Mikeyshooter said:

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Binksball said:

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Then don't complain when we are mediocre every season

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We were a top 15 team all season but ok.

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Are you going to finish in the top 15?

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Mikeyshooter said:

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Binksball said:

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Then don't complain when we are mediocre every season

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We were a top 15 team all season but ok.

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Are you going to finish in the top 15?

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We will finish in the top 25, probably top 20. Is that mediocre?

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texag101 said:

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Mikeyshooter said:

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Binksball said:

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Then don't complain when we are mediocre every season

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We were a top 15 team all season but ok.

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We were #1 in baseball for a while. Football was ranked as high as #10. Yeah us.

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Baseball is currently 12-12 overall, 0-6 in conference. Are you seriously comparing this baseball season to a basketball season where we finished 23-11 and will finish in the top 25?

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No, I'm saying mid-season rankings are a dumb thing to use make yourself feel better about a mediocre coach/season.

PS. Finishing ranked 20-25 isn't what we're shooting for, especially 7 years into a coach's tenure. If that's good enough for you then you're part of the problem.

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We have a 5-4 record against the teams in the Sweet 16. Insane that some of you want to can the coach.

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What leads you to believe Buzz will do anything more than he has? Is he going to change his philosophy and actually have an offense? If not, people are tired of it, the students are tired of it, thus why you see the attendance dropping. It's a boring brand of basketball that people are exhausted with.

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What leads you to believe Buzz will do anything more than he has? Is he going to change his philosophy and actually have an offense? If not, people are tired of it, the students are tired of it, thus why you see the attendance dropping. It's a boring brand of basketball that people are exhausted with.

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A) this year was the second highest attendance in school history and the highest of the Buzz era

B) I'd put "style of play" behind like 15 other things on why people don't come to games anyway

C) We were a four seed this year. It was an UPSET that we didn't make the Sweet 16. Do you think more
people would be at games if we played better offense but finished 6-12 in the SEC and snuck into the tournament and pulled off a couple upsets like Arkansas?

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I have three kids at A&M right now. I am relaying what I am hearing. Yes, we had high attendance, however people here are still *****ing about the student attendance being poor for big games. The product is boring, even the wins are exhausting.

Either way, A&M will do what A&M does, hang on to an above average coach, yet not elite, and continue on our path to winning nothing in the next 100 years. It's what we do.

The fans are excited about the direction Arky is heading, why shouldn't they be. We were excited about BCG back in the day, and prob had a similar record. With Buzz, we know what we are going to get, 50/50 win.or lose every game, no matter the opponent.

Just want to say, that I would be for the first call being immediately to Chris Beard, if Buzz Williams were to leave.

I knew mentioning Arkansas was a mistake as soon as I did it because the situation there is different because they have a first year coach and had some other issues.

But my point was that attendance wouldn't be any better if we were playing more aesthetically pleasing basketball but losing more games.

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I absolutely agree, that was said sarcasticaly.

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touche'

Man I dunno. I guess you have to trust whatever vetting process we have. I definitely don't trust the one Ole Miss has.

It would be kind of funny for a sip to be leading our men's program and an Ag to be leading their women's one.

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I knew mentioning Arkansas was a mistake as soon as I did it because the situation there is different because they have a first year coach and had some other issues.

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I believe Arkansas is borderline a blue blood basketball program and not a fair comparison to our program. We can get there, but we need consistency first.

The problem is such that once we start winning, a different program is going to pluck our coach. You better believe that if we go to the Sweet 16 next year or the next, you'll be hearing Buzz's name for other coaching jobs.

Yes, I wasn't comparing the programs. I was just picking an example of a team that had a mediocre season but won two games in the tournament. If you switched our results for theirs it wouldn't matter if we played like the Harlem Globetrotters, people wouldn't be showing up to watch it.

It's always the same posters

"YoUrE pArT oF tHe PrObLeM!!!"

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Yes, I wasn't comparing the programs. I was just picking an example of a team that had a mediocre season but won two games in the tournament. If you switched our results for theirs it wouldn't matter if we played like the Harlem Globetrotters, people wouldn't be showing up to watch it.

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In total agreement and I wasn't talking about you. I was speaking to those who were wanting to be on par with Arkansas.

I can only imagine the blowback on winning two games in the tournament and having a terrible regular season. The thing is, there's always something to complain about which seems to be the primary reason why folks come on here. Something about misery loves company.

" I can only imagine the blowback on winning two games in the tournament and having a terrible regular season."

Has this ever occurred in our history?

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Man I dunno. I guess you have to trust whatever vetting process we have. I definitely don't trust the one Ole Miss has.

It would be kind of funny for a sip to be leading our men's program and an Ag to be leading their women's one.

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Yeah, he beat his common law wife, and he got away with it because she realized the gravy train would end if she pressed charges. It's a pretty awful situation for the WAG's of these highly paid coaches when this stuff happens. No buy-out, no future jobs. They basically have to cover for the guy or lose everything.

Our storied program and fervent fanbase deserve so much more

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HowdyTexasAggies said:

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" I can only imagine the blowback on winning two games in the tournament and having a terrible regular season."

Has this ever occurred in our history?

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literally our last sweet 16 appearance

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Was that Kennedy's last year? Or maybe 2nd to last?

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I think it's weird that on one hand some people act like Texas is some kind of evil operation willing to do everything it takes to win at all costs and at the same time some people say they fired Beard, the coach of a top ten team in the country at the time, because he wouldn't bend the knee enough for Texas' woke agenda.

Can't be both right?

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t.u. fired Beard because their athletic department was in a bind with the rest of the "university," or more specifically, the faculty, over the criminal allegations. The AD was afraid of what it would look like (i.e. condone violence against women) if they didn't get rid of him. I'm not sure your premise is correct here.

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texag101 said:

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Mikeyshooter said:

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Then don't complain when we are mediocre every season

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We were a top 15 team all season but ok.

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We were #1 in baseball for a while. Football was ranked as high as #10. Yeah us.

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Baseball is currently 12-12 overall, 0-6 in conference. Are you seriously comparing this baseball season to a basketball season where we finished 23-11 and will finish in the top 25?

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No, I'm saying mid-season rankings are a dumb thing to use make yourself feel better about a mediocre coach/season.

PS. Finishing ranked 20-25 isn't what we're shooting for, especially 7 years into a coach's tenure. If that's good enough for you then you're part of the problem.

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Calling this basketball season mediocre is absurd and just says you're never going to be happy. In basketball at Texas A&M finishing in the top 25 is basically exactly what we're shooting for, with the occasional year where we push higher. We all wanted us to push higher this year and we did for a large part of the season, we just fell short of the ultimate goals in the end. Being consistently top 25 year to year is a floor we have never achieved and something very few programs do.

You literally have not posted on this board the entire season until March and have only appeared once things didn't go well and you could post about firing the coach. I'd argue that is much more of a problem than those of us enjoying the sport and supporting the program year after year, with hopes we can find ways to improve.

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Who gives a **** whether the person posted on here once, twice, or a hundred thousand times? It is their ARGUMENT/POINT that is the issue, not their posting history. That's just a soft ad hominem (i.e. not name calling per se, but an attempt to make the argument about the individual and not the issue).

Arguments should stand or fall on their own merits and if you have to use other means to get your point across, it isn't much of a point. Besides, this forum isn't the SOLE way one would support Aggie basketball or athletics in general. And any attempt to make the forum some sort of a close knit fraternity where only those that post regularly are the ones in the know is not only ludicrous, but snobbish.

In terms of the argument itself, as has been stated, if you're happy with REGULAR SEASON results, so be it. But many of us aren't. We want more than consistent first and second round NCAA exits at best.

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I think it's weird that on one hand some people act like Texas is some kind of evil operation willing to do everything it takes to win at all costs and at the same time some people say they fired Beard, the coach of a top ten team in the country at the time, because he wouldn't bend the knee enough for Texas' woke agenda.

Can't be both right?

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t.u. fired Beard because their athletic department was in a bind with the rest of the "university," or more specifically, the faculty, over the criminal allegations. The AD was afraid of what it would look like (i.e. condone violence against women) if they didn't get rid of him. I'm not sure your premise is correct here.

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Yeah, they knew he was guilty, and they couldn't risk it happening again.

Sure it is. My premise is they can't be both "willing to do whatever it takes to win" AND worried about optics or whatever, as the Beard firing showed. If they were the former, they would have downplayed it and kept him. We probably couldn't afford Beard right now anyway if Arkansas couldn't, but my big point remains the same:

I think it's absolutely WILD that some people seem to have absolutely no qualms about hiring a guy that our arch rival, the school he's an alum of, fired in the middle of a successful season for putting his hands on a woman. We're not talking about a Will Wade/Kelvin Sampson/Bruce Pearl situation here.

(For the record I'm not saying I would be completely and adamantly against it, but I also trust our university leadership at the moment enough that if they're okay with it, then there's probably facts not available to the public that change how that situation is viewed. But to just be blanket okay with it based on what we know currently seems crazy to me.)

Jimbo was accused by some of covering up rape allegations, or not reacting to those allegations appropriately.

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texag101 said:

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Mikeyshooter said:

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texag101 said:

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Mikeyshooter said:

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Binksball said:

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Then don't complain when we are mediocre every season

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We were a top 15 team all season but ok.

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We were #1 in baseball for a while. Football was ranked as high as #10. Yeah us.

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Baseball is currently 12-12 overall, 0-6 in conference. Are you seriously comparing this baseball season to a basketball season where we finished 23-11 and will finish in the top 25?

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No, I'm saying mid-season rankings are a dumb thing to use make yourself feel better about a mediocre coach/season.

PS. Finishing ranked 20-25 isn't what we're shooting for, especially 7 years into a coach's tenure. If that's good enough for you then you're part of the problem.

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Calling this basketball season mediocre is absurd and just says you're never going to be happy. In basketball at Texas A&M finishing in the top 25 is basically exactly what we're shooting for, with the occasional year where we push higher. We all wanted us to push higher this year and we did for a large part of the season, we just fell short of the ultimate goals in the end. Being consistently top 25 year to year is a floor we have never achieved and something very few programs do.

You literally have not posted on this board the entire season until March and have only appeared once things didn't go well and you could post about firing the coach. I'd argue that is much more of a problem than those of us enjoying the sport and supporting the program year after year, with hopes we can find ways to improve.

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You're everything that's wrong with Aggie basketball and why I stay away. You're actually happy being ranked 25 at the end of the season because we've always sucked and that's the best we reasonably can do. With that attitude, neither you nor our BB team will ever be more than mediocre, like this year.

Then go away buddy. Come back when we actually have a coaching opening and tell us who we could go hire to get us to the elite status we've never reached before.

Seriously you're calling this year "mediocre"? Sounds like you only care about the end result and nothing else.

You're also barking up the wrong tree. I don't think any of us "regulars" are happy with the way the season ended and we've been critical about Buzz as well. But to want to torch the program to hire a "better" coach is preposterous just thinking about how much money we'd have to give Buzz and then a new coach on top of that.

The decision makers are dumbasses. Look what every other effing school has done in the major 2 sports in the past 10 years:

Tech - made CBB final
Sip - made CFB playoff twice
Baylol - won CBB NC
Purple Baylol - made CFB NC game

A&M - squat.

Would you trade Elko for Sonny Dykes?