Are we really keeping kids cooped up another month?

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SirLurksALot said:

Proposition Joe said:

SirLurksALot said:

bay fan said:

Capitol Ag said:

grassmastersbcs said:

I just realized Capitol Ag is trolling. Nevermind, carry on.


This is a first! Being accused of trolling I mean! For that, I thank you for a nice morning laugh. Seriously.

Look, these threads become pointless unfortunately b/c too many on here, on all sides of this issue, can't keep things emotionally limited and refrain from serious discussion. I'm for as much limit as possible but also can see why that can be harder for some to do and is very different depending on which poster you have a discussion with. Some on here think of you go to the grocery store at all your breaking the rules. Others say this is all BS and an over-abundance of caution that's is not necessary. Some seem to really want a real lockdown, others to start work Monday. But I'd argue actually that about 96 (WHOOP!) % of us all pretty much agree for the most part on the same things. Following the guidelines of our State and Governor and what almost all medical docs are telling us to do. In the end, let's be able to debate here with out judgement and with grace and understanding. When you happen to be a 55-70 year old woman who lives alone, it's probably very easy to say "stay at home and just deal with this and we can stay healthy and get this over with" and aren't in the same situation where you have 3 young children and 2 adults in the same household who really do have certain needs that are completely different than the previously mentioned person. If I were a 40 something living alone, I'd have to go out more as I have food and shopping to do and real needs I'd would have to take care of. A single mom or dad will have a different situation as well. Guess what, those won't all be handled in the same way by everyone. Again, the experts are not trying to "stop" the spread, they are telling us to try to do our part to slow it down. I honestly think we are, the vast majority of us. The question will be if what is happening will work or not and will it be enough. We will know by May. In the meantime let's all stay healthy and we can all get together in early August at the Texags Kickoff and have a drink and a laugh while looking back at this time in our lives
Do you really think letting your kids play with the neighbor kids falls any where near an essential risk worth taking? Let's just all be honest, it's simply convenient and a good bit of lazy parenting, greater good be damned.

Selfish attitudes will only prolong this situation for those of us abiding by the guidelines. If anyone thinks no work/income or socializing with my friends is fun for me, for the record it's not. So do your share and follow the rules so we can put this in the rear view mirror.

It is inaccurate to say that social distancing will get us back to normal quicker. It won't. It's only function is to prevent us from going over hospital capacity and to buy time for better treatment options.

I dunno about you, but part of what i consider normal is being able to go to the hospital and be treated for a serious ailment without a worry that they won't have a bed for me.

So yes, by social distancing and preventing us from going over hospital capacity it will help us get back to normal quicker.

We're trying to slow the spread of the virus. Allowing ones kids to play with other neighborhood kids does not help slow the spread of the virus. It's a really easy concept to grasp.


If being able to go to the hospital is the only thing you need for you life to be back to normal then good for you. For the rest of us in the real world we have other concerns.


How about simply trying to prevent the spread of the virus to other people? You make it sound like we should all live carefree if our local hospitals aren't overwhelmed. For every family that is bending the rules, they are just increasing the chances of others getting it. It's like some of you can't comprehend that people are asymptomatic for several days with this virus and can spread it to others. Perhaps some of us (likely most) would like to lower the odds of getting the virus and maybe not get it at all.
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Whether or not the hospitals are overrun, right now if you get sick you are in there by yourself. No visitors. I would prefer to reach a point where that is no longer the case. I'd like to know that if any of my family get sick they will not be alone.
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aggierogue said:

SirLurksALot said:

Proposition Joe said:

SirLurksALot said:

bay fan said:

Capitol Ag said:

grassmastersbcs said:

I just realized Capitol Ag is trolling. Nevermind, carry on.


This is a first! Being accused of trolling I mean! For that, I thank you for a nice morning laugh. Seriously.

Look, these threads become pointless unfortunately b/c too many on here, on all sides of this issue, can't keep things emotionally limited and refrain from serious discussion. I'm for as much limit as possible but also can see why that can be harder for some to do and is very different depending on which poster you have a discussion with. Some on here think of you go to the grocery store at all your breaking the rules. Others say this is all BS and an over-abundance of caution that's is not necessary. Some seem to really want a real lockdown, others to start work Monday. But I'd argue actually that about 96 (WHOOP!) % of us all pretty much agree for the most part on the same things. Following the guidelines of our State and Governor and what almost all medical docs are telling us to do. In the end, let's be able to debate here with out judgement and with grace and understanding. When you happen to be a 55-70 year old woman who lives alone, it's probably very easy to say "stay at home and just deal with this and we can stay healthy and get this over with" and aren't in the same situation where you have 3 young children and 2 adults in the same household who really do have certain needs that are completely different than the previously mentioned person. If I were a 40 something living alone, I'd have to go out more as I have food and shopping to do and real needs I'd would have to take care of. A single mom or dad will have a different situation as well. Guess what, those won't all be handled in the same way by everyone. Again, the experts are not trying to "stop" the spread, they are telling us to try to do our part to slow it down. I honestly think we are, the vast majority of us. The question will be if what is happening will work or not and will it be enough. We will know by May. In the meantime let's all stay healthy and we can all get together in early August at the Texags Kickoff and have a drink and a laugh while looking back at this time in our lives
Do you really think letting your kids play with the neighbor kids falls any where near an essential risk worth taking? Let's just all be honest, it's simply convenient and a good bit of lazy parenting, greater good be damned.

Selfish attitudes will only prolong this situation for those of us abiding by the guidelines. If anyone thinks no work/income or socializing with my friends is fun for me, for the record it's not. So do your share and follow the rules so we can put this in the rear view mirror.

It is inaccurate to say that social distancing will get us back to normal quicker. It won't. It's only function is to prevent us from going over hospital capacity and to buy time for better treatment options.

I dunno about you, but part of what i consider normal is being able to go to the hospital and be treated for a serious ailment without a worry that they won't have a bed for me.

So yes, by social distancing and preventing us from going over hospital capacity it will help us get back to normal quicker.

We're trying to slow the spread of the virus. Allowing ones kids to play with other neighborhood kids does not help slow the spread of the virus. It's a really easy concept to grasp.


If being able to go to the hospital is the only thing you need for you life to be back to normal then good for you. For the rest of us in the real world we have other concerns.


How about simply trying to prevent the spread of the virus to other people? You make it sound like we should all live carefree if our local hospitals aren't overwhelmed. For every family that is bending the rules, they are just increasing the chances of others getting it. It's like some of you can't comprehend that people are asymptomatic for several days with this virus and can spread it to others. Perhaps some of us (likely most) would like to lower the odds of getting the virus and maybe not get it at all.


I only said that following social distancing will not get us back to normal faster. I didn't say that people shouldn't follow the guidelines.

With that said, everything is about risk management. It is unreasonable to think you are going to keep 100% of the population locked in their homes for months. We can't even get everyone to follow criminal laws. It's not shocking that millions of people aren't going to follow social distancing guidelines. Having social interactions with others outside while trying to maintain 6 feet apart isn't going to be the end of the world.
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pocketrockets06 said:

No the goal is to stop the spread. If we only slow the spread, we lose - medically and economically.

Think of it this way. If we merely slow the spread such that 20% of the US gets this before we have a vaccine that's ~66 million people. Of those, roughly 14% need to be hospitalized (9.2 million) and of those about 20% will need ICU/ventilator (1.85 million). Since the average ICU/intubation is about 10 days that's ~18.5 million days of ICU care we have to provide in the next ~540 days or roughly 34,222 people in the ICU every day just from this for the next 18 months.

That's roughly 15,000 more ICU beds than we have normally (source https://covid19.healthdata.org/projections). What happens to the fatality rate when every ICU in the country is overflowing for 18 months? How in the world do we operate at peak economic output in a world where our hospital system is overwhelmed?

Again, we should be thinking Crush the Curve, not flatten the curve.
stopping the virus is an impossible goal. China is lying. Way too contagious to stamp out. Flattening the curve is best we can hope for till a vaccine.
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SirLurksALot said:

Proposition Joe said:

SirLurksALot said:

bay fan said:

Capitol Ag said:

grassmastersbcs said:

I just realized Capitol Ag is trolling. Nevermind, carry on.


This is a first! Being accused of trolling I mean! For that, I thank you for a nice morning laugh. Seriously.

Look, these threads become pointless unfortunately b/c too many on here, on all sides of this issue, can't keep things emotionally limited and refrain from serious discussion. I'm for as much limit as possible but also can see why that can be harder for some to do and is very different depending on which poster you have a discussion with. Some on here think of you go to the grocery store at all your breaking the rules. Others say this is all BS and an over-abundance of caution that's is not necessary. Some seem to really want a real lockdown, others to start work Monday. But I'd argue actually that about 96 (WHOOP!) % of us all pretty much agree for the most part on the same things. Following the guidelines of our State and Governor and what almost all medical docs are telling us to do. In the end, let's be able to debate here with out judgement and with grace and understanding. When you happen to be a 55-70 year old woman who lives alone, it's probably very easy to say "stay at home and just deal with this and we can stay healthy and get this over with" and aren't in the same situation where you have 3 young children and 2 adults in the same household who really do have certain needs that are completely different than the previously mentioned person. If I were a 40 something living alone, I'd have to go out more as I have food and shopping to do and real needs I'd would have to take care of. A single mom or dad will have a different situation as well. Guess what, those won't all be handled in the same way by everyone. Again, the experts are not trying to "stop" the spread, they are telling us to try to do our part to slow it down. I honestly think we are, the vast majority of us. The question will be if what is happening will work or not and will it be enough. We will know by May. In the meantime let's all stay healthy and we can all get together in early August at the Texags Kickoff and have a drink and a laugh while looking back at this time in our lives
Do you really think letting your kids play with the neighbor kids falls any where near an essential risk worth taking? Let's just all be honest, it's simply convenient and a good bit of lazy parenting, greater good be damned.

Selfish attitudes will only prolong this situation for those of us abiding by the guidelines. If anyone thinks no work/income or socializing with my friends is fun for me, for the record it's not. So do your share and follow the rules so we can put this in the rear view mirror.

It is inaccurate to say that social distancing will get us back to normal quicker. It won't. It's only function is to prevent us from going over hospital capacity and to buy time for better treatment options.

I dunno about you, but part of what i consider normal is being able to go to the hospital and be treated for a serious ailment without a worry that they won't have a bed for me.

So yes, by social distancing and preventing us from going over hospital capacity it will help us get back to normal quicker.

We're trying to slow the spread of the virus. Allowing ones kids to play with other neighborhood kids does not help slow the spread of the virus. It's a really easy concept to grasp.


If being able to go to the hospital is the only thing you need for you life to be back to normal then good for you. For the rest of us in the real world we have other concerns.

Reading comprehension.
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SoupNazi2001 said:

Some of you can complain about others decisions all you want but you aren't going to change them. Freedom to make decisions is what makes our country the best in the World. If you are that afraid don't let your kids play with anyone else, stay inside and get your groceries delivered. Just know others won't necessarily do the same thing.
Wow.

If significant number of parents decide to be irresponsible and let their kids to run around with other kids, then what is the point of stopping schools now? Let kids continue to attend schools. Now if a few kids got COVID-19, then likely it won't take long for lot of kids and their parents from the same school would be infected. But so what?

30,000+ new infections and 1000+ people died everyday, even with stay-at-home order in highly populated states. Millions are out of jobs.

We all would like to get back to normal as quickly as possible. However, this is going to be much longer than needed because there are enough irresponsible people out there letting their kids running around with other kids and not following stay at home/ social distancing rules.
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Proposition Joe said:

SirLurksALot said:

Proposition Joe said:

SirLurksALot said:

bay fan said:

Capitol Ag said:

grassmastersbcs said:

I just realized Capitol Ag is trolling. Nevermind, carry on.


This is a first! Being accused of trolling I mean! For that, I thank you for a nice morning laugh. Seriously.

Look, these threads become pointless unfortunately b/c too many on here, on all sides of this issue, can't keep things emotionally limited and refrain from serious discussion. I'm for as much limit as possible but also can see why that can be harder for some to do and is very different depending on which poster you have a discussion with. Some on here think of you go to the grocery store at all your breaking the rules. Others say this is all BS and an over-abundance of caution that's is not necessary. Some seem to really want a real lockdown, others to start work Monday. But I'd argue actually that about 96 (WHOOP!) % of us all pretty much agree for the most part on the same things. Following the guidelines of our State and Governor and what almost all medical docs are telling us to do. In the end, let's be able to debate here with out judgement and with grace and understanding. When you happen to be a 55-70 year old woman who lives alone, it's probably very easy to say "stay at home and just deal with this and we can stay healthy and get this over with" and aren't in the same situation where you have 3 young children and 2 adults in the same household who really do have certain needs that are completely different than the previously mentioned person. If I were a 40 something living alone, I'd have to go out more as I have food and shopping to do and real needs I'd would have to take care of. A single mom or dad will have a different situation as well. Guess what, those won't all be handled in the same way by everyone. Again, the experts are not trying to "stop" the spread, they are telling us to try to do our part to slow it down. I honestly think we are, the vast majority of us. The question will be if what is happening will work or not and will it be enough. We will know by May. In the meantime let's all stay healthy and we can all get together in early August at the Texags Kickoff and have a drink and a laugh while looking back at this time in our lives
Do you really think letting your kids play with the neighbor kids falls any where near an essential risk worth taking? Let's just all be honest, it's simply convenient and a good bit of lazy parenting, greater good be damned.

Selfish attitudes will only prolong this situation for those of us abiding by the guidelines. If anyone thinks no work/income or socializing with my friends is fun for me, for the record it's not. So do your share and follow the rules so we can put this in the rear view mirror.

It is inaccurate to say that social distancing will get us back to normal quicker. It won't. It's only function is to prevent us from going over hospital capacity and to buy time for better treatment options.

I dunno about you, but part of what i consider normal is being able to go to the hospital and be treated for a serious ailment without a worry that they won't have a bed for me.

So yes, by social distancing and preventing us from going over hospital capacity it will help us get back to normal quicker.

We're trying to slow the spread of the virus. Allowing ones kids to play with other neighborhood kids does not help slow the spread of the virus. It's a really easy concept to grasp.


If being able to go to the hospital is the only thing you need for you life to be back to normal then good for you. For the rest of us in the real world we have other concerns.

Reading comprehension.


So you agree. Social distancing won't get us back to normal life any faster. Thanks.
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SirLurksALot said:

aggierogue said:

SirLurksALot said:

Proposition Joe said:

SirLurksALot said:

bay fan said:

Capitol Ag said:

grassmastersbcs said:

I just realized Capitol Ag is trolling. Nevermind, carry on.


This is a first! Being accused of trolling I mean! For that, I thank you for a nice morning laugh. Seriously.

Look, these threads become pointless unfortunately b/c too many on here, on all sides of this issue, can't keep things emotionally limited and refrain from serious discussion. I'm for as much limit as possible but also can see why that can be harder for some to do and is very different depending on which poster you have a discussion with. Some on here think of you go to the grocery store at all your breaking the rules. Others say this is all BS and an over-abundance of caution that's is not necessary. Some seem to really want a real lockdown, others to start work Monday. But I'd argue actually that about 96 (WHOOP!) % of us all pretty much agree for the most part on the same things. Following the guidelines of our State and Governor and what almost all medical docs are telling us to do. In the end, let's be able to debate here with out judgement and with grace and understanding. When you happen to be a 55-70 year old woman who lives alone, it's probably very easy to say "stay at home and just deal with this and we can stay healthy and get this over with" and aren't in the same situation where you have 3 young children and 2 adults in the same household who really do have certain needs that are completely different than the previously mentioned person. If I were a 40 something living alone, I'd have to go out more as I have food and shopping to do and real needs I'd would have to take care of. A single mom or dad will have a different situation as well. Guess what, those won't all be handled in the same way by everyone. Again, the experts are not trying to "stop" the spread, they are telling us to try to do our part to slow it down. I honestly think we are, the vast majority of us. The question will be if what is happening will work or not and will it be enough. We will know by May. In the meantime let's all stay healthy and we can all get together in early August at the Texags Kickoff and have a drink and a laugh while looking back at this time in our lives
Do you really think letting your kids play with the neighbor kids falls any where near an essential risk worth taking? Let's just all be honest, it's simply convenient and a good bit of lazy parenting, greater good be damned.

Selfish attitudes will only prolong this situation for those of us abiding by the guidelines. If anyone thinks no work/income or socializing with my friends is fun for me, for the record it's not. So do your share and follow the rules so we can put this in the rear view mirror.

It is inaccurate to say that social distancing will get us back to normal quicker. It won't. It's only function is to prevent us from going over hospital capacity and to buy time for better treatment options.

I dunno about you, but part of what i consider normal is being able to go to the hospital and be treated for a serious ailment without a worry that they won't have a bed for me.

So yes, by social distancing and preventing us from going over hospital capacity it will help us get back to normal quicker.

We're trying to slow the spread of the virus. Allowing ones kids to play with other neighborhood kids does not help slow the spread of the virus. It's a really easy concept to grasp.


If being able to go to the hospital is the only thing you need for you life to be back to normal then good for you. For the rest of us in the real world we have other concerns.


How about simply trying to prevent the spread of the virus to other people? You make it sound like we should all live carefree if our local hospitals aren't overwhelmed. For every family that is bending the rules, they are just increasing the chances of others getting it. It's like some of you can't comprehend that people are asymptomatic for several days with this virus and can spread it to others. Perhaps some of us (likely most) would like to lower the odds of getting the virus and maybe not get it at all.


I only said that following social distancing will not get us back to normal faster. I didn't say that people shouldn't follow the guidelines.

You literally said:

Quote:

Kids can play with other kids. It's going to be ok

Playing with one or two other kids outside isn't likely to hurt anything.



You're arguing just to argue.

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SirLurksALot said:

aggierogue said:

SirLurksALot said:

Proposition Joe said:

SirLurksALot said:

bay fan said:

Capitol Ag said:

grassmastersbcs said:

I just realized Capitol Ag is trolling. Nevermind, carry on.


This is a first! Being accused of trolling I mean! For that, I thank you for a nice morning laugh. Seriously.

Look, these threads become pointless unfortunately b/c too many on here, on all sides of this issue, can't keep things emotionally limited and refrain from serious discussion. I'm for as much limit as possible but also can see why that can be harder for some to do and is very different depending on which poster you have a discussion with. Some on here think of you go to the grocery store at all your breaking the rules. Others say this is all BS and an over-abundance of caution that's is not necessary. Some seem to really want a real lockdown, others to start work Monday. But I'd argue actually that about 96 (WHOOP!) % of us all pretty much agree for the most part on the same things. Following the guidelines of our State and Governor and what almost all medical docs are telling us to do. In the end, let's be able to debate here with out judgement and with grace and understanding. When you happen to be a 55-70 year old woman who lives alone, it's probably very easy to say "stay at home and just deal with this and we can stay healthy and get this over with" and aren't in the same situation where you have 3 young children and 2 adults in the same household who really do have certain needs that are completely different than the previously mentioned person. If I were a 40 something living alone, I'd have to go out more as I have food and shopping to do and real needs I'd would have to take care of. A single mom or dad will have a different situation as well. Guess what, those won't all be handled in the same way by everyone. Again, the experts are not trying to "stop" the spread, they are telling us to try to do our part to slow it down. I honestly think we are, the vast majority of us. The question will be if what is happening will work or not and will it be enough. We will know by May. In the meantime let's all stay healthy and we can all get together in early August at the Texags Kickoff and have a drink and a laugh while looking back at this time in our lives
Do you really think letting your kids play with the neighbor kids falls any where near an essential risk worth taking? Let's just all be honest, it's simply convenient and a good bit of lazy parenting, greater good be damned.

Selfish attitudes will only prolong this situation for those of us abiding by the guidelines. If anyone thinks no work/income or socializing with my friends is fun for me, for the record it's not. So do your share and follow the rules so we can put this in the rear view mirror.

It is inaccurate to say that social distancing will get us back to normal quicker. It won't. It's only function is to prevent us from going over hospital capacity and to buy time for better treatment options.

I dunno about you, but part of what i consider normal is being able to go to the hospital and be treated for a serious ailment without a worry that they won't have a bed for me.

So yes, by social distancing and preventing us from going over hospital capacity it will help us get back to normal quicker.

We're trying to slow the spread of the virus. Allowing ones kids to play with other neighborhood kids does not help slow the spread of the virus. It's a really easy concept to grasp.


If being able to go to the hospital is the only thing you need for you life to be back to normal then good for you. For the rest of us in the real world we have other concerns.


How about simply trying to prevent the spread of the virus to other people? You make it sound like we should all live carefree if our local hospitals aren't overwhelmed. For every family that is bending the rules, they are just increasing the chances of others getting it. It's like some of you can't comprehend that people are asymptomatic for several days with this virus and can spread it to others. Perhaps some of us (likely most) would like to lower the odds of getting the virus and maybe not get it at all.


I only said that following social distancing will not get us back to normal faster. I didn't say that people shouldn't follow the guidelines.

With that said, everything is about risk management. It is unreasonable to think you are going to keep 100% of the population locked in their homes for months. We can't even get everyone to follow criminal laws. It's not shocking that millions of people aren't going to follow social distancing guidelines. Having social interactions with others outside while trying to maintain 6 feet apart isn't going to be the end of the world.
You're going to see this in your way and I in mine. I simply don't know why someone's 3 kids opportunity to play is more important then my ability to get back to work and others ability to see their families. Play is pretty darn low on reasons to take risks and it will lead to more and more "little" ways to avoid pulling together for the greater good.
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Proposition Joe said:

SirLurksALot said:

aggierogue said:

SirLurksALot said:

Proposition Joe said:

SirLurksALot said:

bay fan said:

Capitol Ag said:

grassmastersbcs said:

I just realized Capitol Ag is trolling. Nevermind, carry on.


This is a first! Being accused of trolling I mean! For that, I thank you for a nice morning laugh. Seriously.

Look, these threads become pointless unfortunately b/c too many on here, on all sides of this issue, can't keep things emotionally limited and refrain from serious discussion. I'm for as much limit as possible but also can see why that can be harder for some to do and is very different depending on which poster you have a discussion with. Some on here think of you go to the grocery store at all your breaking the rules. Others say this is all BS and an over-abundance of caution that's is not necessary. Some seem to really want a real lockdown, others to start work Monday. But I'd argue actually that about 96 (WHOOP!) % of us all pretty much agree for the most part on the same things. Following the guidelines of our State and Governor and what almost all medical docs are telling us to do. In the end, let's be able to debate here with out judgement and with grace and understanding. When you happen to be a 55-70 year old woman who lives alone, it's probably very easy to say "stay at home and just deal with this and we can stay healthy and get this over with" and aren't in the same situation where you have 3 young children and 2 adults in the same household who really do have certain needs that are completely different than the previously mentioned person. If I were a 40 something living alone, I'd have to go out more as I have food and shopping to do and real needs I'd would have to take care of. A single mom or dad will have a different situation as well. Guess what, those won't all be handled in the same way by everyone. Again, the experts are not trying to "stop" the spread, they are telling us to try to do our part to slow it down. I honestly think we are, the vast majority of us. The question will be if what is happening will work or not and will it be enough. We will know by May. In the meantime let's all stay healthy and we can all get together in early August at the Texags Kickoff and have a drink and a laugh while looking back at this time in our lives
Do you really think letting your kids play with the neighbor kids falls any where near an essential risk worth taking? Let's just all be honest, it's simply convenient and a good bit of lazy parenting, greater good be damned.

Selfish attitudes will only prolong this situation for those of us abiding by the guidelines. If anyone thinks no work/income or socializing with my friends is fun for me, for the record it's not. So do your share and follow the rules so we can put this in the rear view mirror.

It is inaccurate to say that social distancing will get us back to normal quicker. It won't. It's only function is to prevent us from going over hospital capacity and to buy time for better treatment options.

I dunno about you, but part of what i consider normal is being able to go to the hospital and be treated for a serious ailment without a worry that they won't have a bed for me.

So yes, by social distancing and preventing us from going over hospital capacity it will help us get back to normal quicker.

We're trying to slow the spread of the virus. Allowing ones kids to play with other neighborhood kids does not help slow the spread of the virus. It's a really easy concept to grasp.


If being able to go to the hospital is the only thing you need for you life to be back to normal then good for you. For the rest of us in the real world we have other concerns.


How about simply trying to prevent the spread of the virus to other people? You make it sound like we should all live carefree if our local hospitals aren't overwhelmed. For every family that is bending the rules, they are just increasing the chances of others getting it. It's like some of you can't comprehend that people are asymptomatic for several days with this virus and can spread it to others. Perhaps some of us (likely most) would like to lower the odds of getting the virus and maybe not get it at all.


I only said that following social distancing will not get us back to normal faster. I didn't say that people shouldn't follow the guidelines.

You literally said:

Quote:

Kids can play with other kids. It's going to be ok

Playing with one or two other kids outside isn't likely to hurt anything.



You're arguing just to argue.




The social distancing guidelines don't say you can't have social interactions. Keep groups under 10 and try to maintain 6 feet of distance in public. The shelter in place orders are coming from local politicians not the CDC.
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bay fan said:



Do you really think letting your kids play with the neighbor kids falls any where near an essential risk worth taking? Let's just all be honest, it's simply convenient and a good bit of lazy parenting, greater good be damned.

Selfish attitudes will only prolong this situation for those of us abiding by the guidelines. If anyone thinks no work/income or socializing with my friends is fun for me, for the record it's not. So do your share and follow the rules so we can put this in the rear view mirror.
I agree, it does not fall in the essential category. But I won't call Quito "selfish" either. B/c I understand his situation and it's a very different dynamic than the one you have said you are currently in. And I really get it'd suck to be alone during all of this as well. One of our very very good friends is alone in Austin. She calls us to check in. I'd be going nuts, lol. Sort of like this scene from Forgetting Sarah Marshall:


Also, I do not think Quito is "lazy" parent at all. I wish we could stop throwing those types of terms around. He asked a question. It's easy to answer without pointing fingers, being disrespectful and throwing out accusations.

Finally, I totally agree to do our part as you say. The fasted we do this the quicker it's over with. On that, I think everyone agrees.
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I have 3yr and 4yr old boys. I think it is well understood with all parents that their kids act different at home versus a school environment. Having to juggle babysitting with work and distant learning everyday has been very challenging especially since my wife also works full time. My kids are disciplined and they know that if I count to three, they whip their butts in shape with whatever I'm asking them to do however kids being cramped in a house all day get very restless.

We have been strict with not playing with the neighbor kids.
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It's only impossible if we are unwilling to sacrifice in the short term to get the cases back down to a manageable level. Right now, we have far too many cases for effective contact tracing to occur and we have shortages of critical medical equipment. If we can crush the curve, we can get back to normal sooner with rapid contact tracing and localized lockdowns when new cases are detected. Yes there will still be cases until we get a vaccine but they will be at a level that allows for a normal level of economic activity.

We don't have that right now.

Let me give you an example...I work at a large chemical manufacturer near New Orleans. We have double digit cases on site and with each new case, we end up having to cascade and send multiple workers home to self quarantine. At one point last week, we almost did not have enough operators to run a key site asset, without which the rest of the site shuts down. Why should you care? Because among other things, our site makes ingredients in hand soap, cough medicines, plastic for bleach bottles, etc.

Now start imagining that across the country and the massive holes that will start opening in the supply chain. The only way that's not how the next 18 months looks is if we knock the case load way lower than it is right now so that we can manage the inevitable flare ups and the resulting localized quarantines.

We can do this. Unless you think South Korea is just that much better than the US. Because they have managed. They are going to have professional sports this summer - will we?

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SirLurksALot said:

Proposition Joe said:

SirLurksALot said:

aggierogue said:

SirLurksALot said:

Proposition Joe said:

SirLurksALot said:

bay fan said:

Capitol Ag said:

grassmastersbcs said:

I just realized Capitol Ag is trolling. Nevermind, carry on.


This is a first! Being accused of trolling I mean! For that, I thank you for a nice morning laugh. Seriously.

Look, these threads become pointless unfortunately b/c too many on here, on all sides of this issue, can't keep things emotionally limited and refrain from serious discussion. I'm for as much limit as possible but also can see why that can be harder for some to do and is very different depending on which poster you have a discussion with. Some on here think of you go to the grocery store at all your breaking the rules. Others say this is all BS and an over-abundance of caution that's is not necessary. Some seem to really want a real lockdown, others to start work Monday. But I'd argue actually that about 96 (WHOOP!) % of us all pretty much agree for the most part on the same things. Following the guidelines of our State and Governor and what almost all medical docs are telling us to do. In the end, let's be able to debate here with out judgement and with grace and understanding. When you happen to be a 55-70 year old woman who lives alone, it's probably very easy to say "stay at home and just deal with this and we can stay healthy and get this over with" and aren't in the same situation where you have 3 young children and 2 adults in the same household who really do have certain needs that are completely different than the previously mentioned person. If I were a 40 something living alone, I'd have to go out more as I have food and shopping to do and real needs I'd would have to take care of. A single mom or dad will have a different situation as well. Guess what, those won't all be handled in the same way by everyone. Again, the experts are not trying to "stop" the spread, they are telling us to try to do our part to slow it down. I honestly think we are, the vast majority of us. The question will be if what is happening will work or not and will it be enough. We will know by May. In the meantime let's all stay healthy and we can all get together in early August at the Texags Kickoff and have a drink and a laugh while looking back at this time in our lives
Do you really think letting your kids play with the neighbor kids falls any where near an essential risk worth taking? Let's just all be honest, it's simply convenient and a good bit of lazy parenting, greater good be damned.

Selfish attitudes will only prolong this situation for those of us abiding by the guidelines. If anyone thinks no work/income or socializing with my friends is fun for me, for the record it's not. So do your share and follow the rules so we can put this in the rear view mirror.

It is inaccurate to say that social distancing will get us back to normal quicker. It won't. It's only function is to prevent us from going over hospital capacity and to buy time for better treatment options.

I dunno about you, but part of what i consider normal is being able to go to the hospital and be treated for a serious ailment without a worry that they won't have a bed for me.

So yes, by social distancing and preventing us from going over hospital capacity it will help us get back to normal quicker.

We're trying to slow the spread of the virus. Allowing ones kids to play with other neighborhood kids does not help slow the spread of the virus. It's a really easy concept to grasp.


If being able to go to the hospital is the only thing you need for you life to be back to normal then good for you. For the rest of us in the real world we have other concerns.


How about simply trying to prevent the spread of the virus to other people? You make it sound like we should all live carefree if our local hospitals aren't overwhelmed. For every family that is bending the rules, they are just increasing the chances of others getting it. It's like some of you can't comprehend that people are asymptomatic for several days with this virus and can spread it to others. Perhaps some of us (likely most) would like to lower the odds of getting the virus and maybe not get it at all.


I only said that following social distancing will not get us back to normal faster. I didn't say that people shouldn't follow the guidelines.

You literally said:

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Kids can play with other kids. It's going to be ok

Playing with one or two other kids outside isn't likely to hurt anything.



You're arguing just to argue.




The social distancing guidelines don't say you can't have social interactions. Keep groups under 10 and try to maintain 6 feet of distance in public. The shelter in place orders are coming from local politicians not the CDC.


Fauci has said he would have a nationwide shelter in place and doesn't understand the governors who haven't put one in place.

The only reason it is coming from local levels vs federal is because trump has decided to leave it up to all of the governors - not because the medical community somehow doesn't think it necessary.
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My initial response was in jest...sort of. But I do think parents need to be disciplined at this time. One of my best friends has a daughter that is best friends with mine. We live in different housing communities a few miles apart. Our kids want to get together, and it's tempting. But my friend is much more relaxed on this issue and not taking it as serious. He lets his daughter play with a few other kids and has also allowed a sleepover. I had to tell him that our family is just staying at home by ourselves for a while. It's not easy.

I'm sure Quito is a great parent, and I meant no disrespect.
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pocketrockets06 said:

It's only impossible if we are unwilling to sacrifice in the short term to get the cases back down to a manageable level. Right now, we have far too many cases for effective contact tracing to occur and we have shortages of critical medical equipment. If we can crush the curve, we can get back to normal sooner with rapid contact tracing and localized lockdowns when new cases are detected. Yes there will still be cases until we get a vaccine but they will be at a level that allows for a normal level of economic activity.

We don't have that right now.

Let me give you an example...I work at a large chemical manufacturer near New Orleans. We have double digit cases on site and with each new case, we end up having to cascade and send multiple workers home to self quarantine. At one point last week, we almost did not have enough operators to run a key site asset, without which the rest of the site shuts down. Why should you care? Because among other things, our site makes ingredients in hand soap, cough medicines, plastic for bleach bottles, etc.

Now start imagining that across the country and the massive holes that will start opening in the supply chain. The only way that's not how the next 18 months looks is if we knock the case load way lower than it is right now so that we can manage the inevitable flare ups and the resulting localized quarantines.

We can do this. Unless you think South Korea is just that much better than the US. Because they have managed. They are going to have professional sports this summer - will we?

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Here is a good piece of news followed by a bad piece of news:

The good news is, "cases", meaning 'hospitalizations' are currently at very manageable levels in Texas. We have ample capacity to handle an increase in hospitalizations.

The bad news is, "cases", meaning 'persons with the virus or suspected of having the virus (AKA, a "PUI")' have never been at bureaucratically manageable levels...even when there were only 10 PUI's almost a month ago.

The reality is there will never be "effective contact tracing" owing to the simple fact that the execution-level departments are simply not built to monitor and investigate PUI's. I am referring to the county and city health departments.

So, any strategy that focuses on intensive PUI tracking and monitoring is a non-starter. Contact tracing would be impossible even if you enlisted every law enforcement officer toward this singular goal.
I am the mayor of an enclave municipality in a highly populated county in Texas. I post on TexAgs somewhat regularly under another username.

I have created this profile for use during the COVID-19 situation to provide one persons local government perspective.
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Broadly you're correct. We have procedures and the basic understanding of doing contact tracing but not necessarily the people at the ground level to execute. But it doesn't have to stay that way. We didn't have world class military on December 7, 1941 but we got there by investing resources and people. If we aren't willing to do that again then yep, we might as well lift the shutdowns and move towards the 10 million dead scenario and the resulting economic destruction.
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I guess this thread was good for shining a light on the selfish self-centered *******s on the board. Just wow.

Although the Chinese Communist Government is to blame, many of you also are or will be to blame for many sicknesses and deaths. Damn.
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bay fan said:

I can't imagine a pediatrician saying that. If you take your kids to that person, I'd find a new doctor.

You have three kids at great ages to play with each other. I don't mean to be mean but the best advice I was ever given as a parent of young kids, if you can't control them when they are young, you stand zero chance when they are teenagers. In your case I would say, if you can't deprive them of being with their friends at this age, you stand zero chance of telling them they can't go to a party at 15. Parents are parents because we make the hard decisions.

People act like being with, playing with and entertaining their kids is such a chore it justifies breaking these rules.

Here's my standard question, should everyone do this or just you? If everyone does this how does that effect what we are trying to accomplish?




What a stupid, judgmental post. He said he made that decision - he didn't say his kids begged so he gave in. Nor does it mean he can't handle watching his kids.

There's a thought that if you let your kids play with the same kids only, you're all quarantining together.

This board is full on hyper.
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Capitol Ag said:

bay fan said:



Do you really think letting your kids play with the neighbor kids falls any where near an essential risk worth taking? Let's just all be honest, it's simply convenient and a good bit of lazy parenting, greater good be damned.

Selfish attitudes will only prolong this situation for those of us abiding by the guidelines. If anyone thinks no work/income or socializing with my friends is fun for me, for the record it's not. So do your share and follow the rules so we can put this in the rear view mirror.
I agree, it does not fall in the essential category. But I won't call Quito "selfish" either. B/c I understand his situation and it's a very different dynamic than the one you have said you are currently in. And I really get it'd suck to be alone during all of this as well. One of our very very good friends is alone in Austin. She calls us to check in. I'd be going nuts, lol. Sort of like this scene from Forgetting Sarah Marshall:


Also, I do not think Quito is "lazy" parent at all. I wish we could stop throwing those types of terms around. He asked a question. It's easy to answer without pointing fingers, being disrespectful and throwing out accusations.

Finally, I totally agree to do our part as you say. The fasted we do this the quicker it's over with. On that, I think everyone agrees.



Well then please start doing your part. As of yet, you aren't doing it. And I apologize for calling you a troll, that was uncalled for.
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Quito said:

I have an 8 year old and twins that are 6. I'm sure most of you agree that outdoor play and interaction with other kids is such a wonderful time for kids.

We live in KC and school already canceled till Aug. little League Baseball/softball is delayed...league tentatively making plans to start in May.

Do we think that will happen?

We've been letting our kids play outside with neighbor kids, but not inside and washing hands a ton. Pediatrician neighbor said that was fine.

Are we crazy for doing this?

Anybody else with elementary aged kids have any thoughts?
Some kids with covid-doomer parents have been locked up in isolation for going on 9 months now, particularly in certain states with big cities that vote a certain way. It's amazingly sad. Teachers see it on their faces in zoom lessons daily.
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My sister in-law just let her kids play with another kid, first time since March. It has been painful to see so many kids regress. Hopefully they are resilient enough to bounce back quickly to their normal selves. What will be interesting is with kids not going to school for 9 months will be all of the normal illnesses surging from kids not getting the normal germs for that length of time.
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My daughter's best friend (3) hasn't left his house since March. We let the kids FaceTime every week or so, but lately he hasn't wanted to do it because it's too hard for him not to get to play. The family as a whole is relatively low risk. It's kind of blown up the friendship between me and his mom because she's annoyed that we're living life with some normal, regular precautions and we haven't gotten sick.

Holding kids hostage for some version of tragic SJW bingo is incredibly sad to me.
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probably best to cut bait now.
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jopatura said:

My daughter's best friend (3) hasn't left his house since March. We let the kids FaceTime every week or so, but lately he hasn't wanted to do it because it's too hard for him not to get to play. The family as a whole is relatively low risk. It's kind of blown up the friendship between me and his mom because she's annoyed that we're living life with some normal, regular precautions and we haven't gotten sick.

Holding kids hostage for some version of tragic SJW bingo is incredibly sad to me.
Curious, do you know what news sources they primarily read/watch?

It's amazing what 'the experts' have done to the world.
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jopatura said:

My daughter's best friend (3) hasn't left his house since March. We let the kids FaceTime every week or so, but lately he hasn't wanted to do it because it's too hard for him not to get to play. The family as a whole is relatively low risk. It's kind of blown up the friendship between me and his mom because she's annoyed that we're living life with some normal, regular precautions and we haven't gotten sick.

Holding kids hostage for some version of tragic SJW bingo is incredibly sad to me.
To me, that borders on child abuse. Maybe that statement is a stretch but I truly feel they are doing more harm to that boy than Covid would.

Friendships are being tested big time with all of this. It's interesting to see how people have dealt with this in such different ways and at times it can lead to strained relationships as some have major issues with how other's have chosen to live their lives, one way or the other...
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I know her husband was on Reddit a lot in the beginning. She was talking about it in January and referencing the big COVID subreddits. I do know they leaned a lot more liberal then us, but that didn't really matter when the kids were friends.
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Unimaginable what some are doing to children right now. For something less than the flu and just like a common cold to them.
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I mean we don't know the long term effects of having this novel virus, so I can understand people being afraid of allowing their kids to catch something that, for all they know, could stunt their child's lifespan. No matter how unlikely that is, it's something people can be afraid of. Just because you aren't afraid and think they shouldn't be doesn't make the fear any less real for them. At least, that's my experience with people I know that are completely shut in with little ones. By shut in, I mean they aren't spending time with other people. They're still going to parks and playing outside all the time.
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notex said:

jopatura said:

My daughter's best friend (3) hasn't left his house since March. We let the kids FaceTime every week or so, but lately he hasn't wanted to do it because it's too hard for him not to get to play. The family as a whole is relatively low risk. It's kind of blown up the friendship between me and his mom because she's annoyed that we're living life with some normal, regular precautions and we haven't gotten sick.

Holding kids hostage for some version of tragic SJW bingo is incredibly sad to me.
Curious, do you know what news sources they primarily read/watch?

It's amazing what 'the experts' have done to the world.
I know for my sister inlaw all they read was MSM stuff, when I sent her studies and research she would not read it respond with a story about feelings from MSN or CNN. Or they would find a doctor that fit what MSM was saying and sent me those stories even though it was all facts.

She still argues that it was not safe sending our kids back to school yet there has not been anyone in their grade that has come down with it in their school
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tomtomdrumdrum said:

I mean we don't know the long term effects of having this novel virus, so I can understand people being afraid of allowing their kids to catch something that, for all they know, could stunt their child's lifespan. No matter how unlikely that is, it's something people can be afraid of. Just because you aren't afraid and think they shouldn't be doesn't make the fear any less real for them. At least, that's my experience with people I know that are completely shut in with little ones. By shut in, I mean they aren't spending time with other people. They're still going to parks and playing outside all the time.


They are trading some far off chance of these mysterious long term effects for much more probable long lasting social effects of not socializing kids. Especially kids under the age of 5. If kids don't figure out how to play with others by the age of 4 they will be left behind their whole life.
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pocketrockets06 said:

It's only impossible if we are unwilling to sacrifice in the short term to get the cases back down to a manageable level. Right now, we have far too many cases for effective contact tracing to occur and we have shortages of critical medical equipment. If we can crush the curve, we can get back to normal sooner with rapid contact tracing and localized lockdowns when new cases are detected. Yes there will still be cases until we get a vaccine but they will be at a level that allows for a normal level of economic activity.

We don't have that right now.

Let me give you an example...I work at a large chemical manufacturer near New Orleans. We have double digit cases on site and with each new case, we end up having to cascade and send multiple workers home to self quarantine. At one point last week, we almost did not have enough operators to run a key site asset, without which the rest of the site shuts down. Why should you care? Because among other things, our site makes ingredients in hand soap, cough medicines, plastic for bleach bottles, etc.

Now start imagining that across the country and the massive holes that will start opening in the supply chain. The only way that's not how the next 18 months looks is if we knock the case load way lower than it is right now so that we can manage the inevitable flare ups and the resulting localized quarantines.

We can do this. Unless you think South Korea is just that much better than the US. Because they have managed. They are going to have professional sports this summer - will we?

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bay fan said:

SirLurksALot said:

aggierogue said:

SirLurksALot said:

Proposition Joe said:

SirLurksALot said:

bay fan said:

Capitol Ag said:

grassmastersbcs said:

I just realized Capitol Ag is trolling. Nevermind, carry on.


This is a first! Being accused of trolling I mean! For that, I thank you for a nice morning laugh. Seriously.

Look, these threads become pointless unfortunately b/c too many on here, on all sides of this issue, can't keep things emotionally limited and refrain from serious discussion. I'm for as much limit as possible but also can see why that can be harder for some to do and is very different depending on which poster you have a discussion with. Some on here think of you go to the grocery store at all your breaking the rules. Others say this is all BS and an over-abundance of caution that's is not necessary. Some seem to really want a real lockdown, others to start work Monday. But I'd argue actually that about 96 (WHOOP!) % of us all pretty much agree for the most part on the same things. Following the guidelines of our State and Governor and what almost all medical docs are telling us to do. In the end, let's be able to debate here with out judgement and with grace and understanding. When you happen to be a 55-70 year old woman who lives alone, it's probably very easy to say "stay at home and just deal with this and we can stay healthy and get this over with" and aren't in the same situation where you have 3 young children and 2 adults in the same household who really do have certain needs that are completely different than the previously mentioned person. If I were a 40 something living alone, I'd have to go out more as I have food and shopping to do and real needs I'd would have to take care of. A single mom or dad will have a different situation as well. Guess what, those won't all be handled in the same way by everyone. Again, the experts are not trying to "stop" the spread, they are telling us to try to do our part to slow it down. I honestly think we are, the vast majority of us. The question will be if what is happening will work or not and will it be enough. We will know by May. In the meantime let's all stay healthy and we can all get together in early August at the Texags Kickoff and have a drink and a laugh while looking back at this time in our lives
Do you really think letting your kids play with the neighbor kids falls any where near an essential risk worth taking? Let's just all be honest, it's simply convenient and a good bit of lazy parenting, greater good be damned.

Selfish attitudes will only prolong this situation for those of us abiding by the guidelines. If anyone thinks no work/income or socializing with my friends is fun for me, for the record it's not. So do your share and follow the rules so we can put this in the rear view mirror.

It is inaccurate to say that social distancing will get us back to normal quicker. It won't. It's only function is to prevent us from going over hospital capacity and to buy time for better treatment options.

I dunno about you, but part of what i consider normal is being able to go to the hospital and be treated for a serious ailment without a worry that they won't have a bed for me.

So yes, by social distancing and preventing us from going over hospital capacity it will help us get back to normal quicker.

We're trying to slow the spread of the virus. Allowing ones kids to play with other neighborhood kids does not help slow the spread of the virus. It's a really easy concept to grasp.


If being able to go to the hospital is the only thing you need for you life to be back to normal then good for you. For the rest of us in the real world we have other concerns.


How about simply trying to prevent the spread of the virus to other people? You make it sound like we should all live carefree if our local hospitals aren't overwhelmed. For every family that is bending the rules, they are just increasing the chances of others getting it. It's like some of you can't comprehend that people are asymptomatic for several days with this virus and can spread it to others. Perhaps some of us (likely most) would like to lower the odds of getting the virus and maybe not get it at all.


I only said that following social distancing will not get us back to normal faster. I didn't say that people shouldn't follow the guidelines.

With that said, everything is about risk management. It is unreasonable to think you are going to keep 100% of the population locked in their homes for months. We can't even get everyone to follow criminal laws. It's not shocking that millions of people aren't going to follow social distancing guidelines. Having social interactions with others outside while trying to maintain 6 feet apart isn't going to be the end of the world.
You're going to see this in your way and I in mine. I simply don't know why someone's 3 kids opportunity to play is more important then my ability to get back to work and others ability to see their families. Play is pretty darn low on reasons to take risks and it will lead to more and more "little" ways to avoid pulling together for the greater good.
in person play of young children is a foundation of social skills for life. Likely much more important than your job.
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Covid claims another victim.

https://nypost.com/2020/12/03/california-boy-dies-after-shooting-himself-during-zoom-class/
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harge57 said:

tomtomdrumdrum said:

I mean we don't know the long term effects of having this novel virus, so I can understand people being afraid of allowing their kids to catch something that, for all they know, could stunt their child's lifespan. No matter how unlikely that is, it's something people can be afraid of. Just because you aren't afraid and think they shouldn't be doesn't make the fear any less real for them. At least, that's my experience with people I know that are completely shut in with little ones. By shut in, I mean they aren't spending time with other people. They're still going to parks and playing outside all the time.


They are trading some far off chance of these mysterious long term effects for much more probable long lasting social effects of not socializing kids. Especially kids under the age of 5. If kids don't figure out how to play with others by the age of 4 they will be left behind their whole life.


Just going to mildly disagree. My parents didn't "isolate" me but I didn't grow up around any kids my own age except church (southern baptist, so not some weird cult) and I only saw them on Sundays. I did not know a single kid in my grade when I showed up to Kindergarten and did not even have a concept of what a friend was. It was probably 2nd grade before I realized some of these kids actually saw each other outside of school.

My parents just didn't believe in socialization. Fortunately I kinda figured it out in JH and sports helped. I'd say I'm pretty well adjusted now but even my wife gets weirded out when I tell her some things from my youth.

On the flip side, my sister never got out of that and pretty much remained a hermit most of her life, dependent on the government and my parents.

All that to say, I think the socialization effects of all this can be pretty crippling. It's not insurmountable, but it can be a pretty big deal. We were cooped up all of November because of contact tracing. There were some points where I was sleeping with one eye open because one of my kids was not handling it well. He's well adjusted, but being stuck in a one room (not bedroom)apartment while we're remodeling had me worried . The other was fine the whole time but it took a week for him to come out of that funk after we got out of quarantine.
 
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