***** Official 2020 Texas Rangers Season Thread *****
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I did see JD walking in the hall today about 15-20 minutes after the trade deadline and he looked completely defeated
But he didnt budge on the price for Lynn...so hes got that going for him.AccidentProne said:
I did see JD walking in the hall today about 15-20 minutes after the trade deadline and he looked completely defeated
Eddie Guardado's jock is more useful than keeping Lynn
We suck we ain't winning **** anytime soon
We suck we ain't winning **** anytime soon
I know it wont happen..... but I hope the fans hold out nxt season. Make ownership actually put forth some effort to bring fans back.
alvtimes said:
I know it wont happen..... but I hope the fans hold out nxt season. Make ownership actually put forth some effort to bring fans back.
Should we just fast-forward to the part where the Rangers lowball all the big-name free agents again this winter so they can project the image that "aw shucks, at least we tried" or just let things play out naturally and try to act surprised when it happens?
Good grief, this team is so depressing right now.
I thought the Miami Marlins got the "build a weird looking but expensive stadium then tank the franchise" move out of the way so the rest of the league didn't have to worry about it
Even if we tank, we have been pretty bad at drafting and developing players, especially pitching. WE may be wandering in the wilderness for awhile.
Kip ***g needs to be re-assigned or fired.EastSideAg2002 said:
Even if we tank, we have been pretty bad at drafting and developing players, especially pitching. WE may be wandering in the wilderness for awhile.
Bring in someone who can draft.
I don't even think they're gonna bother faking. Daniels already announced they're cutting salary. They're not even going to attempt to do anything other than get less for Lance Lynn than what they would have gotten today.
Kip ***g
What does this mran?
What does this mran?
Kip ***gJimmy McNulty said:
Kip ***g
What does this mran?
The main guy in charge of drafting and development for the rangers.
I think the book is out on Daniel's around the league. Everybody knew how desperate he was to make something happen and he got low-balled by any interested trade partner.
He's got to go, but I have almost no faith at all in this ownership group hiring a decent GM. We're about as far away from being relevant as this franchise has ever been in almost 50 years of history here.
He's got to go, but I have almost no faith at all in this ownership group hiring a decent GM. We're about as far away from being relevant as this franchise has ever been in almost 50 years of history here.
Dallasag02 said:
I think the book is out on Daniel's around the league. Everybody knew how desperate he was to make something happen and he got low-balled by any interested trade partner.
He's got to go, but I have almost no faith at all in this ownership group hiring a decent GM. We're about as far away from being relevant as this franchise has ever been in almost 50 years of history here.
The only thing I wonder about with Daniels on this is if he got overruled on taking less than what they were asking. Honestly, once you got to the deadline, it made no sense to not make something happen. Lynn has virtually zero value to this organization. Especially if not trading him means you promptly announce you're cutting payroll and not going to be competitive for even longer. I'm not a Daniels fan but I'd like to think he's not that dumb.
Ranger #007 said:Dallasag02 said:
I think the book is out on Daniel's around the league. Everybody knew how desperate he was to make something happen and he got low-balled by any interested trade partner.
He's got to go, but I have almost no faith at all in this ownership group hiring a decent GM. We're about as far away from being relevant as this franchise has ever been in almost 50 years of history here.
The only thing I wonder about with Daniels on this is if he got overruled on taking less than what they were asking. Honestly, once you got to the deadline, it made no sense to not make something happen. Lynn has virtually zero value to this organization. Especially if not trading him means you promptly announce you're cutting payroll and not going to be competitive for even longer. I'm not a Daniels fan but I'd like to think he's not that dumb.
The whole thing is very confusing. I think you could have made a case that ownership wanted it's Opening Day Starter and marketing chip to at least get some early season ticket revenue in 2021 before looking to sell, and so the instruction was only move him if you got a great offer (which never came).
But then to immediately publicly state that payroll is getting cut and signal we won't be competitive next year kind of undercuts any "hey come buy tickets, if you don't pay attention to baseball you might think we have a chance because of Lynn/Gallo!"
Ownership is very obviously up against the wall. A really bad time to be owning the Texas Rangers with a new stadium and no ticket revenue.
Really only explanation for it is that we're dealing with one of the "trust the process" front office mantras where they told themselves they wouldn't take less than XYZ for Lynn.
Not sure why we continue to trust a process that hasn't benefited us for almost a decade?
Reading this morning that the asking price for Lynn was something around a team's top 5 prospect. Apparently nothing like that ever materialized, which is not surprising as Clevenger (younger and more team control) didn't return that level of prospect. Very disappointing day all around.
I wondering if Daniels feels handcuffed by the current ownership group and threw the payroll cut comment out there to let everyone know it's not just him that is to blame. Maybe even daring them to fire him for not taking the punches for ownership. We'll see. It's probably time for a new slate, I think the owners and JD all need to go. Once JD lost his top level assistants he hasn't been the same... so maybe it was more the assistants and not as much JD making those decisions.
And if the owners aren't committed to the team than just sell. We aren't a small media market team that needs to operate on a shoestring type budget.
And if the owners aren't committed to the team than just sell. We aren't a small media market team that needs to operate on a shoestring type budget.
I was not expecting much from the trade deadline. Why just give pieces away for less just because. It won't help. We don't draft well and we are not developing players it seems. Severely frustrated with the whole thing right now. Going forward just going to enjoy being able to go to games whenever that is available and be entertained. Officially apathetic to the whole thing.
What's extremely weird about this whole thing is that the leagues philosophy has shifted seemingly overnight in a very dramatic way. Young talent ( prospects) is valued at levels we have never seen before. Teams used to not mind throwing in prospects for deals in an effort to win it all and not think twice about it.
It looked like a sellers market, but it wasn't. No top 100 baseball prospect was moved. How often does that happen?
Why do teams who can seemingly print money and don't seem to have much trouble getting free agents, also have to guard their farm system like a mother alligator guards her nest?
Here's a good rule of thumb if your a rangers fan because I think it's actually true no matter what :
When the rangers are buying at the trade deadline = better pay up because teams are in the mood to win this year.
When the rangers are selling at the trade deadline = low ball offers given by comfortable teams who like their positions, but are just doing their due diligence because it is the trade deadline.
Who knows man?
It's the 3rd or 4th year in a row where we were hoping to get prospects through the deadline and pretty much struck out. We need to draft and develop better or we are never getting out of this mess.
It looked like a sellers market, but it wasn't. No top 100 baseball prospect was moved. How often does that happen?
Why do teams who can seemingly print money and don't seem to have much trouble getting free agents, also have to guard their farm system like a mother alligator guards her nest?
Here's a good rule of thumb if your a rangers fan because I think it's actually true no matter what :
When the rangers are buying at the trade deadline = better pay up because teams are in the mood to win this year.
When the rangers are selling at the trade deadline = low ball offers given by comfortable teams who like their positions, but are just doing their due diligence because it is the trade deadline.
Who knows man?
It's the 3rd or 4th year in a row where we were hoping to get prospects through the deadline and pretty much struck out. We need to draft and develop better or we are never getting out of this mess.
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Why do teams who can seemingly print money and don't seem to have much trouble getting free agents, also have to guard their farm system like a mother alligator guards her nest?
Because they guard the prospects (and can develop talent) they are able to maximize dollars to go get free agents.
Even with unlimited money it is good to be smart.
And the keeping of top prospects was more prevalent this season because payrolls are going to be down across baseball with lack of 2020 ticket revenue and the potential that 2021 ticket revenue is going to be significantly down (and possibly reduced capacity).
I mean, curse or no... I don't think a Texas team could have picked a worse time to build a new stadium.
I mean, curse or no... I don't think a Texas team could have picked a worse time to build a new stadium.
The only thing that makes sense to mean - Mr. Simpson and Mr. Davis plan on selling in the next 12 months. Quite a bit of dead money coming off at the end of this season (Fielder - $9 MM). More ill-spent money (Choo - $21 MM) also coming off. Holy cow - I just looked and there will be $0 of retained salary in 2021 (assuming they don't eat a contract before then - I'm looking at you ODOR).
Low salary + no retained salary + new stadium = perfect time to sell.
Low salary + no retained salary + new stadium = perfect time to sell.
You guys that are wanting to jump off a cliff are wearing me out. JD is the best thing that ever happened to this franchise. He built a 2-time AL champ while we were bankrupt. He didn't forget baseball all of a sudden. Lynn has another year under contract. If he didn't get what he was looking for, he's got a whole year left to find it.
The chicken little attitude is a little extreme right now, but let's not act like JD has lost a lot of his team that helped him build that Rangers team.hawk1689 said:
You guys that are wanting to jump off a cliff are wearing me out. JD is the best thing that ever happened to this franchise. He built a 2-time AL champ while we were bankrupt. He didn't forget baseball all of a sudden. Lynn has another year under contract. If he didn't get what he was looking for, he's got a whole year left to find it.
There are a lot of unknowns in how much was JD vs good staff, ownership handcuffing him, etc.
wbt5845 said:
The only thing that makes sense to mean - Mr. Simpson and Mr. Davis plan on selling in the next 12 months. Quite a bit of dead money coming off at the end of this season (Fielder - $9 MM). More ill-spent money (Choo - $21 MM) also coming off. Holy cow - I just looked and there will be $0 of retained salary in 2021 (assuming they don't eat a contract before then - I'm looking at you ODOR).
Low salary + no retained salary + new stadium = perfect time to sell.
We can only pray that's the case. Maybe Jerry could buy them, fire JD and name himself GM. Two birds one stone.
Just typing that made me realize how ridiculous the Cowboys' set-up has been for the last 30 years. I simply can't imagine someone in any other sport (or today's NFL for that matter) buying a team and naming themselves GM.
The Marlins may have been worse where the owner was making the GM/coach double shift because he was too cheap to pay for each job.Dallasag02 said:wbt5845 said:
The only thing that makes sense to mean - Mr. Simpson and Mr. Davis plan on selling in the next 12 months. Quite a bit of dead money coming off at the end of this season (Fielder - $9 MM). More ill-spent money (Choo - $21 MM) also coming off. Holy cow - I just looked and there will be $0 of retained salary in 2021 (assuming they don't eat a contract before then - I'm looking at you ODOR).
Low salary + no retained salary + new stadium = perfect time to sell.
We can only pray that's the case. Maybe Jerry could buy them, fire JD and name himself GM. Two birds one stone.
Just typing that made me realize how ridiculous the Cowboys' set-up has been for the last 30 years. I simply can't imagine someone in any other sport (or today's NFL for that matter) buying a team and naming themselves GM.
Nothing appreciates like a major league sports team.
Mr. Simpson and Mr. Davis bought the team for $570 million on January 22, 2010. And that price was driven UP in a bankruptcy court auction.
Today, team is valued at $1.75 BILLION per Forbes. Royals sold for $1 B this year - old stadium and small market. Marlins sold for $1.3 B in 2018.
An annual rate of return of 10.2% And that is after paying WAY too much at the front end and selling during a pandemic.
Now, they almost certainly had negative cash flow in some of those year - but positive in others. Just damn. What a way for the rich to get richer.
Mr. Simpson and Mr. Davis bought the team for $570 million on January 22, 2010. And that price was driven UP in a bankruptcy court auction.
Today, team is valued at $1.75 BILLION per Forbes. Royals sold for $1 B this year - old stadium and small market. Marlins sold for $1.3 B in 2018.
An annual rate of return of 10.2% And that is after paying WAY too much at the front end and selling during a pandemic.
Now, they almost certainly had negative cash flow in some of those year - but positive in others. Just damn. What a way for the rich to get richer.
You're right, JD was a very good GM nearly a decade agohawk1689 said:
You guys that are wanting to jump off a cliff are wearing me out. JD is the best thing that ever happened to this franchise. He built a 2-time AL champ while we were bankrupt. He didn't forget baseball all of a sudden. Lynn has another year under contract. If he didn't get what he was looking for, he's got a whole year left to find it.
SO could the thought be - with Kluber and Lynn next year, the Rangers have the nucleus of a first rate starting rotation? And that the park is going to be appealing to pitcher FAs?
Seriously - I'm trying to think of stuff here.
Seriously - I'm trying to think of stuff here.
wbt5845 said:
SO could the thought be - with Kluber and Lynn next year, the Rangers have the nucleus of a first rate starting rotation? And that the park is going to be appealing to pitcher FAs?
Seriously - I'm trying to think of stuff here.
I doubt we pickup Kluber's option.
But even if we did and Lynn didn't regress and Kluber bounces back to a legitimate TORP.... Wedl have 2 good starters and 3 rotation holes to fill.
And an offense with roughly 3-4 holes to fill.
That would be a tough ask even if we were willing to spend in free agency. We're on record stating we aren't going to spend in free agency.
There's no roadmap to this team competing the next 2 years if they aren't going to spend greatly in free agency.
Well this is going well so far lol
Trevino batting third is a frightening thing.
Elvis picking right back up where he left off
I mean, he has been one of our better hitters recently, but on a decent team you are right. He wouldn't be anywhere near 3rd. I think maybe Solak hitting 3rd and Trevino hitting 5th might look better on paper at least.
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