30 yr mortgages in the 2s!

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SteveBott said:

Sigh....
That is wholesale to brokers not retail. We have been through this.
You're telling half the story and you know it.

UWM is not the only wholesaler of mortgages. They are trying to increase their portfolio size with low risk mortgages. They have a network of retailers (like you) that find a way to package and markup their mortgage vehicles into what consumer's can buy. Wholesaler doesn't care what retail games you play as long as its them whose underwriting the mortgage.

By going public with their announcements, their play is to drive homeowners to UWM backed retailers. Their website says as much. Customer's now know what your costs are and know its a commodity product between retailers. So customers can now demand lower interest rates and now go shop around.

If UWM doesn't make these announcements, retailers just pocket the difference, UWM doesn't increase their portfolio size and everyone is none the wiser.


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No I'm not. I told the the truth. Abbreviated since we went all through this in the thread at least once. UM sells wholesale to me and I sell money retail. Simple and done in many industries.
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yes 1.875 is available with UWM and other options as well. but you do have to pay a significant buy down to get there, but it is doable.
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Stive said:

Title insurance once had a place. I'm not sure it does anymore. The amount of title claims that hit each year is TINY.

With the modern electronic world in which we live, I think a new model will arise in the not so distant future and adjust how that arena plays the game.
I know I'm in the minority, but I've made 3 title insurance claims in my house buying life of 13 years.
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yeah, if I remember you situation correctly, it's pretty darn rare
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chuckd said:

Stive said:

Title insurance once had a place. I'm not sure it does anymore. The amount of title claims that hit each year is TINY.

With the modern electronic world in which we live, I think a new model will arise in the not so distant future and adjust how that arena plays the game.
I know I'm in the minority, but I've made 3 title insurance claims in my house buying life of 13 years.

That's incredible. I've heard of less than 4-5 total in our area and our family owned a decently busy title and abstract company for almost 20 years.
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chuckd said:

Stive said:

Title insurance once had a place. I'm not sure it does anymore. The amount of title claims that hit each year is TINY.

With the modern electronic world in which we live, I think a new model will arise in the not so distant future and adjust how that arena plays the game.
I know I'm in the minority, but I've made 3 title insurance claims in my house buying life of 13 years.
Chukd, you've got some story to tell. Because that isn't normal in the slightest.

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one MEEN Ag said:

chuckd said:

Stive said:

Title insurance once had a place. I'm not sure it does anymore. The amount of title claims that hit each year is TINY.

With the modern electronic world in which we live, I think a new model will arise in the not so distant future and adjust how that arena plays the game.
I know I'm in the minority, but I've made 3 title insurance claims in my house buying life of 13 years.
Chukd, you've got some story to tell. Because that isn't normal in the slightest.


The first was for the first house I ever bought in 2007. I tried to sell in 2010 and the buyer's title company discovered 3 city of Houston easements not on my Schedule B, one of which was for a 10' wide storm water sewer pipe (you could drive a car through it) that ran directly under the house. The easement itself was 20' wide. This was a 5000 sq ft lot so it encumbered most of the lot and almost all of the house structure. The sale fell through and I made a claim with my title company which paid out 75% of the policy and I've rented it out ever since. Interestingly, I've since had the city revert 2 of the easements that were inactive and the third (the storm sewer) has language in the easement that says the owner has the right of construction over the easement. So I may be able to sell that after all.

The second was for a 6 acre property north of Austin we bought and lived in for a year before we decided to move back to Houston. We determined we would make more money and it would be easier to sell by subdividing and selling 3 acres with the house and 3 acres with raw land. The property backed up to a dam and the entity that controlled the dam would not allow the subdivision. Essentially the raw land portion I was going to sell was part of their auxiliary spillway and they would not allow any development on it. I said that's great, but it's my property and I can do what I want. They pulled out an easement not on my Schedule B and so I made a claim with my title insurance. They acknowledged the claim, but it took some back and forth on the damages. We ended up in mediation and got another sizable payout. Though it ended up being a pain selling the full 6 acres which is why I wanted to subdivide in the first place.

The third was for a rental property I purchased in Pasadena. It backed up to Vince Bayou. About a year after renting it out, the tenant asks if they can extend the backyard fence out further to have a bigger backyard - there's about 50 ft between the existing fence and the bayou. I look down the bayou and notice all the fences are generally in the same location relative to the bayou so I said that the Flood Control District probably determines where the fences go. But I pull out my survey and said I don't see any sort of easement so I don't see why not. I call up the Flood Control District and they did have an easement not on my Schedule B. Made a claim and got a nice little payout.

In all 3 cases, the title company missed recorded easements. The process for all 3 was the same. They essentially got an appraisal that determined the value of the property with and without the easements and they paid out the difference.
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Nice! Crazy.....but nice!
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You are a pink unicorn. Congrats. 99% of suburban RE never will make one claim much less then three
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+1 for Tom Sawyer. Thanks for the rec.

Got me 2.625 on a 30y re-fi. 2.5 weeks from start to finish. Super easy process. $3,500 closing cost.
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A little background on some of the ultra low rates in the news.

https://www.housingwire.com/articles/uwm-1-99-30-year-mortgage-rate-comes-with-a-catch
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As the article points out, these super low rates are simple available on the rate sheet but for the average borrower it will cost a tone to get them. I have priced out several sub 2% on a 30 year fixed with UWM and it cost a ton. If you are damn sure you will be in the house for 15+ plus years in can still make sense but really you need to look at the "best execution" rate for your particular scenario. That simply means the best combination of rates/costs. Borrowers often understandably get caught up in the rate but that is just a piece of the pie.

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Working with a refi broker and rates hit some snags in last 24hrs. Not sure what's up. Maybe missed the bottom.
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FHFA implementing new price adjustment of 0.5% of loan value on all refis after 9/1

http://www.mortgagenewsdaily.com/consumer_rates/951943.aspx
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Rates probably rose today...

10-year Treasury yield nears 0.75% after Fed says it will aim for 2% average inflation

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/treasury-yields-hold-steady-before-fed-policy-review-2020-08-27
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Another recommendation for Tom Sawyer thanks to this board!

I closed on a 30 year at 2.625% with no points. Closing costs were right at $4k.
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What's the best rate folks are seeing on a "no cost" 30yr refi?
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Running with the Bulls said:

Another recommendation for Tom Sawyer thanks to this board!

I closed on a 30 year at 2.625% with no points. Closing costs were right at $4k.
whoa that's the lowest I've seen. What % did you put down? I'm going to talk with my local credit union in a few days to lock a rate in. They are looking to do 5% down and waive any PMI, but not sure of what rate I'll get even with 820 credit score until I go through with everything.

On a totally unrelated note, I'm going to hunt down Tom Sawyer's information...

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Mine was a refinance.
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That's impressive. Anyone have his contact info handy?
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Modern Mortgage

Tom Sawyer
Sr. Mortgage Banker

Tel:(512) 291-5266
Cell:(512) 804-8165
Tom@modernmortgage.com
11420 FM 2244
Austin, TX 78738
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My prediction is that nobody replicates that deal
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Actually i have two in the pipeline from around 3 weeks ago. Right before FHFA popped the market with a half point fee overnight. I giggle when someone says they got "this rate closed today" when that deal expired the day you locked it. The market moves daily and 2.625 train is long down the road.
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Tom quoted me a 25 yr new mortgage for 2.5% on 8/10.
On 8/8 he quoted a 20 yr new mortgage at 2.5% and a 15 yr at 2.25%

Has anyone gotten any locks/quotes in the past week on new mortgages?
Just curious of the rate movement -- I don't want to bug Tom again for a while :-)


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2nd home, locked 2.75 30 year about 3 weeks ago with 20% down. Lender origination fee was about .375 equivalent points higher than competitors, but rate was the best I could find.
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Second homes get basically the same rate as primary with some small variations in qualification and credit score. But very little difference
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SteveBott said:

Second homes get basically the same rate as primary with some small variations in qualification and credit score. But very little difference
Also, credit scores don't matter much either, as long as it's over 740. Mine is kind of low because I only have one credit card. I put everything on it and pay it off every month, so my average daily balance is too high. Whatever. Anyway, if you think your 840 is worth something, it's not.
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Per Fannie 740 is all you need BUT, hate that word, the end buyer of the loan may want "investor overlays" ie more then Fannie. You never see them and I have to play search and find game for these.
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Just locked in at 2.825% on a 30yr new build. ~4.5k in closing closts. Very happy with that.
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This hasn't been bumped in a while. I am looking at adding detached garage/shop at my house so we are looking at refinancing our home. How are rates?
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I own a duplex I paid cash for 6 months ago (had to move quick). I was told the title needed to season for 6 months in TX before I could finance or refi as they say. That day is here, and I'm looking for about 60% LTV to leave plenty of buffer. Any experience or advice on how to go about it, or who to contact? I realize rates are probably in the 4s for an investment duplex (even if I take full recourse and with the lower LTV?) Thanks.
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The six month rule is for Appraisel. Before 6 months no Appraisel and go off sales price. After 6 months Appraisel is required and sales price ignored. Folks waiting 6 months do that to capture upgrades and improvements to get a higher value.

Would like to speak with you and quote. My contact info is in my profile. 17 years experience
 
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