*****Official RANGERS Offseason Thread*****

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10:40a, 3/25/25
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Really want the Peagle to stay. It is a fantastic logo and idea
God loves you so much He'll meet you where you are. He also loves you too much to allow to stay where you are.

We sing Hallelujah! The Lamb has overcome!
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10:58a, 3/25/25
Sounds like we'll know today on who makes the final roster. I'd bet Carter and Duran are sent down to AAA to figure it out with everyday at bats

Also another thing interesting from last night was the bullpen usage.
7th - Garcia
8th - Martin
9th- Jackson


Jackson hasn't been talked much about as a closer but he's had a helluva spring
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11:30a, 3/25/25
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Ya, saw a tweet that makes it sound like Carter + Duran are headed to RR. I'm a fan of Carter getting everyday bats and not getting torched by Crochet on Thursday (he'd be platooned anyways) but hopefully he can get his swing right and we can trade Leody for a backup like Skubal or Cease and ride into the sunset.

I didn't have Luke Jackson for closer on my bingo card, but it might be happening if last night is any indication. Would be a great Athletic piece during our WS run about how we've come full circle with him though.
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In reply to gigem1223 • 11:32a, 3/25/25
Like they mentioned on the broadcast post-game, last night... Jackson came in to finish the game but don't read too much into that, or his success.

He came in last night after most of the starters were pulled. During ST he pitched against mostly non-starter MLB players. While last night the guys he faced are likely MLB players, they were not the type of guys he'll normally face in the season.

I haven't looked at his games, but last night:
O'Keefe (31): 22 career MLB ABs
Castro (31): DNP in '24. 446 Career MLB Gs
Blanco (31): 162 career Gs
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11:36a, 3/25/25
Any word on Dunning?

1:35 game today. I'd expect info on Dunning.
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12:15p, 3/25/25
Really hope Carter and Dunning can get right. Would be really nice to have Dunning from a couple seasons ago in our back pocket again for the inevitable pitching "problems" show up.

(I don't even want to speak them into existence!)
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12:17p, 3/25/25
Tickets acquired for Thursday! I am pretty shocked to see Duran up and Carter in AAA but I guess they just want him to get the AB's and confidence up. Nothing wrong with that at all. Looking forward to seeing the rest of the 40.
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In reply to MrCoachEricTaylor • 12:29p, 3/25/25
I think we lucked out with Carter in '23. He is still only 22 and almost a full year younger than Langford. The key will be for him to keep his mind right. Not all players can take a demotion like that.

The hope for Dunning is that he moves back to a SP and shows improvement enough to trade.

Ideally Leiter and Rocker show enough to hold a spot in the rotation. I know there will be bumps and setbacks. Just need to go deep into games and settle in.

If our SP remains healthy enough to not need Dunning, then he might have trade value for a cheap SP.

Corbin joined the team, but apparently hasn't had "the conversation " with Bochy and Young about his timeline. Says he is ready, but sounds like that is more wishful thinking on his part. I'd guess 2 weeks?!

Then we get to really have fun with decisions.
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12:38p, 3/25/25
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So with Dunning at AAA, is he still paid the salary on his contract? I would assume he does. But since he is off the 40, does that count towards the CBT number?

And if it doesn't count towards CBT while he's off the 40, would it be prorated if he were added back on?
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12:41p, 3/25/25
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Wow. Montgomery is having TJ. Arizona's owner is going to hate him even more.
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12:44p, 3/25/25
Just read Jordan Montgomery to TJ so I had scroll back
Danny Duberstein…. u nailed it!
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In reply to Flounder Dorfman • 12:51p, 3/25/25
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Flounder Dorfman said:
So with Dunning at AAA, is he still paid the salary on his contract? I would assume he does. But since he is off the 40, does that count towards the CBT number?

And if it doesn't count towards CBT while he's off the 40, would it be prorated if he were added back on?
He was placed on outright waivers, so no, I don't think so. I'm pretty sure that money comes off the books in regard to the CBT, which is probably one of the reasons why they did it. Could be that they had already agreed that if he wasn't claimed, they'd give him a minor league deal. Just guessing.
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In reply to DannyDuberstein • 12:54p, 3/25/25
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DannyDuberstein said:
I get the feeling there is another elbow surgery in his near future. Something isn't right


Everyone needs to pay attention to what this guy says from now on.
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In reply to rbtexan • 12:56p, 3/25/25
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rbtexan said:
Flounder Dorfman said:
So with Dunning at AAA, is he still paid the salary on his contract? I would assume he does. But since he is off the 40, does that count towards the CBT number?

And if it doesn't count towards CBT while he's off the 40, would it be prorated if he were added back on?
He was placed on outright waivers, so no, I don't think so. I'm pretty sure that money comes off the books in regard to the CBT, which is probably one of the reasons why they did it. Could be that they had already agreed that if he wasn't claimed, they'd give him a minor league deal. Just guessing.


So a player can sign a contract and if released is owed nothing? That's not very comforting. I think I would fake some elbow discomfort with my eye towards a 60 day stint to avoid that.
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In reply to Flounder Dorfman • 12:57p, 3/25/25
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Flounder Dorfman said:
rbtexan said:
Flounder Dorfman said:
So with Dunning at AAA, is he still paid the salary on his contract? I would assume he does. But since he is off the 40, does that count towards the CBT number?

And if it doesn't count towards CBT while he's off the 40, would it be prorated if he were added back on?
He was placed on outright waivers, so no, I don't think so. I'm pretty sure that money comes off the books in regard to the CBT, which is probably one of the reasons why they did it. Could be that they had already agreed that if he wasn't claimed, they'd give him a minor league deal. Just guessing.


So a player can sign a contract and if released is owed nothing? That's not very comforting. I think I would fake some elbow discomfort with my eye towards a 60 day stint to avoid that.


I could very well be wrong
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In reply to rbtexan • 12:58p, 3/25/25
I think the money counts.

If another team claimed him, they'd have taken the contract/money, but just like Abreu/Houston... they owe him his '25 $19.5M and it hits their '25 CBT.

The Rangers count the CBT money whether they kept him or not.

The hope, IMO, is he can rehabilitate his value that we can trade him to get rid of the money.

I could be wrong... but that is my take.
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In reply to Flounder Dorfman • 12:59p, 3/25/25
If that were the case Prince Fielder would nit have been carried on the 40 for all those years.
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In reply to rbtexan • 1:06p, 3/25/25
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rbtexan said:
Flounder Dorfman said:
rbtexan said:
Flounder Dorfman said:
So with Dunning at AAA, is he still paid the salary on his contract? I would assume he does. But since he is off the 40, does that count towards the CBT number?

And if it doesn't count towards CBT while he's off the 40, would it be prorated if he were added back on?
He was placed on outright waivers, so no, I don't think so. I'm pretty sure that money comes off the books in regard to the CBT, which is probably one of the reasons why they did it. Could be that they had already agreed that if he wasn't claimed, they'd give him a minor league deal. Just guessing.


So a player can sign a contract and if released is owed nothing? That's not very comforting. I think I would fake some elbow discomfort with my eye towards a 60 day stint to avoid that.


I could very well be wrong


Let me tell you something. And I mean this.

I have a much higher chance of being wrong than you. Once we get on the same page there, you and I will get along really well.
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1:07p, 3/25/25
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Dunning's CBT money counts. Only if he had been claimed off of waivers would there have been any reduction.

Newberg covers it somewhat here

My understanding of the Fielder situation was that he had to be on the roster in order for the Rangers to get some money from the insurance on his contract.
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In reply to Flounder Dorfman • 1:08p, 3/25/25
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Flounder Dorfman said:
rbtexan said:
Flounder Dorfman said:
rbtexan said:
Flounder Dorfman said:
So with Dunning at AAA, is he still paid the salary on his contract? I would assume he does. But since he is off the 40, does that count towards the CBT number?

And if it doesn't count towards CBT while he's off the 40, would it be prorated if he were added back on?
He was placed on outright waivers, so no, I don't think so. I'm pretty sure that money comes off the books in regard to the CBT, which is probably one of the reasons why they did it. Could be that they had already agreed that if he wasn't claimed, they'd give him a minor league deal. Just guessing.


So a player can sign a contract and if released is owed nothing? That's not very comforting. I think I would fake some elbow discomfort with my eye towards a 60 day stint to avoid that.


I could very well be wrong


Let me tell you something. And I mean this.

I have a much higher chance of being wrong than you. Once we get on the same page there, you and I will get along really well.


I thought we already did
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In reply to DallasAg 94 • 1:08p, 3/25/25
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DallasAg 94 said:
If that were the case Prince Fielder would nit have been carried on the 40 for all those years.


But there was no CBT during that time, right?

I think the players are owed their money either way, but how it affects the CBT number, I do not know at all.

And it could also be why every writer that covers the Rangers has such a wide range on their estimate of where the organization actually sits in regards to CBT.
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In reply to rbtexan • 1:09p, 3/25/25
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rbtexan said:
Flounder Dorfman said:
rbtexan said:
Flounder Dorfman said:
rbtexan said:
Flounder Dorfman said:
So with Dunning at AAA, is he still paid the salary on his contract? I would assume he does. But since he is off the 40, does that count towards the CBT number?

And if it doesn't count towards CBT while he's off the 40, would it be prorated if he were added back on?
He was placed on outright waivers, so no, I don't think so. I'm pretty sure that money comes off the books in regard to the CBT, which is probably one of the reasons why they did it. Could be that they had already agreed that if he wasn't claimed, they'd give him a minor league deal. Just guessing.


So a player can sign a contract and if released is owed nothing? That's not very comforting. I think I would fake some elbow discomfort with my eye towards a 60 day stint to avoid that.


I could very well be wrong


Let me tell you something. And I mean this.

I have a much higher chance of being wrong than you. Once we get on the same page there, you and I will get along really well.


I thought we already did


Good point!
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1:10p, 3/25/25
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Per Evan Grant:

"Other notable roster decisions include both Kumar Rocker and Jack Leiter making the Rangers' starting rotation"
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1:10p, 3/25/25
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If you are on an MLB contract, you are going to get paid the full amount. It is a guaranteed contract. If another team wants to pick him up on waivers before he clears, they have to accept that contract. If the Rangers want to keep him in the minor leagues after he clears waivers, it's the full amount. If the Rangers want to get rid of him altogether, it's the full amount.

It's different when you are a player that it still in the pre-arbitration years (generally the first three years of your time in the majors, what DallasAg often calls "serf"). Those guys get paid the MLB minimum per day that they are in the majors, but get paid a minor league salary when in the minor leagues.
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1:36p, 3/25/25
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I think Dunning is an even more in between. He's an arbitration player (usually years 3-6). Him getting slid through waivers means his money comes off the books.
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In reply to Flounder Dorfman • 1:55p, 3/25/25
Part of the reason is projections. Especially before the season.

When you add players... like moving a player to the 60IL opens a 40M slot. You add the guy to the roster it adds pro-rated Min. You may have a guy who is a NRI to ST...

COTS, IMO is one of 2 sources I use for CBT. It details the allocation and you can guess as well as any reporter.
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In reply to DallasAg 94 • 1:59p, 3/25/25
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True. I just think it's interesting how they all have access to that and still are all over the map on their estimates.

Intentionally confusing by MLB.
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2:47p, 3/25/25
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Pillar getting it done today. I wonder if there is any way he would start in center on Opening Day against the lefty.
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In reply to shack009 • 2:50p, 3/25/25
Probably likely at this point
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3:00p, 3/25/25
deGrom/ Rocker combo today. Took Rocker a minute to settle in but he got out of a 2 men on base jam by striking out 3 in a row.
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In reply to gigem1223 • 3:04p, 3/25/25
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gigem1223 said:
deGrom/ Rocker combo today. Took Rocker a minute to settle in but he got out of a 2 men on base jam by striking out 3 in a row.
I like that he has the two different curveballs. That 12-6 looks really enticing hitters then has too much break to adjust to. You could tell the final three hitters hated the changing of eye levels with all the pitches.
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3:16p, 3/25/25
Rocker is so nasty. If he can just gain a little more control of a few pitches he's going to be an elite TORP.

2 IP, 6Ks today
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3:16p, 3/25/25
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Struck out the side again lol.
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