Might as well settle then! Smh

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2004FIGHTINTXAG said:

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Honolulu Blue said:

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2 tourney wins in 6 years, with much of this team not returning next year. Quite a legacy

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Yeah, and A&M has a total of 15 tournament wins in its entire history. We're not getting anyone better.

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Almost every SEC school is going to be in the NCAA tournament in the new financial world of college athletics. 14 of 16 (88%) this season.

There are only 16 SEC jobs. We will pay a top 10 salary and will fully fund basketball post-House settlement.

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But all that matters is thank you notes and how well spoken our guys are to the blue hairs in College Station.

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Again, A&M was previously Irrelevant. Everyone loving on previously Aggie Basketball coaches who are no longer in coaching. At their greatest, BK and Turg are after thoughts at their other stops.

How quickly everyone forgets 0-16 in the Big 12. Melvin Watkins. Tony Barrone. Empty Reed Arena at Basketball games.

Buzz should coach at A&M as long as he wants, until he no longer makes the tournament, or until Aggie Basketball gets Prioritized by administration and we start to suck.

A&M is NOT a basketball school, but every March we have been relevant as long as Buzz Freaking Williams has been our coach.

Let's fire him!

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So your first post was instantly proven wrong by 20 people, now you went and google searched Aggie basketball history?

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Might as well settle then! Smh

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Sorry if reality hurts. A&M isn't a blue blood basketball school and we're not getting anyone better. Buzz is a good coach, who might win it all some day. Firing him would be a bad decision.

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InfoSecAg said:

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Might as well settle then! Smh

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Sorry if reality hurts. A&M isn't a blue blood basketball school and we're not getting anyone better. Buzz is a good coach, who might win it all some day. Firing him would be a bad decision.

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Likely sip troll. GTFO

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Again, A&M was previously Irrelevant. Everyone loving on previously Aggie Basketball coaches who are no longer in coaching. At their greatest, BK and Turg are after thoughts at their other stops.

How quickly everyone forgets 0-16 in the Big 12. Melvin Watkins. Tony Barrone. Empty Reed Arena at Basketball games.

Buzz should coach at A&M as long as he wants, until he no longer makes the tournament, or until Aggie Basketball gets Prioritized by administration and we start to suck.

A&M is NOT a basketball school, but every March we have been relevant as long as Buzz Freaking Williams has been our coach.

Let's fire him!

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So your first post was instantly proven wrong by 20 people, now you went and google searched Aggie basketball history?

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Wasn't proven wrong. I just didn't recently hop on the basketball bandwagon. All the names- BCG, BK, Turg...Irrelevant in 2025. None of them made a tournament this year, and they ain't making one next year.

Everyone who wants to fire Buzz can't name a Single Realistic replacement for him. Are coaches dying to come to A&M? Who will make A&M "Great Again", when we have Never been a Basketball school?

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2004FIGHTINTXAG said:

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InfoSecAg said:

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Might as well settle then! Smh

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Sorry if reality hurts. A&M isn't a blue blood basketball school and we're not getting anyone better. Buzz is a good coach, who might win it all some day. Firing him would be a bad decision.

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Likely sip troll. GTFO

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Great argument buddy. You put great thought and research into that one.

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Billy Gillespie was our best coach in the last 50 years, but Buzz is definitely a close second

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Despite his couple years here and his very limited time at UTEP he can even come close to the accomplishments of Buzz.

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He essentially started from scratch here, then covid hit in what, year 2? when that team was on a roll.

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This simply isn't accurate. We had over a 100 RPI and were in the 1st game of the SEC tournament when covid came. We weren't even a NIT team that season.

Our next year was a disaster. We were 2-8 in the SEC. Baylor won a national championship that year and Houston emerged as the power they are now making a Final 4. Our cohesive team should have had a huge advantage during covid.

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I don't feel like defending Buzz tonight but pretending the first year turn around under buzz didn't happen is pretty wild.

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Captain Winky said:

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Billy Gillespie was our best coach in the last 50 years, but Buzz is definitely a close second

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Despite his couple years here and his very limited time at UTEP he can even come close to the accomplishments of Buzz.

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Yes!!!! BCG couldn't get a D1 offer today or tomorrow.

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He essentially started from scratch here, then covid hit in what, year 2? when that team was on a roll.

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This simply isn't accurate. We had over a 100 RPI and were in the 1st game of the SEC tournament when covid came. We weren't even a NIT team that season.

Our next year was a disaster. We were 2-8 in the SEC. Baylor won a national championship that year and Houston emerged as the power they are now making a Final 4. Our cohesive team should have had a huge advantage during covid.

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I don't feel like defending Buzz tonight but pretending the first year turn around under buzz didn't happen is pretty wild.

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It was a stereotypical Buzz team for his first season... Start slow and then come on during conference play (except this year being the exception to that)..

The only thing was they were really really bad in non-conference that season (much more so than others). Embarrassingly bad.

Only two of his six seasons fit that "stereotypical" pattern 2019-20 and 2022-23

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t - cam said:

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He essentially started from scratch here, then covid hit in what, year 2? when that team was on a roll.

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This simply isn't accurate. We had over a 100 RPI and were in the 1st game of the SEC tournament when covid came. We weren't even a NIT team that season.

Our next year was a disaster. We were 2-8 in the SEC. Baylor won a national championship that year and Houston emerged as the power they are now making a Final 4. Our cohesive team should have had a huge advantage during covid.

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I don't feel like defending Buzz tonight but pretending the first year turn around under buzz didn't happen is pretty wild.

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It was a stereotypical Buzz team for his first season... Start slow and then come on during conference play (except this year being the exception to that)..

The only thing was they were really really bad in non-conference that season (much more so than others). Embarrassingly bad.

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If we want to move on from Buzz after this year I'm fine with it. He's been a very solid to great coach here with underwhelming post season results. I'd also be terrified what this athletic department would deem a suitable replacement after the absolutely malfeasance that happened with the baseball team. We'd be looking at a very strong possibility at sucking at every major men's sport.

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100%. We know Buzz will probably get us to the tourney again next year. Firing him and who knows what we get, but it probably won't be better than Buzz.

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InfoSecAg said:

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Might as well settle then! Smh

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Sorry if reality hurts. A&M isn't a blue blood basketball school and we're not getting anyone better. Buzz is a good coach, who might win it all some day. Firing him would be a bad decision.

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Blue bloods don't matter in the new economic reality we are in. There's plenty of resources here for a coach to leverage. Hell we have competitors in the SEC who are excelling with no hoops history, but hired good coaches.

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t - cam said:

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Gap said:

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He essentially started from scratch here, then covid hit in what, year 2? when that team was on a roll.

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This simply isn't accurate. We had over a 100 RPI and were in the 1st game of the SEC tournament when covid came. We weren't even a NIT team that season.

Our next year was a disaster. We were 2-8 in the SEC. Baylor won a national championship that year and Houston emerged as the power they are now making a Final 4. Our cohesive team should have had a huge advantage during covid.

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I don't feel like defending Buzz tonight but pretending the first year turn around under buzz didn't happen is pretty wild.

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It was a stereotypical Buzz team for his first season... Start slow and then come on during conference play (except this year being the exception to that)..

The only thing was they were really really bad in non-conference that season (much more so than others). Embarrassingly bad.

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If we want to move on from Buzz after this year I'm fine with it. He's been a very solid to great coach here with underwhelming post season results. I'd also be terrified what this athletic department would deem a suitable replacement after the absolutely malfeasance that happened with the baseball team. We'd be looking at a very strong possibility at sucking at every major men's sport.

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With Trev running the ship, this is most assuredly a valid concern.

Sure we aren't a blue blood program but as another poster mentioned…was Bama just a few years ago? All it takes is a good hire.

Beard
Wade
Pitino Jr.

All it would take is our athletic program to grab their balls and snag one of these guys and we'd be lightyears ahead of what a 25-26 Buzz team would look like

We are better than beard

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We are better than beard

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I used to say similar. I just want to win.

Bless your heart

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Sure we aren't a blue blood program but as another poster mentioned…was Bama just a few years ago? All it takes is a good hire.

Beard
Wade
Pitino Jr.

All it would take is our athletic program to grab their balls and snag one of these guys and we'd be lightyears ahead of what a 25-26 Buzz team would look like

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But, that would require our athletic department to make good coaching hires, which they rarely do. They suck at coaching hires most of the time. Big 3 sports right now…. Ughh. Baseball - wrong hire. Football - likely wrong hire. Basketball (if we want to move further in the tournament) - wrong hire.

Buzz's ceiling is this. 8 seniors who knew his style - it ain't gonna get better than that. Leading scorer in our programs history.

Which players actually got better during his tenure. Cause 4 was way better his sophomore year.

I didn't even watch any of the tournament games. I knew how they'd end up. I wasn't going to put myself through his coaching ineptitude. Great guy. Great motivational speaker. Average recruiter. Mediocre game day coach.

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Turge and bcg are the best we ever had . But buzz has won a grand total of 2 ncaa games. He may be a better Coach than bk but far And away a better coach? How many regular or post season rings has buzz won? I just don't get the hate for bk. Bk was really good or terrible no doubt but buzz isn't that far better than bk imo? Better sure but people make it seem like buzz is one of the greatest coaches in Aggie basketball. It's bcg turge and Shelby. But people just crap all over bk who has made 2 sweet sixteens out of our 6

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I don't get why people act like the Sweet 16 is the end all be all. Yes, BK got us there twice. He also missed the tournament in six of the eight seasons he coached here…he also left the program in a worse position than it was in when he arrived or when Turgeon arrived. I'd prefer sustained success with numerous tournament appearances than long periods of sucking and then a couple spike years that are clear outliers. Buzz has a better winning percentage, more wins over big teams, and coaches in a far better conference than any of his predecessors.

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Well if the conference is anywhere close to being as good next year as it was this year we're staring at a Melvin Watkins level bad team. This is one of the many valid complaints about Buzz is his terrible HS recruiting. The only player who is likely to come back is Washington. Payne is gonna get a bag to go play somewhere like Auburn or Bama who will a) be able to get him the ball & b) have a chance to actually win it all. We're up sh-t creek without a paddle right now unless Buzz can get some solid transfers in here in a hurry. But I honestly think he's about to "retire."

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Gap said:

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He essentially started from scratch here, then covid hit in what, year 2? when that team was on a roll.

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This simply isn't accurate. We had over a 100 RPI and were in the 1st game of the SEC tournament when covid came. We weren't even a NIT team that season.

Our next year was a disaster. We were 2-8 in the SEC. Baylor won a national championship that year and Houston emerged as the power they are now making a Final 4. Our cohesive team should have had a huge advantage during covid.

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I don't feel like defending Buzz tonight but pretending the first year turn around under buzz didn't happen is pretty wild.

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The team ranking is real at 114. RPI was the thing. NET began next year. Here is a link to the rankings.

https://www.teamrankings.com/ncaa-basketball/rpi-ranking/rpi-rating-by-team?date=2020-03-12

We upset Auburn late in the year for our lone top 25 win. Nebo was a beast all season.

Losing to Harvard, Temple, and Fairfield was a disaster early in the season.

Put all of the together and we were #114.

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Great motivator. Superb role model. Gets his players to buy in totally. Agreed.

In game coaching, he is a high school varsity coach at best.

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Actually he's an overpaid youth minister acting like a basketball coach. He is far more suited and would probably be happier coaching high school kids at the local First Baptist Church.

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A real life Ted Lasso!

We should never recruit a high school player, IMO, with any coach.

Completely agree. And to further my point, I have absolutely no confidence that our athletic program will make a splash hire (or even a respectable one) if Buzz leaves.

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Gap said:

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He essentially started from scratch here, then covid hit in what, year 2? when that team was on a roll.

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This simply isn't accurate. We had over a 100 RPI and were in the 1st game of the SEC tournament when covid came. We weren't even a NIT team that season.

Our next year was a disaster. We were 2-8 in the SEC. Baylor won a national championship that year and Houston emerged as the power they are now making a Final 4. Our cohesive team should have had a huge advantage during covid.

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I don't feel like defending Buzz tonight but pretending the first year turn around under buzz didn't happen is pretty wild.

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The team ranking is real at 114. RPI was the thing. NET began next year. Here is a link to the rankings.

https://www.teamrankings.com/ncaa-basketball/rpi-ranking/rpi-rating-by-team?date=2020-03-12

We upset Auburn late in the year for our lone top 25 win. Nebo was a beast all season.

Losing to Harvard, Temple, and Fairfield was a disaster early in the season.

Put all of the together and we were #114.

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What was the ranking in early January and did we significantly improve it?

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Completely agree. And to further my point, I have absolutely no confidence that our athletic program will make a splash hire (or even a respectable one) if Buzz leaves.

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I mean, for our supposed "big" sport, they settled on Mark Stoops before they got Elko.

What does that tell you? It tells me that they aren't interested in actually winning anything. Which also tells me I'm not interested in actually attending games and watching anything. Why waste my time when it's blatantly obvious that the decision makers aren't really interested in competing for championships?

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Turge and bcg are the best we ever had . But buzz has won a grand total of 2 ncaa games. He may be a better Coach than bk but far And away a better coach? How many regular or post season rings has buzz won? I just don't get the hate for bk. Bk was really good or terrible no doubt but buzz isn't that far better than bk imo? Better sure but people make it seem like buzz is one of the greatest coaches in Aggie basketball. It's bcg turge and Shelby. But people just crap all over bk who has made 2 sweet sixteens out of our 6

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I don't get why people act like the Sweet 16 is the end all be all. Yes, BK got us there twice. He also missed the tournament in six of the eight seasons he coached here…he also left the program in a worse position than it was in when he arrived or when Turgeon arrived. I'd prefer sustained success with numerous tournament appearances than long periods of sucking and then a couple spike years that are clear outliers. Buzz has a better winning percentage, more wins over big teams, and coaches in a far better conference than any of his predecessors.

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Well if the conference is anywhere close to being as good next year as it was this year we're staring at a Melvin Watkins level bad team. This is one of the many valid complaints about Buzz is his terrible HS recruiting. The only player who is likely to come back is Washington. Payne is gonna get a bag to go play somewhere like Auburn or Bama who will a) be able to get him the ball & b) have a chance to actually win it all. We're up sh-t creek without a paddle right now unless Buzz can get some solid transfers in here in a hurry. But I honestly think he's about to "retire."

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Is there anything substantive that points to Payne dipping? I could see that being the case, but have not heard anything that would lead me to believe that at this point.

I am curious to see what things look like next year. We have signed a few decent high school guys the last couple seasons, I wonder if they will step up or how they pan out.

I am confident in our ability to hit the portal, though. We have killed it there with Q, Dexter Dennis, Andy, Julius Marble (RIP), Boots, Coleman, Zhu, Payne, and Wilcher.

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We are better than beard

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Why we lose

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rondis23 said:

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Name a better basketball coach A&M has had in the last 50 years. I'll wait. (Have always loved your Handle by the way)

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This is a terrible mentality to have. Raise your standards, demand better results. You're too comfortable

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It goes both ways. Are you contributing to the NIL? Are you a season ticket holder?