This is what I think we are headed towards...

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Buzz wants out, but he might not have any takers. So it's basically an arranged marriage next year between A&M and Buzz. Neither the athletic department nor Buzz is excited about, but it makes financial sense for both sides and financial suicide for A&M to fire him or Buzz to just retire.

So what are the pros and cons of this...


Pros
1) Expect the players to stay. I actually like the pieces they have coming back with Payne, Solo, redshirts and new fish. Obviously they need to add some very key pieces in portal.

2) Buzz is going to try hard. He's not going to mail it in He's going to be very motivated.


Cons
1) There is division between Buzz and athletic department. That's going to be awkward

2) There is a damaged relationship with a decent amount of the fanbase. Some over the last week, but some before that. That's also going to make things awkward. Buzz has made it clear he doesn't really care about all that, so I don't see him trying to mend the relationship with fans. He never did much to build a relationship with the fanbase in the first place (instagram videos is not building a relationship)

3) If he does well, he is just going to try this once again next year and try to move on. He might try it again regardless but isn't going to have success without a good year. At least A&M has a full year to prepare for this
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Good breakdown. I dont know where I stand on this. Buzz has soiled his reputation with me.

I want 2 things from A&M basketball:

1. Winning
2. A team I can get behind and feel connected with

I've had that connection every year except for Covid with Buzz. Honestly, if not for the inexplicable losing streaks every year, I would have been 100% on buzz and argued for him, more, even with tourney results.

After this? I'm in wait-and-see and constantly refreshing Texags for updates.

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I think the term you are looking for is marriage of convenience
themadmatter
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If he doesn't leave, I could live with that scenario. If there's any coach that can work with ackwardness, it's Buzz. Maybe, just maybe, if he's forced into staying and breaks that "six years, time to go" barrier, he could build a team he gets excited about and stay longer term.
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Rec said:

I think the term you are looking for is marriage of convenience


Marriage of convenience is usually two people that are choosing to be together albeit for some other reason than love. There is something good for them in it. Arranged marriage is a forced relationship. This is pretty much a forced relationship at this point I feel and they have no choice but to
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The upside of having a fanbase that doesn't care is that most people don't and won't even know about any of this.
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Open marriage?
MarcAg
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If he is back I'll be an A&M basketball fan still. But he's pissed me off in the last week to where I'm over him and not a Buzz guy. But I can still root for the players and just tune him out.

When Buzz blocked me the other day when I have said nothing but positive things about him, I told Method Man it was probably going to be my villain origin story and just maybe he becomes my arch enemy moving forward. Now all the reports about him throwing his name for all kinds of jobs for last month+ because he just wants out or here just adds to me no longer being a Buzz guy.
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Seven Costanza said:

The upside of having a fanbase that doesn't care is that most people don't and won't even know about any of this.


You have our fan base all wrong. If there is something to be unhappy about, our fans care a ton.
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Rec said:

Open marriage?


Maybe staying married and acting like everything is great to the outside world, but really the truth is they hate each other and are sleeping in separate bedrooms.
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Yep and both pursuing other relationships in the meantime
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What is this riff wbtween Buzz and AD that everyone thinks exists? Cant be about $$ cause Buzz is already a top paid coach and really hasnt deluvered at that level. Cant see him expecting AD to give him more. So what would the beef be about??
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Buzz is a joke of a game day coach
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Someone mentioned it in another thread, but this week is a good example of why he would probably be better off with an agent. He has no one he can deflect blame to for this week's clear effort to leave. It came from him or those absolutely closest to him.
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GoodAg Paulie said:

What is this riff wbtween Buzz and AD that everyone thinks exists? Cant be about $$ cause Buzz is already a top paid coach and really hasnt deluvered at that level. Cant see him expecting AD to give him more. So what would the beef be about??
Whatrver the specifics, the AD has let it get out of control with his silence. He's the leader of dept.; he has to be able to have been able to have found a pr solution to the bs public narrative, even if temporary.

Even if he's fuming, he, as the AD voice, could have pow wowed by now and both of em created a statement best for the school. And move on with their jobs. It's amateur hour. They don't have to be besties.

Solutions are supposed to be his bailiwick. Amazing not one media has point blank asked a question except to each other. They don't know squat, but know people will believe anything. They don't want an answer;they want speculation. Hell, nothing else worth jabbering about..

All be bird cage lining by Wednesday. .


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ok wait….. now basketball coach is on the outs with AD?
Wasnt the old baseball coach unhappy also and left replaced by a bargain basement salary baseball coach….. is AD gonna hire the assistant in basketball next for another bargain basement salary???
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alvtimes said:

ok wait….. now basketball coach is on the outs with AD?
Wasnt the old baseball coach unhappy also and left replaced by a bargain basement salary baseball coach….. is AD gonna hire the assistant in basketball next for another bargain basement salary???
The AD was hired to keep former state commissioners trollers happy…

I have zero clue what is going to happen. My opinion is we get overly excited about mediocre hires usually because they get us.
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If Buzz finds a taker the next hire will be bargain basement. Thats why Alberts is here.
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Rec said:

I think the term you are looking for is marriage of convenience


I'll add to both of yalls phrases with the word 'contract'. Obviously it's buzz' prerogative through the contract terms to pay a buyout if he wants to leave early, but he should not be acting like 'extension' talks are the reason things went sour. 2028 is 3 more years for crying out loud, why do you need an extension? He thinks he deserves more money? I love what he has done for the program, but he should have negotiated better on the front end or won more tournament games if he wants to act that way
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Even with players eligible to stay and with buzz on board we may be headed toward an ugly couple of years. It doesn't seem like he has replenished the freshmen class with guys ready to contribute
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All of this started with a random twitter account, correct?
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Might be hard to recruit if it's known that you want out. Guess we'll see.
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MarcAg said:

Rec said:

I think the term you are looking for is marriage of convenience


Marriage of convenience is usually two people that are choosing to be together albeit for some other reason than love. There is something good for them in it. Arranged marriage is a forced relationship. This is pretty much a forced relationship at this point I feel and they have no choice but to


It's an arranged marriage of convenience
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ahpetty33 said:

Even with players eligible to stay and with buzz on board we may be headed toward an ugly couple of years. It doesn't seem like he has replenished the freshmen class with guys ready to contribute
we'll transfer is the name of the game now

And I actually like some of the redshirting freshman as well as the Rencher kid
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Can anyone provide any proof of all these claims. Seems like the narrative keeps growing, but so far I have only seen internet speculation to everything. I am not saying it doesn't exist, just wanting a little further proof outside of internet posters. Just curious how much is real and how much of the story is growing based on posters that want to be the one in the know.
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I'm not impressed at all with Trev Alberts, and it doesn't bode well for any of our sports that our university needed to hire a an AD mostly known for cost-cutting, not winning programs. On the other hand, Buzz has been disappointing, and clearly doesn't deserve a raise. But continuing this arrangement at this point will be a disaster in my opinion. I don't think we'll be able to attract good players in the short run. Longer term, who has confidence in penny pinching Trev to hire a better coach? I'm losing hope for all Aggie sports…
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Remember when the experts said we were LSU was going to hire Jimbo Fisher away from A&M?

Hmmmm......


He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep
to gain what he cannot lose!



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MarcAg said:

If he is back I'll be an A&M basketball fan still. But he's pissed me off in the last week to where I'm over him and not a Buzz guy. But I can still root for the players and just tune him out.

When Buzz blocked me the other day when I have said nothing but positive things about him, I told Method Man it was probably going to be my villain origin story and just maybe he becomes my arch enemy moving forward. Now all the reports about him throwing his name for all kinds of jobs for last month+ because he just wants out or here just adds to me no longer being a Buzz guy.


Sounds like you are jaded from being blocked on social media and now you are just making up rumors that everyone is running with. It is really bizarre how no one seems to be questioning where all this is coming from. No one on texags really knows what is going on.
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If this is all about Buzz wanting a raise then he's delusional. Don't blame him for trying, but it's laughable. I would like to see the facts his agent presented. I cant see any metric where he can say Buzz is underpaid and deserves more. He has done an okay job and meets low expectations, but he is paid as a top level coach that should be exceeding our low expectations. Maybe they can negotiate a reasonable buyout and part ways.
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GoodAg Paulie said:

What is this riff wbtween Buzz and AD that everyone thinks exists? Cant be about $$ cause Buzz is already a top paid coach and really hasnt deluvered at that level. Cant see him expecting AD to give him more. So what would the beef be about??


Billy mentioned on TexAgs radio a week ago about Buzz being unhappy a basketball staffer was let go in the athletic department layoffs. Buzz has a lot of people on staff, a ton more than other coaches we have had, so it made sense there would be cuts there. So that's the main issue is and I can see Buzz holding a grudge over something like that.

Then apparently the athletic department is not happy with him over him throwing his name around for every job opening. And at the same time trying to get an extension/raise here.
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And then there's the thing where he has never been fired and ALWAYS has taken a new job by this point in his tenure.

We can point to many reasons and many of them are probably valid but the truth is he was probably doing this after losing 8 players no matter what. It's what he does.
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I like the consistency that Buzz was building here and I was hoping for him to be our long term coach. However, I was hoping for him to make some tweaks about his coaching strategy on offense and also his relationship with the fan base. If you check videos from Buzz before 2017ish, he was an overall approachable and less guarded person.

However, I am not sure how he gain the trust of the athletic department and fan base. Perhaps he will have to just being very transparent and say "yes, I was interested in returning to the DMV area due to my family preferences. Things did not work out and after meeting with our AD we think we can continue to partner and grow"...

I think MarcAg said that he thinks there is 20% chance he will get a job somewhere else. I think at this point it's less than that.

There were jobs with less "pedigree" such as Minnesota, Iowa, Xavier who hypothetically had the resources to offer him a salary similar but he was not mentioned (at least publicly). For whatever reason his name only was mentioned for Indiana, Xavier and Maryland which I think are long shots for him.

Maryland is only an option because of the messy athletic department they have... Perhaps similar to the mess we had when Woodward left.
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The problem with always having to move on is that the guy in the mirror is the reason…
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Does anyone know Cuban's wife? If only she could convince him that building a college basketball power would be the best way to make people forget the Luka trade…
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I don't know the truth about what has happened between Buzz and the AD if anything . If I had to guess I'd guess Buzz is trying to get more financial resources ( extension perhaps but not necessarily a raise , more assistant $, more NIL resources) and he was told no. Had the team won at least one more tourney game he probably would have been pilfered away by someone .

What I hope to see is he stays , he delivers a positive surprise next yr with what he has + incoming talent , this all goes away and he gets the resources he wants next yr and he retires here in 10 yrs or so with a ton of success under his belt. I think that's possible but admittedly not probable. Fans will be fine as long as the team wins.

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