Buckyball question

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If we want to keep Buckyball in Aggieland, we better pony up some big bucks and do everything we can to make him happy here. It may not be enough in the end when the blue bloods come calling, but let's not give him away. I've seen enough to realize he's the real deal.
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Decay said:

We have some crafty prayers for sure. It shows up in those extended sequences. Agee, Hill, Isaacs, Dominguez, even Dibba all have that basketball IQ to stay in it when things are way off script

My favorite is "Rub-a-dub-dub, thanks for the grub, Amen."
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Marksman made a dooooosh post and I called him out for it. It wasn't made at me, but dick moves like that ruin this already slow board for those of us who enjoy honest discussion and dont mind people asking questions. No other user names.

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Little Rock Ag said:

If we want to keep Buckyball in Aggieland, we better pony up some big bucks and do everything we can to make him happy here. It may not be enough in the end when the blue bloods come calling, but let's not give him away. I've seen enough to realize he's the real deal.

Less worried about blue bloods and more worried about if Nate Oats ever leaves Alabama for the NBA or something. Bucky has openly said he's been a life long Bama guy, wouldn't be surprised to see a Bear Bryant situation.
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Yes, they will adjust and play us better.

But, also yes, we will get better with players playing multiple season in this system and, no disrespect intended, better players.
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jeremy said:

Marksman made a dooooosh post and I called him out for it. It wasn't made at me, but dick moves like that ruin this already slow board for those of us who enjoy honest discussion and dont mind people asking questions. No other user names.



Wow wasn't aware anything I said could come off as a ***** post. You must be really soft.
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Maybe I misread the tone. Sounded short and unnecessary. Im super soft.
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I've been pleasantly surprised at how well Bucky has coached some of the details of good offensive sets and defensive principles.

Good offense like we are playing scales. We have shooter but we also have guards that get to the bucket - Hill, Holloway, Dibba. Bucky wants guys with skill and it shows. That'll translate.

I really don't think our success is about the press solely.
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Lane is really good at getting to the bucket as well but he picks his spots carefully . I think Lane is also very good at calming the team down when things are starting to go sideways in the half court.
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Bluecat_Aggie94 said:

TheDecadeSapling said:

The style is pretty unique so I don't know that it's something you adapt to. We run like crazy and play a ton of guys. We also have so many threats there's no way to guard them all.


People keep saying it is unique. I sure wish someone would explain what is unique about it.

1) Full court press the entire game. This is far and away the most unique aspect of Buckyball imo. Not many (any?) P4 schools do this.
2) Playing 10 players significant minutes. Although you can argue we only play 9, as neither Vinson or Federico have been getting more than 5 most conf games. Most programs only go 7 to 8 players deep.
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It's also not just the press, it's the variety of presses. We attack you full court a lot of different ways, even of missed baskets. That's extremely rare.
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TexasAGGIEinAR said:

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I compare Buckyball to 40 minutes of hell with Rollin with Nolan. Nothing new under the sun. How many remember those Razorback teams?


I'm an Arkansan and grew up in the Nolan era. I went to a ton of Pig games at Ole Miss (I'm from south of Memphis) and SWC tournaments at Reunion Arena. It was always great watching his teams. This feels very similar. It especially will once our talent improves. Just need Bucky to wear cowboy boots like Nolan!

But….if things start to go awry, let's hope we don't have bitter fans that go shoot his horses like Pig fans did to Nolan.


Yes, our South Texas family made the annual trip to the Summit in Houston and then later to Barnhill South in Dallas to call the Hogs under Eddie and then Nolan. My grandfather had a cropdusting/flying business in Refugio and Wright, Arkansas. We became Texas Aggie fans when my daughter, Class of 2014, became the first Aggie and petroleum engineer in the family.

I also worked in Snyder, Texas, where Nolan was beloved prior to going to Tulsa. I believe he is still the only coach to win national championships at three different college levels. Maybe, Bucky can be the first to win a jr. high district title, a high school state championship, and a college national championship. Gig'em with Buckyball!!!
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Quote:

I also worked in Snyder, Texas, where Nolan was beloved prior to going to Tulsa.

Snyder is a small community and those who attended Nolan Richardson's Western Texas College games is even smaller. Would you happen to remember a very passionate and, uhm... "opiniated" fan regular that was either in a wheelchair or on crutches? If so, that would be my uncle. He was trying to tell us about Nolan before he went to Tulsa, but we didn't take him seriously until he got to Arkansas.
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FBraggie said:

Nate Oates' first year was not his best, it was his worst. And since then, Sweet Sixteen, made the tourney, Sweet Sixteen, Final Four, Elite Eight, this year...

He's had a mostly upward trajectory from year one, not the other way around.


This

Oats second season he was 16-2 in the sec but he was also 16-2 in his 4th sec season and 13-5 in each of the last 2 sec seasons

The guy in the tweet is wrong and just making stuff up to push his narrative
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I think it's still going to cause problems because team don't see it very often in the season. So I don't know that seeing it twice is going to make coaches figure it out. Players aren't seeing it week in and week out so because of that I expect it to continue to be a problem. Now if 6 other SEC teams started playing like then it might lose some of ifs advantage as team will see if more often
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You're right. It's not unique at all. Its the same thing everyone else does
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Unfortunately, I moved to Snyder after Nolan left, but he was beloved by many. That little jr college is/was the best kept secret in West Texas. From basketball, golf, and rodeo, it had an incredible history. They named the golf course after Sammy Baugh who played a lot of golf there. I was fortunate enough to meet Sammy and play a round with him.
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I had a college professor who mentioned that he used to referee Nolan's games at WTC. When I asked him about my uncle he replied "Ohhh yeah, I remember him! He's your uncle?" Apparently my uncle was something of a ref heckler. I know he heckled the umpires at Snyder High's baseball games to the point that they threatened to ban him if he didn't tone it down.
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First time I've tuned into this thread. A lot of good points. A couple questions occurred to me. Some of us have tended to focus on Bucky having little time to put the team together, with a suggestion that he couldn't necessarily get "his guys" (although we obviously have some true studs). Maybe it's Bucky's ability to recognize talent or the willingness of these particular players to buy into his system. But, whatever, it's working. How difficult will it be each year to find vereran (or high school) players to create this kind of chemistry and will more highly recruited players have the same buy-in?

Second thing. Early on, I thought back to Nolan Richardson's "40 Minutes of Hell" but now I'm not so sure. As one who doesn't have the basketball knowledge of a lot of you, I've been impressed with the intricacy of what you've described (such as Jeremy's four keys). I thought of Richardson's style as being more about the full court press. Are there major differences between Bucky Ball and Nolan's "40 Minutes of Hell?"
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This team couldn't even practice during the summer because they only had 5 players. The rest of the team showed up when school started. This team is just now learning how to play together and are just learning how to really play how Bucky wants them to play. Bucky grabbed a bunch of hard working players that noone else really wanted and he is turning them into assassins that truly love playing together and are playing without fear. Nothing short of amazing!!
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For what it's worth, I'm certain Bucky knew about these portal guys and probably even sent them a pitch from Samford. Not really in the space to pull them except a couple. But he absolutely didn't start looking after the plane landed in Easterwood.
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Oh I don't think so at all. Mgbako, Griffin, Hill, Isaacs, Agee, Vinson, Federiko... none of those guys were ever coming to Samford. Why waste the time and effort?

Now I do assume that coaches have some kind of prospect database, so he probably had some kind of system of immediately knowing which players might be in play if he jumped jobs.
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AGDAD14 said:

Unfortunately, I moved to Snyder after Nolan left, but he was beloved by many. That little jr college is/was the best kept secret in West Texas. From basketball, golf, and rodeo, it had an incredible history. They named the golf course after Sammy Baugh who played a lot of golf there. I was fortunate enough to meet Sammy and play a round with him.

I knew Baugh as well. Great man. Dude cussed more than anyone I ever met and I liked it.
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greg.w.h said:

The commentators referred to it as a lot of unscripted basketball which sounds like we improvise a bunch. Won't say that can't be defended, but it s surprising SEC teams a bit.


Yeah, our offense is our unselfishness and ball movement. The team is all about finding the open shooter rather than "get across half court-> get into set play->core or reset/repeat".

Another element is, even if you know it's coming, it's tough to replicate the 94ft press and how that wears on your mental game. You heard it in Griffen's anecdote from Josh Hubbard after the State game, if you're playing the Aggies you aren't going to get 8 seconds to catch your breath and regroup as you bring the ball up. You'll get hounded on the inbounds, you might get trapped, and if you turn it over we're gonna find Dominguez/Griffen/Clemence/Lane/Dibba/Issacs for a 3 and then you get to do all that over again.
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