Ryder Cup Captains Picks

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RogerFurlong
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I think the team chemistry stuff is dumb. It's a weekend of golf not a football team. I really don't know how's he been playing overall but he's fun to watch.
aggiegolfer2012
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We went 20 years getting destroyed and the complaint was always that the US team was just a bunch of individuals and not a team.
Now we have a group of incredibly talented players that also are friends and everybody is mad because we didn't take a player that had one top 20 since April.
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RogerFurlong said:

I think the team chemistry stuff is dumb. It's a weekend of golf not a football team. I really don't know how's he been playing overall but he's fun to watch.
Have you never spent a weekend of golf, or a golf trip, with people you don't exactly like or get along with? If you haven't, it's not great. A team room of 12 is way more intimate than a college football locker room of 80+.
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RogerFurlong said:

I think the team chemistry stuff is dumb. It's a weekend of golf not a football team. I really don't know how's he been playing overall but he's fun to watch.
I would disagree on chemistry. I think it does matter (as well as playing style). But I get why you might think otherwise.

Having said that, I think being the plaintiff in a lawsuit that sued his would-be teammates and cost the PGAT hundreds of millions of dollars takes the whole chemistry thing to another level. Not sure if you've ever been on the receiving end of a lawsuit but I can assure you, most people who have do not take kindly to it and usually can't stand to be in the same room with their opponent. The thought of having to then be on a team with the person that sued you would drive most crazy. As good at golf as they are, they are still people.
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DannyDuberstein said:

JT is a gamble but I understand why he took it. He's been great in these events; problem is that JT was a better player than 2023 JT. But i get taking a shot.

I was somewhat indifferent on the Young-Bradley-Burns choice. And Keopka was always a no brainer.
If the 11th and 12th guys are going to be the difference between winning and losing, you have a bad team.

I agree on JT. He'd better be one of best players this year or it could be toxic.

Young, Bradley, and Burns. I think ZJ picked the third best guy. I don't get that pick at all.

I listened to golf radio on Sirius yesterday. I probably heard 8 or 9 pundits make their Ryder Cup predictions. I don't think any of them had Burns in the top 12.
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Historically, with some exceptions (and Ian Poulter a permanent exception), golfers who have been playing poorly the months leading up to the Ryder Cup are dead weight on the team.

I think JT is a huge risk.
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He's scheduled to play the Fortinet Championship the week before going to Italy so we'll what shape his game is in. Burns played well the last 2 weeks and Scheffler absolutely lobbied for him so no Young.
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aggiedent said:

Historically, with some exceptions (and Ian Poulter a permanent exception), golfers who have been playing poorly the months leading up to the Ryder Cup are dead weight on the team.

I think JT is a huge risk.


That's kind of where I am at. He was bad this year.
RogerFurlong
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No I usually golf with friends.
RogerFurlong
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I've been sued by an employee before, lawyers wouldn't even let me fire him it was some bs.
AustinCountyAg
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I'm still waiting to hear about the Bryson/Piller divorce story....
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SIAP but just saw Captains Picks were announced this morning?

Burns, Fowler, Koepka, Morikowa, Spieth, and Thomas
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I think the chemistry stuff matters. I was recently channel surfing the numerous streaming services we have and stumbled on a documentary called Cracking the Code, it details when Paul Azinger was the captain and how he went about selecting and pairing. Azinger enlisted the help of a sports psychologist Dr Ron Braund and he used personality tests and something called the pod system. If I recall it it something the Navy Seals use. At any rate, it was pretty clear that chemistry and personality matter, Azinger knew exactly what buttons to push with which pairings and it worked to perfection. I'd say it matters. It was an interesting watch, quite entertaining, give a look if you get a chance.
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AustinCountyAg said:

I'm still waiting to hear about the Bryson/Piller divorce story....


I think the story is that his caddie banged Gerina Piller. I think they were both regulars out at Dallas National
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RogerFurlong said:

No I usually golf with friends.
Hear ya! But getting paired with "that guy" during a member-guest or otherwise, makes for a less than enjoyable time.
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Like they say if you don't know who that guy is you're that guy. Maybe I'm that guy lol
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aggiedent said:

Historically, with some exceptions (and Ian Poulter a permanent exception), golfers who have been playing poorly the months leading up to the Ryder Cup are dead weight on the team.

I think JT is a huge risk.


And there are probably plenty of examples of guys who get hot at the end of the PGA tour season and make the Ryder Cup team that end up being dead weight on the team when the event is played a month or so later.
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I think JT will play fine. He'll be a good addition to the team and was easily one of the 6 best options
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can someone make sure sip chamblee is still alive.
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DannyDuberstein said:

AustinCountyAg said:

I'm still waiting to hear about the Bryson/Piller divorce story....


I think the story is that his caddie banged Gerina Piller. I think they were both regulars out at Dallas National
curious why the critic wants to blame Bryson for Martin Pillers failed marriage then? Bryson wasn't the one banging her. Usually in marriages that fail where the bride or groom is cheating I'd blame either the bride or groom.
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AustinCountyAg said:

DannyDuberstein said:

AustinCountyAg said:

I'm still waiting to hear about the Bryson/Piller divorce story....


I think the story is that his caddie banged Gerina Piller. I think they were both regulars out at Dallas National
curious why the critic wants to blame Bryson for Martin Pillers failed marriage then? Bryson wasn't the one banging her. Usually in marriages that fail where the bride or groom is cheating I'd blame either the bride or groom.
Can you point out a specific, fact-based example of where I said it was Bryson? I did clearly say that it was the caddie.
Username checks out.
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I Am A Critic said:

AustinCountyAg said:

DannyDuberstein said:

AustinCountyAg said:

I'm still waiting to hear about the Bryson/Piller divorce story....


I think the story is that his caddie banged Gerina Piller. I think they were both regulars out at Dallas National
curious why the critic wants to blame Bryson for Martin Pillers failed marriage then? Bryson wasn't the one banging her. Usually in marriages that fail where the bride or groom is cheating I'd blame either the bride or groom.
Can you point out a specific, fact-based example of where I said it was Bryson? I did clearly say that it was the caddie.
you said "F Bryson and his caddie for breaking up..."

To me that was you implying you were blaming both of them for the failed marriage. I apologize to reading it that way.
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"I think JT will play fine. He'll be a good addition to the team and was easily one of the 6 best options"

I'm curious why you think he will play fine.

1. He's played poor for the last 6 months.
2. He looks like he has lost total confidence in his putting.
3. The Ryder Cup amps up the pressure.
4. As I already posted, historically players entering the Ryder Cup playing poor, play terrible.

Why do you think he will be different?
Baby Billy
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aggiedent said:

"I think JT will play fine. He'll be a good addition to the team and was easily one of the 6 best options"

I'm curious why you think he will play fine.

1. He's played poor for the last 6 months.
2. He looks like he has lost total confidence in his putting.
3. The Ryder Cup amps up the pressure.
4. As I already posted, historically players entering the Ryder Cup playing poor, play terrible.

Why do you think he will be different?
There's no particular reason, that's just what I think. Notice I didn't speak in absolutes and only opinion
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aggiegolfer2012 said:

Burns over Young would be a strange pick to me.
Gotta really love the Scheffler pairing to make that move. Burns is solid week in and week out on Tour, but there is something about knowing that Young has been in the hunt in big tournaments and played well, we haven't really seen Burns step up in a big moment yet.
Burns beat Cam Young 6 and 5 in the final of this year's Dell Match Play. I think he went through Scheffler to get to the final. I have no problem with Burns to pair with Scottie and his wonky putter.
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Hubert J. Farnsworth said:

aggiedent said:

Historically, with some exceptions (and Ian Poulter a permanent exception), golfers who have been playing poorly the months leading up to the Ryder Cup are dead weight on the team.

I think JT is a huge risk.


That's kind of where I am at. He was bad this year.
I've never liked JT. I'm rooting for the Americans but I'd love to see JT go 0 fer.
aggiedent
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I did notice, which is why I asked if you had a reason.

But easily one of the best 6 picks? I'd have removed the "easily" part.
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Damn, harsh.

Why? Just curious.
aggiegolfer2012
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aggiedent said:

"I think JT will play fine. He'll be a good addition to the team and was easily one of the 6 best options"

I'm curious why you think he will play fine.

1. He's played poor for the last 6 months.
2. He looks like he has lost total confidence in his putting.
3. The Ryder Cup amps up the pressure.
4. As I already posted, historically players entering the Ryder Cup playing poor, play terrible.

Why do you think he will be different?


You keep saying #4, do you have any specific examples? And maybe more directly as it relates to players with multiple majors and winning Ryder Cup records?

And if we want to talk about amped up pressure, let's go look at Keegan's record in major events over the last decade.

If some of these people that are mad about the JT pick looked at the rsum's of the other options with the same level of criticism, they'd realize this was an easy pick.
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2018 Sergio Garcia

Wins 2017 Masters
Misses FedEx Cup playoffs (back when it was top 125 instead of 70 this year)
Finishes 13th in World Points (behind Rafa Cabrera Bello and Matt Fitzpatrick)
Finishes 26th in European Tour points
Gets picked by captain
Goes 3-1-0

Stenson got picked from 17th in the standings and went 3-0-0

Paul Casey has been picked from 16th in the standings, Westwood from 17th. Sometimes it works out, sometimes it doesn't, but the Euros know the importance of continuity, and when their guys were close, they picked them. Almost to a fault this last time around, but when something works for 2 decades, you ride it til it dies I guess.
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aggiegolfer2012 said:

2018 Sergio Garcia

Wins 2017 Masters
Misses FedEx Cup playoffs (back when it was top 125 instead of 70 this year)
Finishes 13th in World Points (behind Rafa Cabrera Bello and Matt Fitzpatrick)
Finishes 26th in European Tour points
Gets picked by captain
Goes 3-1-0

Stenson got picked from 17th in the standings and went 3-0-0

Paul Casey has been picked from 16th in the standings, Westwood from 17th. Sometimes it works out, sometimes it doesn't, but the Euros know the importance of continuity, and when their guys were close, they picked them. Almost to a fault this last time around, but when something works for 2 decades, you ride it til it dies I guess.



Wow. Doesn't seem like it should even be possible to win the Masters and still finish outside the top 125.
Baby Billy
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aggiegolfer2012
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Finished outside the following year. Won masters 2017, misses playoffs 2018 (the year of the Ryder Cup).
Similar to JT winning PGA in 2022, and missing playoffs in 2023, but slightly different because playoffs changed to 70 this year.

DannyDuberstein
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Yeah, the Burns pick + ZJ's comments definitely make it sound like a bit of a popularity contest at the end. He couldn't stop talking about having a tight players room, and it pretty much seemed like he got in a room with the 6 at the Tour Championship and picked the last 6 together.

I thought ZJ's interview was pretty rough. Lots of stammering and rambling. When asked if/how the course shaped his selections, he basically took 3 minutes to talk about the course being hilly.
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I'm convinced that, for the most part, the captains picks are a popularity contest.
 
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