Buying physical gold/silver

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$30,000 Millionaire said:

Trying to decide if I should let go of some silver. Have a lot.

I've been taking profits since $42. Little by little. If you haven't yet, I would sell something. We're up over 2x in one year. Go name me how many times in history that's happened and what came next.
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Yep. I've accumulated a lot over a lot of years. I'm thinking of selling half.
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Lots of eagles bought mid 20s
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$30,000 Millionaire said:

Lots of eagles bought mid 20s

I was talking paper silver. I buy physical with funds I consider sunk for lifetime hold. Will pass to children.
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Paper silver I don't really trade. GLD yes
Heineken-Ashi
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It's the age old conundrum. Everyone, even the most bullish, know what's happening is rare and is essentially a squeeze of historically epic proportions. At what point is chasing a top not worth risking missing it? The majority will hold as it moves back down, hoping for one more push up that won't be anywhere as steep and sudden as this one even if it does happen.

The money was made from $15-$30, then $30-$40, and then $40-60. Those that missed it and are jumping in now, they are the usual chasers. They will end up the bag holders and exit liquidity. Just a matter of when, not if.

I still think there's more room to go. But I don't think it looks anything like the last couple of months. Probably a big selloff sometimes soonish followed by an overlapping choppy mess back up that shakes people out at every turn.
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Heineken-Ashi said:

It's the age old conundrum. Everyone, even the most bullish, know what's happening is rare and is essentially a squeeze of historically epic proportions. At what point is chasing a top not worth risking missing it? The majority will hold as it moves back down, hoping for one more push up that won't be anywhere as steep and sudden as this one even if it does happen.

The money was made from $15-$30, then $30-$40, and then $40-60. Those that missed it and are jumping in now, they are the usual chasers. They will end up the bag holders and exit liquidity. Just a matter of when, not if.

I still think there's more room to go. But I don't think it looks anything like the last couple of months. Probably a big selloff sometimes soonish followed by an overlapping choppy mess back up that shakes people out at every turn.

Supply, demand, math, and physics can only be held back before a very hard truth surfaces. If I were in Trump's ear, I'd tell him to put a leash on the EPA and start handing out silver mining permits effective immediately. Otherwise, we're going to see silver explode north of $150 p/toz. by second quarter of 2026.
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TTUArmy said:

Heineken-Ashi said:

It's the age old conundrum. Everyone, even the most bullish, know what's happening is rare and is essentially a squeeze of historically epic proportions. At what point is chasing a top not worth risking missing it? The majority will hold as it moves back down, hoping for one more push up that won't be anywhere as steep and sudden as this one even if it does happen.

The money was made from $15-$30, then $30-$40, and then $40-60. Those that missed it and are jumping in now, they are the usual chasers. They will end up the bag holders and exit liquidity. Just a matter of when, not if.

I still think there's more room to go. But I don't think it looks anything like the last couple of months. Probably a big selloff sometimes soonish followed by an overlapping choppy mess back up that shakes people out at every turn.

Supply, demand, math, and physics can only be held back before a very hard truth surfaces. If I were in Trump's ear, I'd tell him to put a leash on the EPA and start handing out silver mining permits effective immediately. Otherwise, we're going to see silver explode north of $150 p/toz. by second quarter of 2026.

How are you coming up with that?

I could see it if there was a multi-year shortage or a large government tries to corner the market, but I think above $90 would be difficult in the next 6 months. Lower oil prices can somewhat curb solar and EV purchases. AI purchases of course are an issue.
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$150/oz is a conservative percentage increase forecast based on long term breakouts in other commodities … lead, copper, ,
Etc.

Michael Oliver on YouTube has videos with the simplest explanation and comparisons in other multi decade bullish breakouts.

The best thing about differing opinions is they make markets

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I'd love for it to be true but how are moves in lead/copper relevant for silver? Very different risk profiles.
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Oliver's analysis isn't fundamental, it looks at other commodities that had decades-long basing formations and then experienced breakouts, like Silver. We'll see if he's correct, should know by end of 2Q2026


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jagvocate said:

Oliver's analysis isn't fundamental, it looks at other commodities that had decades-long basing formations and then experienced breakouts, like Silver. We'll see if he's correct, should know by end of 2Q2026



Silver doesn't act like a standard commodity. It has sentiment more similar to currencies. You see these types of moves during major currency upheaval.

Just look at the chart with DXY and Silver overlayed. Since the 70's (when we left the gold standard, and especially since 2000 when money printing and inflating the debt became the standard), they have been almost perfectly inverse. When silver tops, the dollar bottoms. And like I've said before, what's happening now has only happened a handful of times in anyone's lifetime.

This silver pattern from 2022 - present is now almost perfectly matching 2008-2011. If so, a top can happen anytime. The first drop will have nobody convinced of a top.

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$30,000 Millionaire said:

TTUArmy said:

Heineken-Ashi said:

It's the age old conundrum. Everyone, even the most bullish, know what's happening is rare and is essentially a squeeze of historically epic proportions. At what point is chasing a top not worth risking missing it? The majority will hold as it moves back down, hoping for one more push up that won't be anywhere as steep and sudden as this one even if it does happen.

The money was made from $15-$30, then $30-$40, and then $40-60. Those that missed it and are jumping in now, they are the usual chasers. They will end up the bag holders and exit liquidity. Just a matter of when, not if.

I still think there's more room to go. But I don't think it looks anything like the last couple of months. Probably a big selloff sometimes soonish followed by an overlapping choppy mess back up that shakes people out at every turn.

Supply, demand, math, and physics can only be held back before a very hard truth surfaces. If I were in Trump's ear, I'd tell him to put a leash on the EPA and start handing out silver mining permits effective immediately. Otherwise, we're going to see silver explode north of $150 p/toz. by second quarter of 2026.

How are you coming up with that?

I could see it if there was a multi-year shortage or a large government tries to corner the market, but I think above $90 would be difficult in the next 6 months. Lower oil prices can somewhat curb solar and EV purchases. AI purchases of course are an issue.

Some AI answers...

Prompt: How much physical silver is allocated in the COMEX?
Quote:

Currently, registered silver inventory at COMEX fluctuates between 150-250 million ounces, with recent reports indicating a significant depletion, leading to a ratio of about 28 paper claims for each physical ounce of registered silver. This indicates a tight market with limited immediate supply available for contract fulfillment.

Prompt: How much physical silver is unallocated in the COMEX?
Quote:

Currently, the COMEX has about 155 million ounces of unallocated silver available for immediate settlement, which is considered critically low compared to annual demand. This amount is only enough to cover approximately six weeks of global silver demand.

Prompt: How much silver is currently "mined" globally?
Quote:

Annual production is currently estimated at around 917 million ounces. This figure can vary based on demand and mining practices.

Prompt: How much silver is currently "consumed" globally?
Quote:

Currently, global silver consumption is approximately 1.2 billion ounces annually, with industrial applications accounting for about 59% of this demand. This includes significant use in sectors like solar energy and electronics, reflecting a structural shift in silver's role from primarily a monetary metal to an essential industrial commodity.

Basically, we're short on silver supply and long on demand.

A few obvious things that can cure a shortage:
  • Produce more silver.
  • LBMA and COMEX conduct a semi-coordinated silver price discovery to maintain propriety in paper market...still manipulation...but cognizant of silver mining shortages. Goal? Comfortable price, market equilibrium, and return to business as usual.
  • Global depression - a sharp drop in demand for silver-bearing products - PVs, EVs, AI Data Centers, industrial and consumer electronics, medical devices. This event would have industries looking to unload large physical inventories of silver; flooding the market.
I don't see us producing more silver due to environmental regulations. I don't see a global depression happening, though I still think Japan could dry screw the hell out us on a Yen carry unwind and make things fairly ugly for a bit. I loathe to admit it but, I think it's up to the paper market to guide the price trend upwards in an orderly fashion. I think they will be able to breathe a little easier when the GSR is roughly 30:1. At $5K gold, I think that puts silver around $150.
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Shanghai physical / spot markets are $2-3/oz *higher* than paper CME and paper London LBMA markets.

Instead of the standard squeeze where shorts get caught betting the wrong way on a rising asset, my hypothesis is that a physical silver grab by the ultra-wealthy and possibly even central banks (India. Russia?) which has included goldnow includes silver and is accelerating.


China starts export controls on silver next week. The physical drives the car this time, and it's getting harder to obtain. Starting a stack now would be akin to showing up late to a party, but that party is just now getting going. No one has yet jumped in the pool or danced with a lampshade on their head.


BTW, Love the discussion!

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Wild but expected
Heineken-Ashi
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Like I've been saying.. rare territory.

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Heineken-Ashi said:

Like I've been saying.. rare territory.



I'd say it wouldn't be such a "rare" event if not suppressed by the COMEX and LBMA. They've turned a blind-eye to supply/demand for decades; especially the growing demand of industry. Though a very speculative point, they likely have a mandate to protect the reserve currency. The Fed, and other world central banks, certainly do not want precious metals making their way back into the monetary picture...ever.

Fiat currency is only as good as people believe it is. With higher prices on many common goods, their dollar not stretching as far as it used to (inflation), we might consider lay people's belief or trust in fiat has taken a substantial hit over the last 5 years.

Granted, the media has most people picking team red or blue and pointing fingers at one another as a distraction to their money woes. I hope they eventually wise up to the real issues regarding fiat, but I don't have a lot of faith that happens until it is much too late. Too many people do not understand history, economics, markets, or money.

In conclusion, bullion market's prolonged efforts of fiat protectionism have been to a serious fault. Now the LBMA, COMEX, and paper market participants are being forced to acknowledge the critical nature of PM market supply...among many other pressing economic issues of the day.
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Trimming some paper silver here.
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That can all be true. Not agreeing or disagreeing. But the point remains that we are at historical levels of bullish sentiment. History shows that even if it continues for a year, we are close to the end. The only similar point in time that ended up bullish on a one year horizon was the end of the 1970's, and even that one wildly reversed two years later.

Sentiment has an emerging characteristic. That means it bottoms before fundamentals and logic say it should, and tops the same way.

For those not committed to lifetime holding, my simple point is to have an exit plan in place.
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Heineken-Ashi said:

That can all be true. Not agreeing or disagreeing. But the point remains that we are at historical levels of bullish sentiment. History shows that even if it continues for a year, we are close to the end. The only similar point in time that ended up bullish on a one year horizon was the end of the 1970's, and even that one wildly reversed two years later.

Sentiment has an emerging characteristic. That means it bottoms before fundamentals and logic say it should, and tops the same way.

For those not committed to lifetime holding, my simple point is to have an exit plan in place.

I firmly believe in pullbacks and consolidation. We need ceilings and floors for market stability. Unfortunately, the paper markets have unwittingly, perhaps through complacency, chosen violence and volatility. Scarcity is real. The pullbacks need to happen but, who is willing to stand on the tracks with a barreling freight train incoming? All I'm saying is the COMEX and LBMA have a real tiger by the tail.
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You do have to admit, silver bulls has a fitting Christmas ring to it.
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A little house keeping note:

Depending on when you starting stacking, your stack could be up 200-300%. The value of your stack has significantly increased. It might be time to revisit how you have your metals stored/secured. A large percentage of robberies are done by a friend or family member. If you told people about your silver at $20, $70 might be high enough people risk it.

Things to think about: security cameras, better safe, moving metals to offsite location, splitting stack into multiple locations, home protection (dogs, firearms).

All of this matters, especially at $70, but even more so if silver hits $100+.

When in doubt, tell no one you have precious metals.
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Outdoorag011 said:

A little house keeping note:

Depending on when you starting stacking, your stack could be up 200-300%. The value of your stack has significantly increased. It might be time to revisit how you have your metals stored/secured. A large percentage of robberies are done by a friend or family member. If you told people about your silver at $20, $70 might be high enough people risk it.

Things to think about: security cameras, better safe, moving metals to offsite location, splitting stack into multiple locations, home protection (dogs, firearms).

All of this matters, especially at $70, but even more so if silver hits $100+.

When in doubt, tell no one you have precious metals.
I bet TexMetals in Shiner sees an uptick in their onsite storage business.
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Outdoorag011 said:

A little house keeping note:

Depending on when you starting stacking, your stack could be up 200-300%. The value of your stack has significantly increased. It might be time to revisit how you have your metals stored/secured. A large percentage of robberies are done by a friend or family member. If you told people about your silver at $20, $70 might be high enough people risk it.

Things to think about: security cameras, better safe, moving metals to offsite location, splitting stack into multiple locations, home protection (dogs, firearms).

All of this matters, especially at $70, but even more so if silver hits $100+.

When in doubt, tell no one you have precious metals.

+100, this cannot be stated enough

Early on in my stacking career (2010) I had a family member steal some silver and gold i was holding for an Uncle who was in the process of moving from California to Texas. I was able to recover everything from a local pawn shop and the D.A.'s office after prosecuting everyone involved.

Protect your stack is spot on, great advice Outdoorag011!

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Just stopped by the LCS. He has bought 2 million this month. I sold some numismatic pieces that I bought to flip anyway.

Since so many people are selling, he has some really really cool vintage silver bars and coins that I will likely scoop up when we get hit with a correction. Really cool pieces that were in someone's stack for decades waiting for prices to go up to sell. Definitely some cool silver hitting the market.
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$72/oz Ag while we were asleep ... $77 in Shanghai (!)

That $5/oz difference between paper and physical-based markets continues to "pull" physical metals to Asia, adding further pressure on the COMEX and LBMA

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And the LCS are killing people on "interesting" silver. From what I can tell they only want it for melt and any $$ previously paid for "interesting" is lost.

I wanted to unload some fancy crap I had stupidly purchased instead of bullion. They offered spot. I feel like such a moron for buying that stuff.
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Out of curiosity what's an example of something you have?
Silvy
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I regret not buying more
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Wow junk halves are now over $25 each...
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Silvy said:

I regret not buying more


I think everyone feels this way, even if you have a stack.
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Holy cow, even the 40% halves are over $10
 
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