ready.

I agree that the perception that we are constantly in rebuild mode is annoying. But we are loading up our system with premiere players that you can build a foundation around. I don't see Cosart or Keke being a foundation player, and so they parted with them to add a player who could possibly fit that bill (Moran)

We'll see how it plays out

I'm not sure how to feel on this one either. I really can't wait to see who gets the call to take Cosart's spot though. Folty? NiTro? Wojo?

I'm guessing Tropeano...

Folty and Wojo aren't far behind Tropeano in my opinion.

The more I think about this, the more it makes sense. I really just don't wanna see kiké leave

If it makes you feel any better, a baseball message board I frequent is raving about how the Astros made out with this trade:

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Wow, Moran also, Houston made out pretty good IMO!!

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Astros killed it here. Moran AND Marisnick.

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Hernandez is an interesting piece, and know people like Cosart but what the hell are the Marlins doing?

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Terrible they let the Moran go for Cossart. Don't like this deal one bit. Marlins got arms in AAA that's equal to Cossart

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That's a huge return for Cosart.

That comp pick sets them up to have a huge draft in 2015 as well.

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Essentially the Astros trading Hunter Pence has brought them Moran, Marisnick, Santana, Singleton and Zeid!! Thats not a bad return!

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We've won 44 games so far this year and will probably finish with about 65. This wasn't going to be a team that suddenly wins 90 games next year. Cosart is a depth rotation guy. If you go back over the 121 pages of this thread you will see how so many of us have talked about our pitching depth in the minors. Turning Cosart into the #6 pick from last year is worth a shot. We are 2-3 years away as is and this won't hinder that time frame.

I think this trade sucks. The Astros are a joke from the top down.

(I know that I know nothing. I'm just tired of the "keep losing 100 games" approach.)

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Tropeano threw his first game in a month on Sunday so maybe he gets the call. I think Folty needs a little more time and I'm sure he isn't far away from being shutdown for the year because he has been fading.

So now we have

Feldman
Keuchel
McGugh
Obie
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Peacock back in the rotation

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The loss here is Hernandez i like his game cosart is a back end of the rotation guy at best on a good staff..

I'm jealous of the marlins from one of the worst teams in the MLB to in the race thia year.they also have little to no fan support in Miami

Meh