Surely we can do better than snagging DBU's coach...

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In reply to swimmerbabe11 • 8:08a, 6/28/24
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swimmerbabe11 said:
I expect these reactions from people who pay attention to baseball only in June if the ags are in it...but I'm disappointed in the seasonal regulars underestimating Heefner and his skillset..or thinking that being the only team who could drag him away after so many others have failed wouldn't be a "splash" It's really surprising and disappointing tbh.
Swimmer, I would be happy with him. Most Aggies will not, because of the same attitudes that got Rob Childress fired. Very successful, but not in the way that they want.

I think it is a moot point, however, since as you mentioned, he probably gets offers every year from big name schools and has not left. He has a good thing at DBU, he likes it there. I'm not sure he would leave.
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8:15a, 6/28/24
the funny thing is, the ONLY thing that I think he would struggle with is... well you people. The BOR, the BMA, the kissing babies, the politics of it all. That's a significant part of the job that he hasn't had to navigate for 17 years.

I have no doubt he could succeed in huge ways if left alone and given yalls resources....but that's not what is expected at a school like this.

I bet every P5 school makes the call to his agent. He is one of the most respected coach's in the industry.. Being the school that finally convinced him to leave his comfort zone, while his boys are still in college, would very "splashy" indeed.
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8:15a, 6/28/24
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Vitello - asst Arkansas
Johnson (LSU) - HC Arizona
Lemonis - HC Indiana
Bianco - HC McNeese
O'Sullivan - asst. Clemson
Corbin - asst Clemson
Casey (OSU) - HC George Fox University
Gilmore (Coastal) - HC USC Aiken
Tanner - HC NC State

All national title winners. Don't exactly see the "splash" hires in there. I could widen the lens to CWS participants, but I really only care about titles.

Get off your high horse on what we think we deserve and hire the best man for the job. Whoever that may be.
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In reply to histag10 • 8:19a, 6/28/24
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Who was the tu AD he turned down?
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In reply to swimmerbabe11 • 8:19a, 6/28/24
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swimmerbabe11 said:
I expect these reactions from people who pay attention to baseball only in June if the ags are in it...but I'm disappointed in the seasonal regulars underestimating Heefner and his skillset..or thinking that being the only team who could drag him away after so many others have failed wouldn't be a "splash" It's really surprising and disappointing tbh.
You quickly find out that some of the board regulars, royalty, are not truly baseball people in the purest sense, they're just board regulars. They may know Aggie baseball, but not the baseball landscape as a whole. Heefner would be a homerun hire.

I'm sure I'll get lambasted for this, but it will just further cement my evaluation of these people. I purposely keep quiet on some of these issues, but enjoy reading the ramblings. From personal experience, I knew Schloss was a good coach, a good CEO, but he was a first rate jackass and we were not unique to his antics.
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In reply to Texas_Ag11 • 8:20a, 6/28/24
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Texas_Ag11 said:
Vitello - asst Arkansas
Johnson (LSU) - HC Arizona
Lemonis - HC Indiana
Bianco - HC McNeese
O'Sullivan - asst. Clemson
Corbin - asst Clemson
Casey (OSU) - HC George Fox University
Gilmore (Coastal) - HC USC Aiken
Tanner - HC NC State

All national title winners. Don't exactly see the "splash" hires in there. I could widen the lens to CWS participants, but I really only care about titles.

Get off your high horse on what we think we deserve and hire the best man for the job. Whoever that may be.
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8:31a, 6/28/24
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FWIW, DBU has 3 players in MLB and 32 others playing pro ball. https://dbupatriots.com/news/2023/9/14/baseball-patriots-in-the-pros-update.aspx

UVA has 9 players in the bigs. Including Josh Sborz who closed out the WS for the Rangers. Fewer players than DBU in minors. https://virginiasports.com/cavaliers-in-the-pros/
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In reply to Ag1188 • 8:33a, 6/28/24
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Ag1188 said:
histag10 said:
He's been there a long time because he has wanted to be. He turns down offers pretty much every year. Hell- he turned down tu, and then they went with pierce. No one thought he would leave DBU, but schools constantly try to get him to.
what SEC offers had he turned down?
Lol, you really can't comprehend how this works. If I were to bet, I'd say every opening that didn't have an immediate step in in place. But we'll never know because schools failures in hires are not broadcast.
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In reply to RGLAG85 • 8:38a, 6/28/24
AD: "Hey Agent, we'd like to speak about the opening"
Agent: "my job is very easy. thank you so much for the call, I am told to be very polite and to offer to pray with you before I get off the call, however, the answer is lolno"

AD: "MAYBE I SHOULD TELL THE PRESS!"
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In reply to Artimus Gordon • 8:38a, 6/28/24
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At DBU. Here he would be ultra competitive every year.

There are never any guarantees. Look no further than ******nozzle and Jimbo. I hope our hubris doesn't screw this up
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8:39a, 6/28/24
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Heefner was my first choice as soon as I heard we needed a new coach. Would be a homerun hire.

I did not get my hopes up bc he's turned down so many other offers. Here's to hoping the Aggie job is one he cannot say no to.
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8:45a, 6/28/24
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Anyone trying to dismiss a candidate by simply mentioning other candidates from the same sort of circumstances failing is just being obtuse.

You can find big school assistants who won big. You can find big school assistants who flamed out.
You can find big school winning HC who won big. You can find big school winning HC who flamed out.
You can find small school HC who won big. You can find small school HC who flamed out.

The whole "this feels like <insert coach who failed> to me" is the height of cherry picking data.

There are probably like 3-5 guys that would be "OMG, SLAM DUNK" type hires. Most of those guys aren't interested in moving. And despite people saying stuff like "Make them move", it doesn't work that way. Also, with regard to pretty much every sport, this board has a collection of folks who question every single call, melt down during wins, etc. The idea that suddenly these folks "know" what makes a successful hire is suspect, at best.
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In reply to Sean98 • 8:52a, 6/28/24
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Sean98 said:
I run a very successful small business. A few million bucks in revenue, so nice but nothing crazy. I might be able to step in as the CEO of Microsoft tomorrow. ...but I might not. It's the same, but different. The scale of everything is different, the demands are different, the people are different. It's not a zero sum, "it worked there so it's transportable here" issue. That's my concern with Heefner. Not that he's not a good coach or a good person, but that he's never done anything at the size and scale he may soon be asked to do it at. At this level managing personalities and time is likely more important than baseball development. That's what your staff is here for. How does he manage NIL? How does he manage the donors that are, let's face it, just ****ing insufferable that make the NIL possible? He's never had to carve time out of his schedule for they level of nonsense that he'll face here.

Will it work? Maybe. Perhaps even 'probably.' but it's not a certainty.

As for an O'Connor-type, you saw the last 2 weeks exactly why he might move. ACC record vs SEC in the CWS... 0-5. He went to back to back finals in '14-15. Since then the SEC has had 6 different teams win the title. The money disparity is growing larger. The ACC TV revenue is getting smaller (comparatively) by the year and they're locked in an awful deal for another 12 years at which time the conference probably dies. I'm not saying he's looking to jump ship, he can be picky. But A&M is arguably a Top 5 job between geography, fan support and finances. That's why he might leave.


Great write up.
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8:54a, 6/28/24
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Heefner it is. Hopefully we are not giving him some ridiculous amount of money. I can be on board, lets just set ground rules of what we want in our program.

Hopefully he is up for an entirely different challenge than what he has done for the last 17 years at DBU where he has built good men of faith to go be successful in MLB and life.

New challenge is to annually build a roster to punch other SEC rosters in the mouth. And then at the end of the year, adapt, change, reassess and re recruit an entirely new team to do it again at the highest level in college baseball.

I think that is everyone's biggest concerns. Putting kids in MLB is great, but those don't equate to winning or else that would be the goal of other programs. No where on an SEC championship or CWS trophy does it have a spot for "put xx kids in the MLB"
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In reply to Come Out Roll • 9:00a, 6/28/24
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Yes.

The landscape is changing and adapting to the change requires situational awareness and context. That is why tu swooped in on a proven winner and plucked him out of a bit of AD and leadership disarray.

Heefner will work, but if he is not successful very fast, we can easily be 3 years down the road, forgotten about on the national stage and patting ourselves on the back for another two guys getting drafted while tu and the rest of the SEC is hoisting trophies.

Most of the not Heefner crowd probably knows the admin would not have it in them after 2 years to shift gears and conduct proper back channel 6 month hire/fire process to switch it up if it doesn't work out.
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9:01a, 6/28/24
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Give me Heefner and Cliff!
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In reply to SonOf_an_Ag • 9:03a, 6/28/24
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I stopped reading after you capitalized tu!
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9:05a, 6/28/24
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I think if it happened, we should be happy about it.

There's no dispute from anyone in college baseball that the guy has the "coaching baseball" part figured out.

Just about every coaching job in Texas with an opening for the past decade has tried to hire him.
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In reply to Build It • 9:06a, 6/28/24
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edited, apologies
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In reply to swimmerbabe11 • 9:08a, 6/28/24
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swimmerbabe11 said:
AD: "Hey Agent, we'd like to speak about the opening"
Agent: "my job is very easy. thank you so much for the call, I am told to be very polite and to offer to pray with you before I get off the call, however, the answer is lolno"

AD: "MAYBE I SHOULD TELL THE PRESS!"
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9:10a, 6/28/24
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Yeah, the idea of preferring a sexy name over a legit player's coach is completely baffling to me. I mean, look at what Heefner's done at DBU -- his teams are consistent. As far as I'm concerned, he's proven himself.

So if it's Heefner, I'm not sure what hire would legitimately be better.
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9:15a, 6/28/24
It's like no one learned after the Jimbo splash hire.
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9:19a, 6/28/24
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I couldn't care less about having a "splash" hire. I'm more interested in hiring someone that win national championships.
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In reply to Eric Forman • 9:20a, 6/28/24
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Doesn't seem to be anybody saying we have to have a "sexy name".

People on here just pointing out pros and cons of bringing someone in who has had success in DII with rosters stacked with MLB talent vs bringing in someone who has had success competing for national titles on the biggest stage at the CWS.
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In reply to SonOf_an_Ag • 9:25a, 6/28/24
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SonOf_an_Ag said:
Doesn't seem to be anybody saying we have to have a "sexy name".

People on here just pointing out pros and cons of bringing someone in who has had success in DII with rosters stacked with MLB talent vs bringing in someone who has had success competing for national titles on the biggest stage at the CWS.


DBU isn't DII. They play baseball at the DI level with less students than seats in BBP. They are one of only 5 teams to make a regional in every year of the last 9 years.
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In reply to ensign_beedrill • 9:27a, 6/28/24
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ensign_beedrill said:
I like Heefner, I think he's a good coach, I don't think his methods will work out at A&M where he's not the one in charge of everything. (Baseball is DBU's only D1 sport and their AD basically reports to him.)



I don't see why something similar couldn't happen here. Football has practically outgrown the AD, so why not give baseball more autonomy. If he wants that kind of responsibility and wants to play the role of coach and part time AD, then let him.
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9:28a, 6/28/24
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We'd be VERY fortunate to have him as a coach. Would be a great hire.
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In reply to histag10 • 9:29a, 6/28/24
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And have put more players into MLB than all but 8 other programs including A& M.
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9:29a, 6/28/24
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I don't care about a splash hire, I just want someone with experience at a major program and dealing with the recruiting and NIL that goes with it. I'd even take a top assistant like Elander over Heefner. Also concerned that Heefner won't be able to pull top talent if he brings his rules/requirements with him.
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9:30a, 6/28/24
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Feels a lot like the Elko hire, underwhelming for most Ags who will then be told that they don't know what they are talking about by the TexAgs experts.
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In reply to halfastros81 • 9:30a, 6/28/24
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halfastros81 said:
And have put more players into MLB than all but 8 other programs including A& M.
So he does have talent? Everyone says DBU can't pull enough talent, which is why they've only made two supers
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In reply to ElephantRider • 9:32a, 6/28/24
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He puts more players in MLB than all but 8 programs with aforementioned player rules ….at DBU . He recognizes potential and develops it.
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In reply to ElephantRider • 9:35a, 6/28/24
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ElephantRider said:
halfastros81 said:
And have put more players into MLB than all but 8 other programs including A& M.
So he does have talent? Everyone says DBU can't pull enough talent, which is why they've only made two supers


He has development. He's the equivalent of a football coach putting 2 & 3*'s in the draft every year
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In reply to SonOf_an_Ag • 9:36a, 6/28/24
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SonOf_an_Ag said:
Doesn't seem to be anybody saying we have to have a "sexy name".

People on here just pointing out pros and cons of bringing someone in who has had success in DII with rosters stacked with MLB talent vs bringing in someone who has had success competing for national titles on the biggest stage at the CWS.

Your consistently ignorant and awful baseball takes are painful to read
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