Yep, FOW cadre, rain, and guard room. As a BQ I wore it maybe a half dozen times after FOW

Correction, weren't they authorized for the Friday before home football games? That seems vaguely familiar. Also flag detail wore them as I recall, but that's technically part of guard room.

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They were the required headgear for FOW, guard room, and maybe authorized for wear with the rain overcoat in the early 2000s. I don't think we wore them any other time.

As an aside, I was being talked to death by a command historian once who was convinced that the Army should bring back the campaign hat as the official Army headgear. He was convinced that it was the best choice for some reason

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We wore them for FOW, guard room, and raingear in the 83-87 time period.

Regarding becoming official Army headgear: due to the increased attention of skin cancer, especially the face and ear area, I can see the benefit of wearing a broad rimmed hat when outdoors.

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Great picture. Just in the first row I see no chinstrap, chinstrap below the chin, chinstrap below the lip, and chinstrap above the nose. Not counting the guy without a cover, and the guy in the second row with round sunglasses. Things were never as uniform as you remember them.

Anyone have any idea what is in their right breast pocket? I see a lot of cadets with a bulge about the size of a cell phone.

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Yep, FOW cadre, rain, and guard room. As a BQ I wore it maybe a half dozen times after FOW

Correction, weren't they authorized for the Friday before home football games? That seems vaguely familiar. Also flag detail wore them as I recall, but that's technically part of guard room.

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Yeah, maybe the football game thing, too. I think you're right, but I can't remember if that was all four years or something added/taken away when Van Alstyne replaced Hopgood.

Campaign covers were regular issue at least 1988-1995.
These were worn as raingear, with plastic cover, with the Class C green pickle suits (and later BDUs) and with Bravos and Summer As.
These were worn sans-plastic cover for 1) Guard Room detail, 2) Flag Details (Academic and Administration Buildings), 3) SMU March-in, 4) FOW Cadre.

Once fitted to your head, it was a great piece of headgear - kept the sun and water off your head/face/neck.
Note - if not fitted to head, it left an noticeable imprint in forehead and generated an intense headache.

Off the head, it was a hassle to stow when sitting.

The chin strap provided a dual function when so used - kept it on your head regardless of conditions when worn, and a strap to retain at the shoulder when removed (drive arm between strap and cover, unfasten epaulet, place strap under epaulet, refasten epaulet with cover at back of shoulder bone.

What is FOW Cadre?

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Elangomats.

All views are from 1988-1995 era. Corps terms are omitted.

FOW Cadre were those cadets in each outfit who were training officers for Freshmen Orientation Week. This usually included the CO, XO, 1SGT and Platoon SGTS, and several heads.

FOW was a gentler introduction to the Corps, a training session without the hand-breaking whip outs, the punitive PT sessions, and the yelling.

So Cadre were selected to meet the new cadet and fam at Duncan for checkin, to escort all to the dorm, to lead fish to the Military Property Warehouse for your 2-bag uniform issue, to ensure fish uniform parts were correct size, to show fish how to arrange closet and room, how to pull a rack, how to shine shoes and brass, to ensure shoes had taps and brass lacked the protective layer,

Cadre led the fish to get haircuts and taught how to fall out, how to fall in, how to march, how to salute, how to eat

Basically Cadre took care to prep fish to meet the upperclassmen on Sunday before school.

Oh yeah, Fish Week. Before the pissheads arrived and it got real..........

74......It occurs to me that P. C. '71 was a senior when you were a fish in the FTAB. Believe me, we tried to keep a lid on him for 3 years. He must have been hell on wheels with nobody standing over him. Thought I'd better use initials rather than a full name.

ct not bq.

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Anyone have any idea what is in their right breast pocket? I see a lot of cadets with a bulge about the size of a cell phone.

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That's what I thought too, but assumed they wouldn't be allowed in uniform.

Another change over the years. As fish, it was our privilege to carry "fish matches" to light upperclassmen's smokes. Also, as a fish drummer, I had to have my drum key with me at all times.

My father, '44, once commented that he really liked the campaign hats because the brim kept the sun out of your eyes at football games.

And in those days, cadets wore their headgear all during the game. No "uncover nazis."

jumping in late to the thread but re: question on the cord color for the campaign covers is class color.

I'm c/o '98, and unless things changed since then, every fish class is assigned a class color that is in a rotation.

royal blue
red
green
infantry blue

seniors wear gold on their campaign covers instead of their class colors. I also had a sabre wrap, and I chose green (class color) and the black/gold "zipper" style that is on the senior class piss cutter covers.

I was a BQ and also on FOW cadre all 3 years, and that's the time we wore the campaign covers most. the only other times we wore those was for guard room / flag details, but as we got older those times diminished. guard room was staffed mostly by the blackbelts.

Rain gear with class B's also was a time where we wore the campaign covers; however nearly every cadet wore their fatigues on rain days to avoid more dry cleaning bills. the big suck was if you had to go to the MSC for some reason like checking your mail on a rainy day.

The cav wears Cavalry Yellow cords on their cav hats, like troopers still wear on their Stetsons. The question was about the cannon section wearing yellow cords on their hats, even though they should wear red. Enlisted artillerymen wear red cords on their cav hats when assigned to CAV units

Puke redlegs don't deserve to wear Cav yellow! (just kidding, stirring the pot)

Eyes Deep! Scouts Out!

Right. I was thinking he was asking about the gold on seniors covers but correct on cav jocks and yellow.

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The cav wears Cavalry Yellow cords on their cav hats, like troopers still wear on their Stetsons. The question was about the cannon section wearing yellow cords on their hats, even though they should wear red. Enlisted artillerymen wear red cords on their cav hats when assigned to CAV units

Puke redlegs don't deserve to wear Cav yellow! (just kidding, stirring the pot)

Eyes Deep! Scouts Out!

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It's all good. we even give you a mention in our song

With the cavalry boot to boot
We will join the pursuit
And those caissons go rolling along

The PMC wears the midnights in september because they only wear midnights to ride out in public.

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That's a good point that I've never really thought of about the hat cord. I can definitely look into it, and I am all for getting these kinds of details right. As for the shoulder cord, this is what I've been told by my Bonfire friends as well as former members of the cannon crew, but it wouldn't surprise me in the least bit if this was something that was added between your time and mine.

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If it becomes a goal to get back to closer compliance with the period correct 1920-1940 AMC Class B uniform worn by the AMC Cav Troops, the following would need to be addressed:

1) Jrs and Sophs - brown low quarters;
2) Jrs and Sophs - M1917 leggings (as worn also 1982 - early 2000s) http://onlinemilitaria.net/products/5123-US-1917-Mounted-Pattern-Canvas-Leggings-with-Leather/ ;
3) Jrs and Sophs - dark, not current yellow rank;
4) all - black tie, not brown;
5) all - no stack on covers (stacks were worn by AMC Cavalry on Service Cover, not Campaign cover);
6) artillery half section - red hat cord, red USROTC patch, artillery brass;
7) all - chin straps, no straps behind the head (not sure when changed, definitively under the chin 1982-1995)
8) Zips - M1902 Cavalry Spurs (knobs, no rowels).

I wish you well in changes you can implement.

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And FLAT brims on campaign covers. The cowboy curls is pure Horse hockey. My grandfather was in the 5th Cavalry at Fort Clark from 1933 to 1940. When he came to games and saw PMC that was the first thing he mentioned.

Damn folks -
Its Corps, not Corp.
Its Parsons Mounted Cavalry, not Parson's Mounted Cavalry (Thomas R. Parsons '49, Commandant at the time - no apostrophe anywhere)

3x5s for folks who err on this.

Yeah, the shaped hats have become sort of our trademark and they are here to stay. Every year corps staff tries to flex their muscles and say that we can't shape up our hats, and if caught will result in demerits or RW's. We don't comply, they don't back up the threat, and the issue is forgotten about.

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Yeah, the shaped hats have become sort of our trademark and they are here to stay. Every year corps staff tries to flex their muscles and say that we can't shape up our hats, and if caught will result in demerits or RW's. We don't comply, they don't back up the threat, and the issue is forgotten about.

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Pure jealousy on their part! Ride On!

What class were you?

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Ill be coming around this year for some games. Yall still have the Cav tent at spence?

Yep, same place as always.

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Good bull. Whats your position? I was a platoon leader when I a zip

I'm just a section zip, specifically a cannon boy. I was away on an internship this past semester which took away my chance at trying out for leadership, but now I look at it as though I won't be as stressed for ride ins and other events, giving me a chance to just enjoy my last year.

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I'm just a section zip, specifically a cannon boy. I was away on an internship this past semester which took away my chance at trying out for leadership, but now I look at it as though I won't be as stressed for ride ins and other events, giving me a chance to just enjoy my last year.

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Thats awesome. I had to do an internship too one of my junior semesters. Construction Science... Enjoy it brother. It goes by way too fast

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Yeah, the shaped hats have become sort of our trademark and they are here to stay. Every year corps staff tries to flex their muscles and say that we can't shape up our hats, and if caught will result in demerits or RW's. We don't comply, they don't back up the threat, and the issue is forgotten about.

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I was Corps Staff. When we were there the issue wasn't the Cav, and it certainly wasn't jealousy, it was everyone else trying to turn their campaign covers into cowboy hats and it looking pretty bad in uniform. Some people made up some crap about it being a tradition, and of course as soon as someone says something is a tradition, all real traditions get tossed out the window. My memory is fading, but I think we had the cav wear regular campaign covers when not doing cav things.

Game day is unique for the Cav. But I don't understand why everyone wants to be special in uniform. BQs pull out their infantry/artillery band brass, certain people pull out chrome brass or skeleton brass, or made up ribbons/medals. I mean I get it, you're a millenial, everyone told you you were special growing up, and now you feel the need to be unique in uniform to feel special, but come on, you joined the Corps!

My bad for not being specific enough. All the Cav Jocks still wear the flat brim campaign covers for everything else like flag detail, guard room, whatever. The problem arose when they specifically tried to enforce the flat brim on us during game day. Wearing our Cav cord in uniform is all we do that is different from the rest of the corps and there is nothing else that has anything to do with us being millennials wanting to be "special". If anything, we are arguably the hardest working members of the corps putting in countless hours of work at The Green that people who aren't or weren't in our organization still to this day cannot seem to understand. This is not work we are paid for and is always tough, manual labor, but we are happy to do it because it gives us a sense of pride.

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My bad for not being specific enough. All the Cav Jocks still wear the flat brim campaign covers for everything else like flag detail, guard room, whatever. The problem arose when they specifically tried to enforce the flat brim on us during game day. Wearing our Cav cord in uniform is all we do that is different from the rest of the corps and there is nothing else that has anything to do with us being millennials wanting to be "special". If anything, we are arguably the hardest working members of the corps putting in countless hours of work at The Green that people who aren't or weren't in our organization still to this day cannot seem to understand. This is not work we are paid for and is always tough, manual labor, but we are happy to do it because it gives us a sense of pride.

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My bad for not being specific enough. All the Cav Jocks still wear the flat brim campaign covers for everything else like flag detail, guard room, whatever. The problem arose when they specifically tried to enforce the flat brim on us during game day. Wearing our Cav cord in uniform is all we do that is different from the rest of the corps and there is nothing else that has anything to do with us being millennials wanting to be "special". If anything, we are arguably the hardest working members of the corps putting in countless hours of work at The Green that people who aren't or weren't in our organization still to this day cannot seem to understand. This is not work we are paid for and is always tough, manual labor, but we are happy to do it because it gives us a sense of pride.

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My issue isn't with the Cav uniform on gameday, and the "you" in my post was a generic one, not aimed at you specifically. My issue is with everyone else trying to be special, like the examples I pointed out. Although I do recall cav jocks wearing cav brass instead of Corps brass on their daily uniform. Regardless, I respect the cav a lot, and have seen through buddies the amount of work y'all put in.

I agree completely with what you said about made-up/fake ribbons and medals, that's the kind of nonsense that should be cracked down on. And I failed to mention that we do still wear Cav brass in our normal uniform, but is worn in the center of our left breast pocket. Our Corps Brass still sits on our collar where it has always been, because like you said, we joined the Corps first