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Apparently she has lost her scholarship to Sam Houston.

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Your source is wrong.

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Insane she wasn't ejected.

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Thats definitely a scenario, where if you are on the scoring team, it takes all your willpower to not go tackle that girl and start brawling.

Had a friend at that game catcher was not getting any crap earlier in the game. Word was she's apparently had a history of pulling this crap. Both times she was almost straddling the baseline and had no play the girls were having to run around her to touch home and she threw the elbow both times! As an umpire and someone that has umpired both baseball and Softball we are taught that an action like what the catcher did here is an automatic ejection plain and simple that umpire messed up big time!

She deserves to be kicked off her team for at least half of next week season at the least.

It was an article from a local news station. Can't find it anymore.

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If you're an umpire you know she is not straddling the baseline. There is no baseline until a runner establishes it.

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If you're an umpire you know she is not straddling the baseline. There is no baseline until a runner establishes it.

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Evestor1 guy has been member since 2013 and has posted more on this thread than last two years combined. You related to the situation ?

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Not in the situation at all ... I just lost a pair of socks recently if you know what i'm saying!

I have some rentals nearby so my tenants facebooks have been going on about it so i've been loving the drama of a perfectly timed elbow. And no, I am not friendly with my tenants, but they always friend request me.

Can the girls not slide home?

Catcher is awful and deserves all the hate the Internet can bring.

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If you're an umpire you know she is not straddling the baseline. There is no baseline until a runner establishes it.

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Hey smart ass the baseline is 1 foot on each side of the line that would divide the center of the plate

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Your an uneducated baseball/softball guy. Lines that divide the center of the plate? What kind of rule is that?

The Baseline is established by the runner. If the runner is avoiding a tag he/she is allowed to deviate from that baseline by 3'.

The chalk line is the boundary that seperates foul from fair, and if a ball stops on the chalk it is fair. The chalk line is also drawn from the corners of the plate, not the center.

How can a runner deviate from something they establish?

BTW, here is the MLB rule. I'm too lazy right now to look up the UIL softball rule.

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NOTE: The catcher, without the ball in his possession, has no right to block the pathway of the runner attempting to score. The base line belongs to the runner and the catcher should be there only when he is fielding a ball or when he already has the ball in his hand.

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The base line is a set, predetermined line, see below...

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The chalk line is the boundary that seperates foul from fair, and if a ball stops on the chalk it is fair. The chalk line is also drawn from the corners of the plate, not the center.

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MLB defines fair and foul territory as the following:

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FAIR TERRITORY is that part of the playing field within, and including the first base and third base lines, from home base to the bottom of the playing field fence and perpendicularly upwards. All foul lines are in fair territory.

FOUL TERRITORY is that part of the playing field outside the first and third base lines extended to the fence and perpendicularly
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You will find the term "base line" 20 times in the rule book. The base lines are set lines with set placements as defined in Diagram 1 in the appendix of the rules. You can read all about it here.

Much of the rule book depends on them being set, predetermined lines. The measurements to the outfield wall are determined by the distance of the fence from where the base lines intersect.

They even define fence placement as something like "more than 60 feet from the base line",

Similarly, benches are to be 25 or more feet from the base lines...are you suggesting they have a player go out and run around so they can figure out where they can put fences and benches?

Do we move the dugouts every time a new runner is running? That's fancy.

That reference to base line is the literal line that is drawn.

Are you making the contention that when a baserunner rounds first base to go to second and isn't efficient and makes a wide turn 8 feet outside the line between first and second, he is out of the baseline?

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You will find the term "base line" 20 times in the rule book. The base lines are set lines with set placements as defined in Diagram 1 in the appendix of the rules.

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When you build a field, or renovate the field you have to have base lines to connect each base. So you have a 90' line from home plate to the back of first base, then a 90' line to the center of 2nd base, and a 90' line from the center of second to the back of 3rd base, and then a 90' line from the back of 3rd to the back point of home plate. So there you have base lines.

But what about this rule?

(b) (7.08) Retiring a Runner Any runner is out when:
(1) He runs more than three feet away from his base path to avoid being tagged unless his action is to avoid interference with a fielder fielding a batted ball. A runner's base path is established when the tag attempt occurs and is a straight line from the runner to the base he is attempting to reach safely;

And if you must run down the "baseline" why do we have a runner's lane on the way to first?

Rule 5.09 (11) In running the last half of the distance from home base to first base, while the ball is being fielded to first base, he runs outside (to the right of ) the three-foot line, or inside to the left of ) the foul line, and in the umpire's judgment in so doing interferes with the fielder taking the throw at first base, in which case the ball is dead; except that he may run outside (to the right of ) the three-foot line or
inside (to the left of ) the foul line to avoid a fielder attempting to field a batted ball;

Rule 5.09(a )(11) Comment (Rule 6.05(k) Comment): The lines marking the three-foot lane are a part of that lane and a batter-runner is required to have both feet within the three-foot
lane or on the lines marking the lane. The batter-runner is permitted to exit the three-foot lane by means of a step, stride, reach or slide in the immediate vicinity of first base for the sole purpose of touching first base.

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That reference to base line is the literal line that is drawn.

Are you making the contention that when a baserunner rounds first base to go to second and isn't efficient and makes a wide turn 8 feet outside the line between first and second, he is out of the baseline?

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Finally someone understands the game of baseball!!!

Blue Diamond for you

Base line != base path.

But regardless, this dumb argument is irrelevant to the matter at hand. The catcher was interfering with the runners path to the plate and when the runners came near her she completely inappropriately applied force to knock them off their feet. The girl should have been dealt with by the umps, but absent that, someone scoring should just dive at her knees. Women tear ACLs disproportionately.

Terrible response. Take out her acl? Are you kidding?

I absolutely don't like what the catcher did and she should have been ejected after the second incident.

But you are a bigger jerk and insane for advocating taking out a kid's knee.

The amount of negative publicity her play has generated nationally would make her a risk for any mid-major program to endure. Her scholarship offer could be pulled and if the Needville coach or her parents had anything to say about it, SHSU could respond with something along the lines of "WTH are you teaching these girls? How can you tolerate this behavior? "

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The amount of negative publicity her play has generated nationally would make her a risk for any mid-major program to endure. Her scholarship offer could be pulled and if the Needville coach or her parents had anything to say about it, SHSU could respond with something along the lines of "WTH are you teaching these girls? How can you tolerate this behavior? "

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C'mon now.

It's funny because stuff like this happened all the time when I was playing HS ball (early 2000s) and no one ever questioned our parents or coaches. Now it's girls and caught on video and it's a huge uproar. We used throw spikes, hard tag, or step on hands here and there.

It's against the rules and dirty but at the same time it's part of the game and part of competition. I think the fault comes back to the umpires. After the first time she should've been warned and if she did it again she's gone.

I don't think college programs are questioning parents and coaches and if they have that big an issue of it to yank a scholly then I'd call them hypocrites, because I'd imagine their teams don't play squeaky clean 100% of time either.

I know I'll probably get raked over the coals for saying all this but I'm putting in the context of real life.

What ended up happening to that college soccer player who got caught on video yanking girls down by the hair away from the plays? It made huge news. I think she was suspended but didn't have her scholly pulled. Granted she was already on team as opposed to a recruit. I can understand not wanting a player known as jerk like that to be around, but I doubt this situation significantly impacts her recruitment. She has 8 mos. til signing day and no one will care about this in a couple of weeks.

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Appears she was suspended based on video.

To clarify my previous comment, I don't wish injury on her, but I also think when the situation is being dealt with appropriately, you have to take matters in to your own hands on players and dole out justice. Hard slide to the legs is one way to do that.

And completely justified. Not that you're trying specifically blow out a knee but you're trying to send a message. A hard slide is ok, but picking up the bat and knocking her knees isn't. There's line in there somewhere.

Now I would've like the coaches to take some action after the first incident. Either with the umpire or walking up and addressing the player directly. Not physically, but walking up and showing some authority and sending a message that that can't AND won't happen again without some sort of consequence.

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You will find the term "base line" 20 times in the rule book. The base lines are set lines with set placements as defined in Diagram 1 in the appendix of the rules.

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(b) (7.08) Retiring a Runner Any runner is out when:
(1) He runs more than three feet away from his base path to avoid being tagged unless his action is to avoid interference with a fielder fielding a batted ball. A runner's base path is established when the tag attempt occurs and is a straight line from the runner to the base he is attempting to reach safely;

And if you must run down the "baseline" why do we have a runner's lane on the way to first?

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I did NOT say you have to run down the base line.

I said the catcher is not supposed to be on the base line unless she's making a play on the ball. In that video, she is not making a play on the ball but is in the base line.

Further, I would argue that if you're close enough to the runners' paths that a little elbow can make contact, you're possibly in the runner's path.

In any event, this is a wonderful academic discussion of baseball, but the reality is no one is mad because the catcher was standing there. People are mad because she threw an elbow and I think you said earlier you're with us in saying that was BS and she deserved some sort of punishment.

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Are you making the contention that when a baserunner rounds first base to go to second and isn't efficient and makes a wide turn 8 feet outside the line between first and second, he is out of the baseline?

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Nope. Not even a little bit.

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It's funny because stuff like this happened all the time when I was playing HS ball (early 2000s) and no one ever questioned our parents or coaches. Now it's girls and caught on video and it's a huge uproar. We used throw spikes, hard tag, or step on hands here and there.

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It sounds y'all were a bunch of little ****s.

Its always funny to me when people "remember their playing days" and how they did this and that and were sneaky here and there...because I think back to my playing days in multiple sports, and while I really really want to remember that kind of stuff and be able to get on here and tell stories about all the sneakiness, I honestly don't remember that stuff.

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And completely justified. Not that you're trying specifically blow out a knee but you're trying to send a message. A hard slide is ok, but picking up the bat and knocking her knees isn't. There's line in there somewhere.

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All you've really done there is potentially screw up someone's career and pissed more folks off because you wanted to "send a message" that may or may not be heard because you got your feelings hurt.

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Now I would've like the coaches to take some action after the first incident. Either with the umpire or walking up and addressing the player directly. Not physically, but walking up and showing some authority and sending a message that that can't AND won't happen again without some sort of consequence.

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I can assure you and the others talking about the coaches that they had no part in teaching these girls to do this and condone any of these actions. Also, you can say that the coaches should have said something to her but in reality when you go back and look at the video, the coaches were watching the play and what was happening in the field and not watching the girl cross home plate.

I can also assure you that the coaches probably are handling this privately and none of these girls deserve what the internet hate is bringing upon them.

Bunch poons in this thread

It's within the rules and part of the game. Sliding hard into second could ruin someone's career just to try and break up a double play.

Again, I'm not sayin take a bat to her knees but playing within the rules while standing up for yourself is completely justified. If she's standing there slide and knock her down on the way in.

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It's within the rules and part of the game. Sliding hard into second could ruin someone's career just to try and break up a double play.

Again, I'm not sayin take a bat to her knees but playing within the rules while standing up for yourself is completely justified. If she's standing there slide and knock her down on the way in.

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Everyone who plays a sport knows they can get injured. They know there are plays that are part of the game that can lead to injury.

However, when you're doing something like sliding into someone's knees to make a point, you're introducing unnecessary risk into the game.

Further, when you're sliding into second to break up a double play, the infielder expects it. They can take measures to protect themselves. If they're unsuspecting, you're increasing the risk they're going to get hurt from the slide.

I get what you're saying, and if they wanted to get up and yell and shove a little bit, then I wouldn't blame them, but I don't like advocating going out and creating another dangerous situation with an unexpected slide into someone's knees, for example.

Here's a secret for ya. Coaches of girls sports, particularly basketball, soccer, and softball, love a player like the catcher who is going to take every advantage she can to intimidate the other team's players, get in their heads, get them PO'ed, and get them to make stupid decisions as a result of thinking about her instead of the game.

Many HS female athletes don't have that killer instinct, particularly ones in the "whiter" sports like softball and soccer. They play the game for fun, for camraderie, and for the social aspect of it, and that is awesome. But the ones who have that swagger and the "win at any cost mentality" are the ones that coaches wish they had 9 of to start at every position.

Back in the dark ages when I covered HS sports for a living, there was a softball coach who had his team doing trick plays and little gadget stuff all the time to get in the other team's head. When it was a 2-0 count and a runner was on first, if the pitcher threw ball 3, the girl at home would run to first like it was a walk and the girl at first would run to second. The umpire would make the girl come back to the plate, but the other team would suddenly realize the girl at first had just stolen a base on them. His teams were aggressive, they went 1st to 3rd, they initiated collisions and they would hit the other team's best batter if she jacked a HR, just to let her know. I admired the hell out of that coach, his teams rarely had the most talent, but they balled out every inning of every game.

Really? I've gotten to know dozens of women's sports coaches over the years---growing up the son of a college softball coach will cause that---and I think most of them would say this was chicken****.

As for hitting someone who hit a HR, you admire a coach that would purposely hit a girl and put her on base because that girl hit a home run?

I understand sometimes it is a smart move to walk a girl rather than let her hit, but it sounds to me like that coach you respect was just a little ***** that couldn't handle getting bested by an opponent.

She hit a home run. Too bad, so sad. Get the **** over it. Act like an adult.

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Ok, I'll disagree with her losing a scholarship. That is over the top. That can't be true right? Kicking her out of the game is the worst punishment I'd say is needed for what I saw in that clip.

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Totally agree. It was a dirty play, but one that should have been punished in the game. There's absolutely no need to ruin her life over this.