I've never seen a league work that way before to be honest. I would have to think of the ramifications of making that change.

Off the top of my head, it mostly neutralizes the benefit that the team in last place gets. It also would get hazy after a few years when the best teams are keeping the best players at higher $$ amounts, leading them to keep a smaller amount of players, giving them the first picks in the draft.


We can discuss it during the season, it shouldn't have any impact on the way the draft turns out, so I don't want to confuse everyone more than they might be.

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Anyway I'd prefer to have the option to have bench players be batters or pitchers because that's actually the most realistic.

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I've come around to that line of thinking somewhat as its not something I can regulate, but the problem I am running into mentally is that if you drafted 8 starting pitchers and kept 3 on your bench, you could just rotate them in and out on their pitching days and garner a big advantage on the pitching stats (like wins and strikeouts) where the increase in innings pitched would pay off.

If we were to do that, I would actually prefer to make weekly lineup changes (as opposed to daily) to avoid the ability to get around that.

I think that's a fair trade off if that's what it takes. I agree that with the spirit of this league as I understand it you don't want guys streaming pitchers.

Found this on another site-

"I'm in a 14 team pretty deep semi-dynasty that's been really competitive and excellent to be a part of. it balances the depth of dynasty with the ability to recover from having a terrible owner kill a team.

5x5 roto (obp instead of avg). we started with a snake draft in 2008 i think. 14 teams, with 29 major league and 5 minor league slots per team. the waiver is usually pretty barren, but gems can be found if you plan ahead wisely. Salary cap is 165M (this may rise slightly this year), and uses the players' real life salaries from the previous year (otherwise they can be difficult to find). the only way to remove a guy's salary from your payroll is to trade him, drops must continue to be paid, and if you add them again you pay them again.

C, 1b, 2b, 3b, ss, mi, ci, 5xOF, U

9 pitcher spots, no restrictions.

7 bench spots

5 minor league slots

3 DL slots

players can only be put in minors or DL if they are in minors or DL, but may be stashed there indefinitely at owner's discretion (until keeper rules apply to minor leaguers)

currently minimum total team AB is 5000 and IP is 950, but these are being revised up significantly this off-season to prevent overagressive rebuilding. Max IP is 1500 (works well) and no max ab.

in season, waivers run early morning on weds and sat. lineups are set daily. trades are reviewed only by request by the 3 commishes (or other owners if a commish is involved), who will vote. currently suspected collusion is the only reason to veto.

after the season, we have 15 keepers and 5 minor league keepers (>100ab or 30ip) and redraft the rest using non-snake draft."

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Instead of the "salary" this league does 15 keepers and 5 minor league guys being kept. Again, just throwing some ideas out there since it's almost draft time and we need to get this sorted out. Either way it plays out in looking forward to this league going for many years. This first draft is going to be crucial for everyone. Hope you're all prepared!

I have a feeling I'm going to get my butt kicked in this league.

That's okay, I'm just playing for next year's number one pick.

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I have a feeling I'm going to get my butt kicked in this league.

That's okay, I'm just playing for next year's number one pick.

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I feel the same way. haha

What's with he lack of confidence guys? You can at least wait until after the draft to say that!

I feel pretty good but having a hell of an internal debate about what to do at 3!

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Anyway I'd prefer to have the option to have bench players be batters or pitchers because that's actually the most realistic.

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I've come around to that line of thinking somewhat as its not something I can regulate, but the problem I am running into mentally is that if you drafted 8 starting pitchers and kept 3 on your bench, you could just rotate them in and out on their pitching days and garner a big advantage on the pitching stats (like wins and strikeouts) where the increase in innings pitched would pay off.

If we were to do that, I would actually prefer to make weekly lineup changes (as opposed to daily) to avoid the ability to get around that.

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I think that this is still the major issue that needs to be decided prior to draft day tomorrow. I'm fine with either way personally, but I need to know before tomorrow if I want to draft extra pitchers that would be able to be used throughout the week or draft more players to switch in/out for injuries.

Edit: I do like the daily updates way, so you can tweak your lineup throughout the week as players get hot/cold. Also allows for an injury not to wreck your whole week match up.

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What's with he lack of confidence guys? You can at least wait until after the draft to say that!

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I'm not gonna gift wrap a birth in the championship this time

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Anyway I'd prefer to have the option to have bench players be batters or pitchers because that's actually the most realistic.

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I've come around to that line of thinking somewhat as its not something I can regulate, but the problem I am running into mentally is that if you drafted 8 starting pitchers and kept 3 on your bench, you could just rotate them in and out on their pitching days and garner a big advantage on the pitching stats (like wins and strikeouts) where the increase in innings pitched would pay off.

If we were to do that, I would actually prefer to make weekly lineup changes (as opposed to daily) to avoid the ability to get around that.

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I think that this is still the major issue that needs to be decided prior to draft day tomorrow. I'm fine with either way personally, but I need to know before tomorrow if I want to draft extra pitchers that would be able to be used throughout the week or draft more players to switch in/out for injuries.

Edit: I do like the daily updates way, so you can tweak your lineup throughout the week as players get hot/cold. Also allows for an injury not to wreck your whole week match up.

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So let's just prohibit streaming pitchers altogether, but you can have up to 3 subs of your hitters during the week.

Also I think a first round pick should have a higher "salary" than, say, a 20th round pick. It makes no sense that Mike Trout has the same salary as a middle reliever or a back end starting pitcher.

One minor change I found in a other league is the use of actual positions in the OF such as having to have a LF, CF, RF. It would help spread things out since there are so many teams.

As far as pitchers go I'm fine either way. Streaming pitchers can hurt you just as it can help. If you make losses a stat category it can be a negative to stream. Sure wins and K's could be higher but you're still at risk of for losses and an inflated ERA/WHIP/etc...

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Anyway I'd prefer to have the option to have bench players be batters or pitchers because that's actually the most realistic.

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I've come around to that line of thinking somewhat as its not something I can regulate, but the problem I am running into mentally is that if you drafted 8 starting pitchers and kept 3 on your bench, you could just rotate them in and out on their pitching days and garner a big advantage on the pitching stats (like wins and strikeouts) where the increase in innings pitched would pay off.

If we were to do that, I would actually prefer to make weekly lineup changes (as opposed to daily) to avoid the ability to get around that.

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I think that this is still the major issue that needs to be decided prior to draft day tomorrow. I'm fine with either way personally, but I need to know before tomorrow if I want to draft extra pitchers that would be able to be used throughout the week or draft more players to switch in/out for injuries.

Edit: I do like the daily updates way, so you can tweak your lineup throughout the week as players get hot/cold. Also allows for an injury not to wreck your whole week match up.

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So let's just prohibit streaming pitchers altogether, but you can have up to 3 subs of your hitters during the week.

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While in a vacuum that sounds like a good idea, but if one of my starting pitchers pulls a hammy on Monday, if I have the option to sub in another starter it's going to be very difficult to not throw him in with one of my 3 moves for the week. I think you either regulate it out with the weekly lineups, or you get three moves weekly to do as you wish.

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Anyway I'd prefer to have the option to have bench players be batters or pitchers because that's actually the most realistic.

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I've come around to that line of thinking somewhat as its not something I can regulate, but the problem I am running into mentally is that if you drafted 8 starting pitchers and kept 3 on your bench, you could just rotate them in and out on their pitching days and garner a big advantage on the pitching stats (like wins and strikeouts) where the increase in innings pitched would pay off.

If we were to do that, I would actually prefer to make weekly lineup changes (as opposed to daily) to avoid the ability to get around that.

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I think that this is still the major issue that needs to be decided prior to draft day tomorrow. I'm fine with either way personally, but I need to know before tomorrow if I want to draft extra pitchers that would be able to be used throughout the week or draft more players to switch in/out for injuries.

Edit: I do like the daily updates way, so you can tweak your lineup throughout the week as players get hot/cold. Also allows for an injury not to wreck your whole week match up.

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So let's just prohibit streaming pitchers altogether, but you can have up to 3 subs of your hitters during the week.

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While in a vacuum that sounds like a good idea, but if one of my starting pitchers pulls a hammy on Monday, if I have the option to sub in another starter it's going to be very difficult to not throw him in with one of my 3 moves for the week. I think you either regulate it out with the weekly lineups, or you get three moves weekly to do as you wish.

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Are you saying that the honor system wouldnt work here?

Again, I'm fine with whatever the commish wants to implement. Just throwing ideas out there that I've used or seen work in other leagues..

I would add hits as a batting category. I would also add losses and maybe holds to the pitching categories. Adding losses will help combat streaming pitchers and adding holds will be a bonus category for all of the RP spots we need to fill so it's not just save based since there are so many teams and RP spots to fill. Instead of holds you could even add walks which would be a negative to streaming pitchers.

Really as long as the rules are set before tomorrow we are on a level playing field.

I'm saying it would be very difficult to police.

The only thing I'm really against would be weekly lineups. If we are making this a realistic experience with full rosters we should be able to make changes daily.

Also, in my experience with weekly lineup changes people tend to lose interest or forget about their team. Keeping it daily helps keep everyone engaged.

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Again, I'm fine with whatever the commish wants to implement. Just throwing ideas out there that I've used or seen work in other leagues..

I would add hits as a batting category. I would also add losses and maybe holds to the pitching categories. Adding losses will help combat streaming pitchers and adding holds will be a bonus category for all of the RP spots we need to fill so it's not just save based since there are so many teams and RP spots to fill. Instead of holds you could even add walks which would be a negative to streaming pitchers.

Really as long as the rules are set before tomorrow we are on a level playing field.

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I also agree on adding holds with so many reliever spots.

Hey can we also add wRC+ as a batting category?

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Bill James "stats".

Working on this for the next hour or so. I am going to start a new "season" thread that will have all the rules, etc combined into one thread for simplicity.

All of the rules, etc. will be set in stone, with the one exception of possible keeper rules.

Sounds good.

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Working on this for the next hour or so. I am going to start a new "season" thread that will have all the rules, etc combined into one thread for simplicity.

All of the rules, etc. will be set in stone, with the one exception of possible keeper rules.

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Thanks. The guy drafting for me will need some time to look over the rules on yahoo.

You hired a guy to draft for you?!? Go ahead and give him the trophy now.

Good idea. Start a new thread with the exact rules.

I've been looking in to ways to regulate keepers. Trying to come up with some ideas for you...

Found one dynasty league that allows you to keep 15 players in your roster as long as they are under 30 years old. If they are over 30 they are automatically a FA.

General consensus for dynasty leagues is keeping more players rather than fewer.

Your "salary" system may be less confusing for some and easier to keep track of it it's a point system. For example, depending on what round you draft a player in they are worth a certain amount of points. The earlier rounds are worth more points (EX: Trout would be worth 25 points being taken in the first round and someone like Napoli who is drafted in the 20th round would be worth 5 points). Next year you have 225 points and you're able to keep whatever players you want as long as you're under the point total.

Just throwing out a few I've come across.

I'm going to keep it very simple for year one. We can tweak from there.

I saw one baseball dynasty that did a first-year auction draft with a $200 budget/salary cap per team, and then each subsequent year the $200 cap stayed in place, but each player's "salary" (which is based on their initial auction price) increased 10% from the previous year (i.e., Trout is drafted for $50 in the initial auction. In season 2, his salary is $55. In S3, his salary is $61, etc.) -- as long as you're under the $200 cap, you can keep as few or as many players as you choose.

Just throwing out an idea that I thought was interesting.

new post here - https://texags.com/forums/53/topics/2738210

We will move all the conversation over there, and let this thread die.