sburg2007 said:

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What kind of sick joke Mr gigem throwing my way?

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ha, I got one of those as well today. <<Delete>>

I got two of those today. I don't know what that means.

Mr Gigem said:

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Major changes coming this offseason. Hope you dont have your favorite Rangers players jersey unless their name is Seager or Eovaldi

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I know it's the minority opinion and borderline sacrilege, but I'd trade Seager in 2 seconds flat if we could find a willing partner.

My reasoning is that he is a textbook example of an injury prone player - we'll never be able to count on him playing a full season, probably unlikely he'll ever hit 145-150 games. That being said, he's one of the few players under contract we could trade and actually get a decent return. Somebody would risk the injury issues. And lastly, for being the team's "star" player, he's absolutely worthless as either a leader or as an example to younger players.

If he was willing to be a full time DH, or switch positions to a less demanding spot like 1B/maybe 3B, then my opinion would be different. I don't think he's willing to do that, at least not for the Rangers.

Totally my opinion. I just think it's a lot of money on the books for a guy who can't stay healthy.

rbtexan said:

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Mr Gigem said:

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Major changes coming this offseason. Hope you dont have your favorite Rangers players jersey unless their name is Seager or Eovaldi

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I know it's the minority opinion and borderline sacrilege, but I'd trade Seager in 2 seconds flat if we could find a willing partner.

My reasoning is that he is a textbook example of an injury prone player - we'll never be able to count on him playing a full season, probably unlikely he'll ever hit 145-150 games. That being said, he's one of the few players under contract we could trade and actually get a decent return. Somebody would risk the injury issues. And lastly, for being the team's "star" player, he's absolutely worthless as either a leader or as an example to younger players.

If he was willing to be a full time DH, or switch positions to a less demanding spot like 1B/maybe 3B, then my opinion would be different. I don't think he's willing to do that, at least not for the Rangers.

Totally my opinion. I just think it's a lot of money on the books for a guy who can't stay healthy.

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Interesting take for sure. I would like to see Seager move to 1B. Not sure if he is willing to or not. He's a solid SS, but 1B would be less wear and tear on the body one would think.

You'd think so but is first base a good spot for a guy with fragile hamstrings.

I like Seager the player, but I do agree he's next to useless in the clubhouse and as a leader, and that stuff matters. You've got 162 freaking games, and you MUST have guys that are good personalities and team players to get through that gauntlet, and he's not one of them imo. DeGrom is right there as well.

Might be tough signing free agents in the future if we are looking to dump guys like Seager and deGrom.

How so

rbtexan said:

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How so

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Players tend to shy away from signing when teams tend to dump players.

Tough to have a conversation if you don't know understand the difference between a NY and TX market.

Whoops. Wrong board hahah.

_lefraud_ said:

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Tough to have a conversation if you don't know understand the difference between a NY and TX market.

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I completely understand the difference. I could've mentioned any number of teams - the Nationals, the Padres - it's equally hard to have a conversation when you choose to be a snarky jackass

We're having fun here, no? It's sports y'all.

_lefraud_ said:

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Tough to have a conversation if you don't know understand the difference between a NY and TX market.

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This isn't the NFL. Contracts are guaranteed. This is a business and players understand that.

There is no dumping deGrom. We just need to trade him. Plenty of contenders would be interested. It's not like we're only going to talk to Colorado or Florida. It will be up to CY to figure out assets etc.

This club has a reputation of doing right by its as well.

Seager put up 5.9 WAR even missing all this time. Yes he's expensive, but he performs.

Seager isn't the issue here, it's the 18 million to Joc, 12 million to Bombi, 27 million to Semien and 5 million to Heim for them to be 4 of the worst regulars in baseball this year.

We also ended up cutting Leody and getting replacement level play in CF and Jung gave us barely better than replacement level at 3rd.

Pretty much everyone outside of Seager and Langford and Smith was worthless on offense this year.

The sad problem is that we do not have prospects on the way that are going to fix this issue (Walcott is our only stud hitting prospect and he's still really raw) and with the money tied up in guys like Joc and Semien for next year it's unlikely we have the cash to pull in someone like Schwarber to give us that elite DH bat+clubhouse presence.

Unbelievable. This clubhouse is full of sorry fucking losers no wonder you guys look dead out on the field can’t even build chemistry outside the field you have to be kidding me. pic.twitter.com/2Tt85F88Ap

— TXRangersUpdates (79-74) (@TXRUpdates) September 19, 2025

This is starting to make the rounds. Pillar was right.

Because I like advanced stats, the Rangers only had TWO guys in the top 170 of baseball savant's batting value rankings. Seager at 31 and Langford at 68. Everyone else was 170 or below for the year.

I'm not the best at math, but each team should have about 6 guys in the top 170 and we had 2. This offense was beyond anemic this year.

Dodgers had 10 guys in the top 170
Yankees had 9
Brewers had 9
Phillies had 7
Reds had 7
Braves had 6
Cubs had 7
Blue Jays had 6

etc.

We just did not have a playoff level offense and it cost us the 6-7 extra wins we need just to make it in the playoffs.

CampingAg said:

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Unbelievable. This clubhouse is full of sorry fucking losers no wonder you guys look dead out on the field can’t even build chemistry outside the field you have to be kidding me. pic.twitter.com/2Tt85F88Ap

— TXRangersUpdates (79-74) (@TXRUpdates) September 19, 2025

This is starting to make the rounds. Pillar was right.

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This is talking heads talking.

A bunch of guys getting together to watch baseball on a Saturday afternoon isn't the reason our offense sucked - nor is the reason it won a title in 2023.

The 2011 Red Sox had a great clubhouse and that's why they were winning -- fried chicken and video games!

The 2011 Red Sox had a bad clubhouse and that's why they choked down the stretch -- fried chicken and video games!

Deer and antlers -- there was something special about that 2010/2011 Rangers clubs and they had "it" and just seemed destined to win it all... until they didn't.

2023 the team absolutely stagnated down the stretch, and wound up having to go on the road to start the playoffs... and won it all.

Culture is something that people only reference after the fact to fill airspace.

Proposition Joe said:

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CampingAg said:

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Unbelievable. This clubhouse is full of sorry fucking losers no wonder you guys look dead out on the field can’t even build chemistry outside the field you have to be kidding me. pic.twitter.com/2Tt85F88Ap

— TXRangersUpdates (79-74) (@TXRUpdates) September 19, 2025

This is starting to make the rounds. Pillar was right.

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This is talking heads talking.

A bunch of guys getting together to watch baseball on a Saturday afternoon isn't the reason our offense sucked - nor is the reason it won a title in 2023.

The 2011 Red Sox had a great clubhouse and that's why they were winning -- fried chicken and video games!

The 2011 Red Sox had a bad clubhouse and that's why they choked down the stretch -- fried chicken and video games!

Deer and antlers -- there was something special about that 2010/2011 Rangers clubs and they had "it" and just seemed destined to win it all... until they didn't.

2023 the team absolutely stagnated down the stretch, and wound up having to go on the road to start the playoffs... and won it all.

Culture is something that people only reference after the fact to fill airspace.

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Yes and no. These are grown men. To expect them to do that every road game? Absurd. To get together for one cool outing on a road trip? Or every other road trip? Yep, that should happen.

I assume most of us have worked for different employers in our career. Some had great cultures, some OK, some not so great. Culture DOES affect your daily performance and the energy you bring each day and to whatever project team you are on. Some can still perform well individually within a weak overall culture; others are wired differently.

I really think people are just searching for an answer to the question - - what the hell happened to this team?

It was a collective failure by the players, coaching staff, and front office. CY needs to turn therapist and figure it out over the winter.

Not sure who the guy the left is, but is he saying he has talked directly with Marcus Semien and Semien has shared this information with him? I HIGHLY doubt that. Which leads me to question where he's getting this information

The Pillar comments from a while back are probably not untrue. But maybe his personality also just didn't fit in with the clubhouse. Both those things can be true.

To say they don't do things together is simply not true. I tried to go to a place in Trophy Club a couple months ago and couldn't get in because the players had rented the place out.

This team was projected to win 85-93 games.

It's probably going to wind up at 82-83, with injuries to Seager, Semien, Eovaldi, etc, etc...

I think because we made it interesting you guys forget that we ran out:

Osuna for 123 AB
Freeman for 85 AB
Hellman for 70 AB
Harris for 40 AB

Those are replacement level or below bats... and they kept us in it until the last week of the season.

This is a team that, if healthy, wins 88-90 games. Not some epic clubhouse cancer collapse. People just need to find a reason for why the stats didn't stat. Sometimes over 162 games, they don't.

Proposition Joe said:

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CampingAg said:

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Unbelievable. This clubhouse is full of sorry fucking losers no wonder you guys look dead out on the field can’t even build chemistry outside the field you have to be kidding me. pic.twitter.com/2Tt85F88Ap

— TXRangersUpdates (79-74) (@TXRUpdates) September 19, 2025

This is starting to make the rounds. Pillar was right.

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This is talking heads talking.

A bunch of guys getting together to watch baseball on a Saturday afternoon isn't the reason our offense sucked - nor is the reason it won a title in 2023.

The 2011 Red Sox had a great clubhouse and that's why they were winning -- fried chicken and video games!

The 2011 Red Sox had a bad clubhouse and that's why they choked down the stretch -- fried chicken and video games!

Deer and antlers -- there was something special about that 2010/2011 Rangers clubs and they had "it" and just seemed destined to win it all... until they didn't.

2023 the team absolutely stagnated down the stretch, and wound up having to go on the road to start the playoffs... and won it all.

Culture is something that people only reference after the fact to fill airspace.

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Those are fair points, but Pillar's comments plus the comments on this podcast give a good glimpse into why this team never felt cohesive. It felt so disconnected.

Now you could ask why that would affect the bats but not the pitchers. I don't know. We'll never know. But anyone who has watched this team for an extended period of time can see something was very off this year. For lack of a better term, boring.

Again I think as fans we really want to have these teams have this "culture" because it makes it more fun for us.

But it's not necessary to win a title. Reference 2023. That team had the personality of a wet sock.

Winning is fun. When the team is winning, the clubhouse is going to be fun and loose.

Losing is not fun. When the team is losing, the clubhouse is going to suck.

Going out to Chili's after the game as a team isn't going to change that.

I think the point is to win consistently, you have to do it as a team instead of individuals chasing stats. Bochy mentioned in a postgame press conference in a rare critical remark that they have too many players not giving "team first" at bats. To me, Jonah Heim and Adolis Garcia are poster boys for that type of player.

Every team has that, but winning teams have someone that can pull guys together to get them rowing in the same direction. The 2025 version did not have that and was one of the biggest reasons CY signed Joc Pederson. He wanted Joc to be that guy and he said so in his comments about the signing.

As for why the pitching staff could come together and the offense couldn't, I view baseball teams as actually two teams working together towards a common goal. There are the pitchers on one side of the field doing their thing and the position players on the other side doing theirs. The pitching staff had Eovaldi. The offense had…? It's the same with football teams with offensive players and defensive players. Each side needs their own leaders.

Sheesh that was longer than I intended.

Mr Gigem said:

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Not sure who the guy the left is, but is he saying he has talked directly with Marcus Semien and Semien has shared this information with him? I HIGHLY doubt that. Which leads me to question where he's getting this information

The Pillar comments from a while back are probably not untrue. But maybe his personality also just didn't fit in with the clubhouse. Both those things can be true.

To say they don't do things together is simply not true. I tried to go to a place in Trophy Club a couple months ago and couldn't get in because the players had rented the place out.

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The guy on the left is Jeff Wilson, he's a beat writer and speaks to the players on the regular.

I think this is very old man yells at clouds. I listen to the Baseball Bar B Cast 3x a week. Those are younger guys that are very plugged into todays players. Even they complain about how most clubhouses now a days are just 26 guys looking at their phones. I don't think this is a Rangers thing. I do think intensity/accountability is lacking. I said it before, but that's not Seager, Semien, or DeGrom's thing. Joc was supposed to be that guy, but it's hard when you are hurt and hitting .175.

CowtownAg06 said:

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I think this is very old man yells at clouds. I listen to the Baseball Bar B Cast 3x a week. Those are younger guys that are very plugged into todays players. Even they complain about how most clubhouses now a days are just 26 guys looking at their phones. I don't think this is a Rangers thing. I do think intensity/accountability is lacking. I said it before, but that's not Seager, Semien, or DeGrom's thing. Joc was supposed to be that guy, but it's hard when you are hurt and hitting .175.

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This.

Garcia was no more "team first" in 2023.

Semien was no less "team first" in 2025.

Heim didn't decide to be "team first" in 2023 but then selfish every other year. He's just not a good player.

Clubhouse culture is a thing, but it's impact is wholly over-stated... But Jeff Wilson and John Rhadigan and the beat writers can't fill airtime talking about just stats, there needs to constantly be narrative.

Now, if this team was healthy and rolled out a 70 win season then maybe you could point to some kind of deeper issue... But it was a projected 88-90ish win team that will still win 83.

Seager got hurt, Eovaldi got hurt, and Joc Pederson **** the bed. That's your difference.

Well the manager used "team first at bats" in his post game comments. His words.

Garcia and Heim are the same players they were in 2023, but yes, the injuries shine a light on their deficiencies. I think the injuries and slow start made the younger talent press and the thing spiraled out of control. Then the replacements came in and were just happy to be there and played loose and had fun and wins started happening.

Whatever the case, I want to see this team changed up in the offseason. So sick of watching an offense not be able to get a runner in from third base with less than two outs and chasing pitches two feet out of the zone while watching fastballs right down the middle.