This is what I think we are headed towards...

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It's extremely obvious what's going on. You don't even need access to a pay site.

There's a thread on here where I listed out all of the little yellow flags that made it seem like Buzz was probably leaving, and several regulars on this board, as far back as a month ago, were saying he was probably going to try and jump.
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MosesRAB-93 said:

Does anyone know Cuban's wife? If only she could convince him that building a college basketball power would be the best way to make people forget the Luka trade…
He didn't have involvement in the Luka trade and criticized it for not getting enough.
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Buzz looks to be managing his career like he has at his previous stops. He is trying to stay ahead of the mob that will be disappointed in his performance and want his job. He creates team peaks and wants more years and more money right after those peaks. We hired him at one of those peaks after his only Sweet 16 in the last 12 years. This was one of those peaks this season but the team didn't do what it was supposed to do. Now, the trust that our big money donors and administration have with Buzz is gutted. Our program at the center of his guaranteed contract was apparently not his primary concern. It was a high stakes gamble. Buzz created this problem for himself (and our program). He has to find a landing spot.
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bobinator said:

It's extremely obvious what's going on. You don't even need access to a pay site.

There's a thread on here where I listed out all of the little yellow flags that made it seem like Buzz was probably leaving, and several regulars on this board, as far back as a month ago, were saying he was probably going to try and jump.


Yellow flags and regulars making claims a month ago. Got it. I must have forgotten that frequently posting on a message board somehow makes those posters more knowledgeable. Thanks for confirming that no one on here actually knows what's going on.
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You're right, we could all be wrong. The national reporters, team beat reporters from here and other schools, Looch, the regular posters here. Even though all of us are telling the same story you're right, we could all be wrong.

Buzz could be locked in on his future at Texas A&M and hasn't floated his name for any of these jobs.
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It's obvious that he's shopping for something else. I guess what isn't obvious … to me anyway … is why ? I know the core of team is gone but that can be resolved with the portal . Is it because he doesn't have the resources to get adequate replacement players … or what?
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halfastros81 said:

I don't know the truth about what has happened between Buzz and the AD if anything . If I had to guess I'd guess Buzz is trying to get more financial resources ( extension perhaps but not necessarily a raise , more assistant $, more NIL resources) and he was told no. Had the team won at least one more tourney game he probably would have been pilfered away by someone .

What I hope to see is he stays , he delivers a positive surprise next yr with what he has + incoming talent , this all goes away and he gets the resources he wants next yr and he retires here in 10 yrs or so with a ton of success under his belt. I think that's possible but admittedly not probable. Fans will be fine as long as the team wins.




THIS.
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alvtimes said:

ok wait….. now basketball coach is on the outs with AD?
Wasnt the old baseball coach unhappy also and left replaced by a bargain basement salary baseball coach….. is AD gonna hire the assistant in basketball next for another bargain basement salary???


The alarms are starting for our AD!

I also do NOT understand this entire situation with Buzz. I honestly though that Buzz loved Aggieland and would be a coach for a lifetime as long as we wanted him here. We certainly pay him well.

Only thing that makes a bit of sense is simply that Maryland is a pure hoops school and will focus a lot of attention and money into basketball. And that also means that yes our AD denied Buzz some much desired funds to stay competitive and built upon his recent successes.

But A&M as a program and school, losing Buzz to Maryland is a terrible, terrible look. If this occurs, we are all delusional fans thinking every coach wants to come here for our facilities, NIL potentional and overall finances.

Something has smelled wrong for a long time and that awful smell is growing worse literally by the day or each sports weekend. Not sure our AD has made a single move that is impressive to A&M sport fans at this point. He is being more like Elon Musk right now and DOGE. A blackhole of mystery and decision making. If he seeks profitability as the primary metric of success, we are all screwed as fans.
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Maybe this is what he does? Look at his last year at Va Tech. Finished 12-6 but with only 2 ranked wins during regular season. to be fair this was a good ACC year, and most of the ranked loses were on the road.

His sweet 16 run included 2 wins over 13 seed st louis and 12 seed liberty.

At the end of the season he lost 2 of his top 3 scorers and left.
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It's not that Maryland is a better job or more hoops focused, both of which are probably true. It's that this is just Buzz being Buzz. It wouldn't be a bad look because he's done this twice before. People in the industry know this is what he does.
This is a unique scenario where I think losing a good coach doesn't really reflect on or say anything about the program itself.
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It's just what he does. Maybe he gets stir-crazy, maybe he feels like changing scenes every so often gives him a fresh outlook, maybe he just doesn't want to get into a situation where he could get fired. Who can say what really motivates him, he's a strange guy.

I think people ascribing any sort of normal reasons for him wanting to leave (NIL, program funds, etc.) are the ones that are just guessing and trying to make sense of the situation.

Sure, there are probably going to be some examples that float up that Buzz wanted and didn't get, especially from whatever school does eventually hire him. They're going to be trying to sell to their fan base that the reason Buzz wasn't more successful here is because we didn't give him what he needed.

But the thing is Buzz is never happy with what he has. It's why he has friction with every athletic director he's ever worked for. Even if you gave him everything he wanted he'd think of something else he wants. (That's not to say we did that, but it's just to say he's never happy.)
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Schlossnagle was leaving for tu no matter what imo. He had the prior relationship with their AD . I don't think that one is on Albert's . You could argue that replacing him with one of his assistants was on the AD but just because we're off to a bad start doesn't mean that it wasn't a good hire . It's too early to say ( pun not intended).
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Well if this is Buzz' strategy which is supported by his coaching decision changes prior to A&M then we are royally screwed.

Buzz holds ALL the cards including a solid grip on the neck of A&M basketball.

And worse, if he stays for next year, and does well then it is almost inevitable he leaves after 2026 with a lower buyout, etc.

Not sure A&M has any control of this situation whatsoever with Buzz other than agreeing to some of his demands so he stays for SEVERAL more years. But if he is honestly unhappy then he is leaving either way...we just may have to wait until he gets another spike in his coaching success.

Sucks as Buzz is my favorite overall active A&M coach and there is not competition on that front.
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The fact that Joni Taylor is still employed as the women's basketball coach should tell you a lot about Alberts. He was brought in only to clean house and make the athletic department more financially stable. We're gonna suck at everything for a quite a while, which has been the norm for decades anyway.
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I dunno, the situation is definitely awkward, but like MarcAg said there's some pros.

The biggest one is that he's going to have to put a good team on the floor if he wants another job.

But he's also going to ask himself why he isn't a hotter commodity. Surely getting A&M to three straight tournaments, into the second round two years in a row, a four seed, etc. would make you a top target if you wanted out, so why is he having a hard time finding somewhere to jump? He's going to have to ask himself that and make some adjustments to his style if he wants to be more attractive to higher level programs.
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A few posts ago you blamed it on the AD and then you said A& M may have no control of the situation. Which one do you believe ?

The AD certainly has some constraints … like everyone in every job everywhere and always . That situation is tough because of the whole Jimbo fiasco but that also was not on Alberts. That certainly doesn't help but I also don't think it put us in a situation that is quite as bad as people think because the payout is over time. Again, it damned sure doesn't help things to be sure.
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Nobody is going to want to hear any of his speeches about "high character" etc this season
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Have you ever been in a job where you felt you didn't like the situation for whatever reason and so you looked for another one? I have. To me it's higher character to not say anything to your current employer vs telling them that your'e 100% committed and then leaving like Schlossnagle did.

Difference being I never signed a contract to work for a specified employer for a specified time period. That's kind of the "sports world" rub imo. If you have a contract you should honor it. I suppose they have some sort of "out clause" in their contracts tho.
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Player To Be Named Later said:

Nobody is going to want to hear any of his speeches about "high character" etc this season
Nobody can tell him otherwise…
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chick79 said:

The fact that Joni Taylor is still employed as the women's basketball coach should tell you a lot about Alberts. He was brought in only to clean house and make the athletic department more financially stable. We're gonna suck at everything for a quite a while, which has been the norm for decades anyway.


You really wanna waste money buying out the coach of a sport that loses money and very few folks care about?
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NyAggie said:

chick79 said:

The fact that Joni Taylor is still employed as the women's basketball coach should tell you a lot about Alberts. He was brought in only to clean house and make the athletic department more financially stable. We're gonna suck at everything for a quite a while, which has been the norm for decades anyway.


You really wanna waste money buying out the coach of a sport that loses money and very few folks care about?
For clarity, how much do basketball and baseball "make"?? Be specific and show your source…
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MosesRAB-93 said:

Does anyone know Cuban's wife? If only she could convince him that building a college basketball power would be the best way to make people forget the Luka trade…
I believe Cuban only owns a minority interest in the Mavs and had nothing to do with the Luka trade.
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According to 247's Carter Karels, in FY24 Men's Basketball lost $2.1M and women's basketball lost $6.2M.

Though that men's number isn't the whole story because obviously men's basketball makes up a huge chunk of the media rights A&M gets. Those aren't broken down by sport but if they were the men's basketball program would clearly at least break even.
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https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/new-faces-new-places-why-did-buzz-williams-leave-marquette-for-vt/
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If Buzz stays with us, he must hire a PR person ASAP. He made what it seems a very deliberate change in the way he communicates to the press, fans and overall the way he portrays himself around 2017-2018. He used to be a very approachable coach with the local/national media and fans and used to be less guarded and less "formal"/serious. This formal/serious approach to fan/school engagement makes it even harder to make a "come back" in a situation like the one he puts himself in. At this point, it is evident that he is not getting a new job and he will stay here and earn a good salary at $4.6M in one of the best basketball conferences, in a town that lets you be who you are but ask in return some basic engagement (heck even Schloss said "Howdy").

Here are some examples of what Buzz used to be in terms of being more approachable and engaged with fans from his time at Marquette and VT.

Virginia Tech:
2014-2019
Buzz reading "mean tweets" about him and laughing about it (here)
Buzz is letting Barstool to visit their VT gym and do a sketches (here)
Buzz celebrating with VT fans after NIT win (here)

Marquette
2008-2014
Buzz participating in karaoke video (here)
Buzz participating family weekend at Marquette with students/parents (here)



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Perhaps women's basketball is not a revenue generator, but it's still important. It's at least number four in the pecking order of most important programs for any athletic department. The fact that the sips are on the verge of a final four with an Aggie coach is embarrassing especially considering we finished dead last in the SEC. The A.D. screwed up big time not getting Vic here before Gary retired. Now we're a laughingstock once again.
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He ain't staying long. It's his MO. Had very good success at Marquette. Leaves them for ACC bottom feeder VaTech. Had good success there. Leaves them for us. Has variable success here. Is about to move on. It's what he does. Leaves before the slightest word of "fan unhappiness" or whatever his thing is.

I don't think he'll be the coach here next year due to it being 6 years since he got here and the roster rebuild. If he is here, it's because he couldn't find another comparable job.
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Thisguy1 said:

All of this started with a random twitter account, correct?


I believe that random account was the first one that linked him to Maryland but it became real once Jeff Goodman reported on Friday morning that Buzz had reached out to them and was actively trying to throw his hat in the ring.
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1) Does Maryland's fanbase and their local media shows seem like they even want him?

2) Maryland has only an interim AD right now and the last coach left at least partly (apparently) because of frustration with resources. Buzz still trying to make this move despite not knowing who the AD will be, despite possible issues with resources over there if whatever bothered Willard is going to bother him as well, leaving Texas for the NE, perhaps even taking a pay cut particularly if you take into account state tax differences...really says a lot to how desperate Buzz is to get out of College Station.

3) If Buzz is that desperate to make a move, and if Maryland doesn't hire him, will that hire open up a school vacancy that Buzz would also be interested in? At whom else is Maryland looking at?
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if Maryland doesn't hire him, will that hire open up a school vacancy that Buzz would also be interested in? At whom else is Maryland looking at?
I think this is far more likely than him going to Maryland. Maryland creates an opening that might want him.

Or someone else retires or something and that creates another series of dominoes.
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bobinator said:


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if Maryland doesn't hire him, will that hire open up a school vacancy that Buzz would also be interested in? At whom else is Maryland looking at?
I think this is far more likely than him going to Maryland. Maryland creates an opening that might want him.

Or someone else retires or something and that creates another series of dominoes.
Bob, exactly. Buzz trying to go to Maryland which frankly at this specific moment doesn't seem like a 'better' fit/situation for him to jump into versus staying at A&M...it says this is more about him having a strong desire to get out of A&M than exactly where the next job is. So if not Maryland, then what is his minimum criteria that he is willing to accept just to get out? Which of course we don't really know, other than Maryland apparently meets it.
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I mean the biggest, and maybe only, thing is the money involved. It has to be somewhere that can at least get close. And not just his salary, but the whole staff. I do think he'd take a slight pay cut if the number for the whole staff worked out.

I don't even think Buzz cares if it's a "better" basketball job if they can make the money work.
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Comments from Billy on the radio this morning.

  • Buzz didn't have a relationship with Bjork.
  • Buzz was upset one of his administrators was fired in the cost cutting moves.
  • Mentioned Trev has a "daily relationship" with Elko and Earley. This was a general conversation about Aggie athletics and state of things, not during Buzz talk. But interesting that he didn't mention Buzz. Unrelated to Buzz, but Billy said Schloss went out of his way to not have a relationship with Trev because A&M didn't hire the AD Schloss wanted.
  • Buzz should have come out and squashed this and said there is no truth to this and that would have gone along way with recruiting and fans. Billy said this is the most aggravating thing. But there is a reason he hasn't All these people across the country saying he is letting it known he is available shows this is probably true
  • If it's true and he comes back then it's going to be "awkward and uncomfortable".
  • If it's true then what is best for him and A&M is he leaves. "In a perfect world right now, Buzz Williams gets the Maryland job, but I don't think he is at the top of Maryland's list". (Basically again saying it is true.)
  • A&M can't fire him and pay $16 million as that is going to take away money from other things.
  • Billy doesn't know how this thing ends. Said maybe we are wrong and Buzz is their guy and they are waiting until that buyout drops on April 1st. Basketball is one of the only two sports that can make you money. You need to be really good at basketball. This is not a basketball school, but neither are these other schools in the SEC having success.
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He ought to resign. RESIGN
 
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