***** Official Houston Astros 2025 Season Thread *****

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and Altuve...for all the ups and downs of the year...

he's provided 51 x-base hits and 54 walks in his age 35 season

I'll take that for his age 36 season too
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W said:

Walker up to 24 HR and 85 RBI

that should generate some interest across the league so Dana can deal him

might not have to chip in too much salary since Walker's next team would only be committing to 2 years

My old Ag friends and I agreed that Walker is "trying to pull a Sean Berry" here the last few days of the season by getting up to 25 HR and 90 RBI and pretending he had a good year.

30 years ago or, Berry had 10 RBI or something the last weekend of the regular season to finish with 95 and we all thought it was such BS lol.
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W said:

Walker up to 24 HR and 85 RBI

that should generate some interest across the league so Dana can deal him

might not have to chip in too much salary since Walker's next team would only be committing to 2 years

The way he hit NL pitching vs AL, he would be a steal for somebody in the NL.
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GOAT UPDATE 9-25-25



Jose Altuve had 2 more hits today to get to 155 for the season and 2,387 for his career. In doing so, he passed Ryne Sandberg to take over #129 on the all-time hit list. As just about everyone knows, Sandberg died 2 months ago of cancer at age 65.

As a huge Astro fan in the 80s, Sandberg was mostly the guy who kept Billy Doran from starting at least 2-3 All-Star games. Doran was like the Houston Oilers of the late 70s. Really, really good, but in the same league as an All-Time great.

Most people don't know that Sandberg was actually NOT a career Cub. He was drafted by the Phillies and played 13 games with them at the end of the 1981 season. He was a 20th round pick from North Central HS in Spokane, Washington, and most thought he'd go play college football. He was an All-American QB and had signed an LOI to Washington State. The Phillies signed him for $20,000.

In his first year in the minors - 1978 - one of his teammates was George Bell - who like Sandberg would win an MVP in the 80s. Since neither of them won that MVP for Philadelphia, the point can be made that the Phillies had no ****ing idea what they were doing in the 80s.

Sandberg played shortstop in the minors and was a monster from the start. He hit .311 as an 18-year-old, and in 1981 jumped from AA to the majors. But then the Phillies said, hey, you know that we need to get back to glory? Ivan De Jesus. Let's trade 35-year-old Larry Bowa and this Sandberg kid for him. That seems like a good idea."

De Jesus hit .239, .245, and .247 the next three years and forgot how to steal a base. Then they traded him to the Cardinals in 1985 with Bill Campbell for Dave Rucker. I know a **** ton about baseball history and I have never heard of either of those guys.

Meanwhile, ol' Ryno went to the Cubs and won a starting job as a 22-year in 1982. He played 3B, SS, and 2B in those first few years. He scored 103 runs as a rookie and stole 32 bases.

In 1984, the Cubs briefly stopped sucking ass and went 96-65 and Sandberg had one of the most legendary seasons of all time, and one of my favorite stat wise.

With an 8.5 WAR, he hit .314, led the league in runs scored (114), recorded 200 hits, had 74 extra-base hits with the unique pattern of 36 2B, 19 3B, and 19 HR, stole 32 bases, and drove in 84. He was 24 years old doing that. On June 23, the "Sandberg Game' took place. The Cubs trailed the Cardinals 7-1, 9-3, and 11-9 but Sandberg hit a home run to tie it i the 9th, and another to win it in the tenth. Willie McGee hit for the cycle in defeat. The game featured 23 runs, 27 hits, and Sandberg was 5 for 6 with 7 RBI.
The Cubs were favored over the Padres in the NLCS, and Sandberg hit .368 for the series, but, well, it's the Cubs. They lost in 5.

The rest of the 80s, he was a stat beast. In '85, he hit .305 with 26 HR, 83 RBI, and 54 steals. In '89, he hit 30 HR for the first time at age 29 and led the league in runs score. He also dragged the Cubs back to the playoffs. That team had 23 year old Greg Maddux, Wild Thing throwing 76 games, and ROY Jerome Walton, who then vanished off the face of the earth. In the NLCS, Sandberg hit .400 with a 1.258 OPS in 5 games, and they got destroyed 4-1 by the Giants. That was the year Kevin Mitchell set the all-time Giants record for steroids that was later broken by Barry Bonds.

Sandberg surprisingly announced 1994 would be his last year. He was hurt and the strike cut the season short. He sat out all of 1995, which I'm sorry to say is also the year he got divorced. And then remarried a month later. And she was neighbors with the Sandbergs, so, that's not great, but it happens.

Anyway, at some point, Ryno said - I gotta get the Fuq outta here and returned to the Cubs in 1996, making things super awkward for Rey Sanchez, who was the 1995 starting second baseman.

The 1996 Cubs featured pre-steroids Luis Gonzalez, steroid novice Sammy Sosa, and captain ****** bag himself, Scott Servais. I actually saw that team play the Astros 3 times at Wrigley in August 1996 when I quit my first job and took a 3 week road trip to avoid responsibilitiy.

Ryno hung around for 2 more years, finishing with 2,386 hits, 403 doubles, 282 HR, 344 SB, and a .285 BA.
He made 10 All-Star games, won 9 Gold Gloves, and 7 Silver Sluggers. In 2005, he and Wade Boggs made the HOF together.





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Walker is gonna end up being what he's been his entire career.

A streaky 25 HR 100 RBI hitter with a propensity for swing and miss.

His RBI and I imagine his XBH numbers will be down this year but not too far off from what he's been in the past.
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Ag_07 said:

Walker is gonna end up being what he's been his entire career.

A streaky 25 HR 100 RBI hitter with a propensity for swing and miss.

His RBI and I imagine his XBH numbers will be down this year but not too far off from what he's been in the past.


I think he kind of is what he is. Streaky and provides pop every once in awhile. His numbers and metrics this year seem slightly lower than his career averages. We were expecting he is a middle of the order guy you can build your lineup around, but his overall stats show he's more of a 6th or 7th guy in the batting order.
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and Correa (3B), Pena (SS), Altuve (2B), and Paredes (1B) is next year's starting infield

Walker does not play ahead of those four
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His home/road splits are massive and bad.

Home OPS .626
Road OPS .766

Home HR 8
Road HR 16

Home RBI 34
Road RBI 51

He a solid better than average 1B on the road. He's really bad at home. He needs to learn to hit at home. That means not hitting to the middle 1/3 of the park. He needs to learn to hit to the Crawford boxes. But that means a faster bat.
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W said:

and Correa (3B), Pena (SS), Altuve (2B), and Paredes (1B) is next year's starting infield

Walker does not play ahead of those four


All Dana has to do is find a suitcase of money to send him with.
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W said:

and Correa (3B), Pena (SS), Altuve (2B), and Paredes (1B) is next year's starting infield

Walker does not play ahead of those four

What about Dubon? He has to play every day so who's sitting?
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also...listening to Dana on 790 yesterday...

he's not ready to give up on Sanchez. Otherwise the Astros would go back to a very right-handed heavy lineup next season (with Caratini possibly leaving in free agency)

so Sanchez looks like the primary LF going into the offseason. Yordan at DH. Altuve at 2B
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Why would anyone give up on Sanchez?
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Wabs said:



Perfect scenario for the day: Astros win. BoSox win. Rangers win.
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Farmer1906 said:

Why would anyone give up on Sanchez?


I mean… his slash line for the month of September is .100/.211/.180 with an ops of .381

So if they did get rid of him they'd be justified. I'd keep him for next year… I'm just saying they'd have an excuse not to based on his final month being one of the worst offensive months we've seen in a while
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Let me try to simplify

If we go 3-0, we need 2 losses from CLE or DET or 3 losses from BOS

If we go 2-1, we need 3 losses from CLE or DET.

Remaining Schedule:
(3) Astros @ Angels
(3) Tigers @ Red Sox
(3) Rangers @ Guards

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tjack16 said:

Farmer1906 said:

Why would anyone give up on Sanchez?


I mean… his slash line for the month of September is .100/.211/.180 with an ops of .381

So if they did get rid of him they'd be justified. I'd keep him for next year… I'm just saying they'd have an excuse not to based on his final month being one of the worst offensive months we've seen in a while

One bad month means you should get rid of someone in arbitration and you should ignore the previous 1700 plate appearances.
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Farmer1906 said:

Let me try to simplify

If we go 3-0, we need 2 losses from CLE or DET or 3 losses from BOS

If we go 2-1, we need 3 losses from CLE or DET.

Remaining Schedule:
(3) Astros @ Angels
(1) Tigers @ Guards
(3) Tigers @ Red Sox
(3) Rangers @ Guards

We should be rooting for Cleveland. If they beat the Tigers, then DET/BOS series means DET will get a 2nd loss or BOS will get 3 losses.

Tigers and Guardians are done playing
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Farmer1906 said:

tjack16 said:

Farmer1906 said:

Why would anyone give up on Sanchez?


I mean… his slash line for the month of September is .100/.211/.180 with an ops of .381

So if they did get rid of him they'd be justified. I'd keep him for next year… I'm just saying they'd have an excuse not to based on his final month being one of the worst offensive months we've seen in a while

One bad month means you should get rid of someone in arbitration and you should ignore the previous 1700 plate appearances.


Yeah Sanchez still has value

I think it's far more likely that our hitting coaches just suck and turn everyone into ass when they get here.

His defensive liability is a big concern though.
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Farmer1906 said:

tjack16 said:

Farmer1906 said:

Why would anyone give up on Sanchez?


I mean… his slash line for the month of September is .100/.211/.180 with an ops of .381

So if they did get rid of him they'd be justified. I'd keep him for next year… I'm just saying they'd have an excuse not to based on his final month being one of the worst offensive months we've seen in a while

One bad month means you should get rid of someone in arbitration and you should ignore the previous 1700 plate appearances.


Let's don't sugar coat this. He's been brutally bad since coming over. .191/.267/.324. Take out that 5-5 game and he loses 40 points of BA and OBA. I didn't do the math but I'll bet he loses .20 maybe .25 off his SLG.

.151/.227/.300 would be unplayable.

He seems like a great guy and I live his enthusiasm and smile. It cracks me up how he's literally a clone of Soto at the plate.

But he's been a complete bust since coming over.

Let's hope the offseason gives him a hard reset. He's got the tools to be a very good addition. I would like to see a platoon of him and Smith in RF next season.
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Farmer1906 said:

tjack16 said:

Farmer1906 said:

Why would anyone give up on Sanchez?


I mean… his slash line for the month of September is .100/.211/.180 with an ops of .381

So if they did get rid of him they'd be justified. I'd keep him for next year… I'm just saying they'd have an excuse not to based on his final month being one of the worst offensive months we've seen in a while

One bad month means you should get rid of someone in arbitration and you should ignore the previous 1700 plate appearances.


Notice I said I would keep him.

I think it's different if it's a new acquisition that you think you could get value for rather than somebody who has been with your organization for a long time that cost you a lot. They could choose to view him as a rental and get some prospects for him
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tjack16 said:

Farmer1906 said:

Why would anyone give up on Sanchez?


I mean… his slash line for the month of September is .100/.211/.180 with an ops of .381

So if they did get rid of him they'd be justified. I'd keep him for next year… I'm just saying they'd have an excuse not to based on his final month being one of the worst offensive months we've seen in a while

If one really bad month makes you worthy of being released, well over half the players in the league would be looking for a new team by the ASB.

Baseball is very hard and this stuff happens.
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TRM said:

Farmer1906 said:

Let me try to simplify

If we go 3-0, we need 2 losses from CLE or DET or 3 losses from BOS

If we go 2-1, we need 3 losses from CLE or DET.

Remaining Schedule:
(3) Astros @ Angels
(1) Tigers @ Guards
(3) Tigers @ Red Sox
(3) Rangers @ Guards

We should be rooting for Cleveland. If they beat the Tigers, then DET/BOS series means DET will get a 2nd loss or BOS will get 3 losses.

Tigers and Guardians are done playing

Oh why did I think they still played. my bad.
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texasaggie2015 said:

tjack16 said:

Farmer1906 said:

Why would anyone give up on Sanchez?


I mean… his slash line for the month of September is .100/.211/.180 with an ops of .381

So if they did get rid of him they'd be justified. I'd keep him for next year… I'm just saying they'd have an excuse not to based on his final month being one of the worst offensive months we've seen in a while

If one really bad month makes you worthy of being released, well over half the players in the league would be looking for a new team by the ASB.

Baseball is very hard and this stuff happens.


So if a team offers you two decent prospects or a decent arm for him you'd say no?

Also notice again I said I'd keep him.
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Get rid of doesn't imply trading for a good return.
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Need the Sox to sweep Detroit. Rangers are horrible and won't win a damn game against Cleveland.
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Arizona's park is a MUCH more double and triple friendly ballpark. If you aren't taking advantage of the Crawford Boxes at home, your XBHs will be limited.

I still contend that Walker would have put up better numbers if not being put into the role of primary run producer. Plug him into a lineup with 2024 Yordan and Yanier and it's a much better fit. 2025 Yanier and missing Yordan for most of the season was a huge blow to the offense.
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iBrad said:

Arizona's park is a MUCH more double and triple friendly ballpark. If you aren't taking advantage of the Crawford Boxes at home, your XBHs will be limited.

I still contend that Walker would have put up better numbers if not being put into the role of primary run producer. Plug him into a lineup with 2024 Yordan and Yanier and it's a much better fit. 2025 Yanier and missing Yordan for most of the season was a huge blow to the offense.

Yes. He is a #6 hitter.
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texasaggie2015 said:

Get rid of doesn't imply trading for a good return.


I meant it as him not being back. I'd assume since he's under team control it would be a trade and you'd get a decent return.
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esd19 said:

this is unfun


Yesterday was fun. The unfun is coming.
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Yep - it's important to remember that the role Walker had to play for a majority of this year wasn't the role the Astros had in mind for him when they signed him.
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I hadn't realized quite how bad Sanchez has been since the trade. He's been a poor man's Dubon with the bat and glove.

.590 OPS and 63 OPS+ in 150 PAs with the Astros.
Dubon has a .659 OPS and 82 OPS+.

https://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/HOU/2025.shtml

Walker up to 0 bWAR. It will be interesting to see if he finishes the season in negative wins above replacement territory or can stay above water. He's .1 bWAR ahead of first season Abreu.
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how does war work? walker has basically the same offensive stats as last year, when he had 2.6 war
https://ts.la/eric59704
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07ag said:

how does war work? walker has basically the same offensive stats as last year, when he had 2.6 war

It's a proprietary algorithm meant to capture a player's value above replacement level players.
Fangraphs and Baseball Reference are the primary measures people use for WAR, although ESPN has tried to get its version in there too.

Here's Baseball Reference's description:
https://www.baseball-reference.com/about/war_explained.shtml
Quote:

. . . The idea behind the WAR framework is that we want to know how much better a player is than a player that would typically be available to replace that player. We start by comparing the player to average in a variety of venues, then compare our theoretical replacement player to the average player and add the two results together.

There is no one way to determine WAR. There are hundreds of steps to make this calculation, and dozens of places where reasonable people can disagree on the best way to implement a particular part of the framework. We have taken the utmost care and study at each step in the process, and believe all of our choices are well reasoned and defensible. . . .

So WAR is looking at everything (glove, baserunning, range, etc.), not just his bat.

His stats aren't as good as last season though, when he had a .803 OPS and 120 OPS+ compared to this season's .701 OPS and 93 OPS+.

So he's dropped from a pretty good bat to a below average one.
Last season his percentages were 4.7% HR (homerun), 24.1% SO (strikeout), and 10% BB (walk).
This season those numbers were all much worse: 3.8% HR, 28% SO, and 6.3% BB.

https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/w/walkech02.shtml
He's had a sharp drop off with his glove too.
Last season he had a .1 dWAR (defensive WAR) and 4 DRS (defensive runs saved).
This season he has a -1.4 dWAR and -5 DRS.

He's been worse in almost every way compared to his 6 year run as as starter in Arizona. We just have to hope that it's a blip due to injury, pressing, etc., and not an Abreu like downturn since we're on the hook for 2 more years.
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F Framber man

Takes the second half of the season off and contributes significantly to losing the division and then decides to get it together when the Astros are on the outside looking in for the last playoff spot

The Astros cannot run that guy off soon enough
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