BlackGoldAg2011 said:

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The_Fox said:

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BlackGoldAg2011 said:

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under 65 it would still be ranked as #10 leading cause of death when compared to annual totals for the last 10 years. and that's with less than 3 months since the first confirmed death in our country.

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Let's see it for under 50. 50 really seems to be the demarcation line.

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i can't do under 50 because the CDC has COVID broken down into 10 year age brackets but here is under 55 and under 45



so as you lower the age it does drop, but still would qualify as a ranked cause of death against annual totals of other causes. for a fun look, here is the rankings if you took the other cause of death annual averages and projected them over the same 77 days that COVID has been killing

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Thank you taking the time to find that information.

So around 1K nationwide deaths over the year for those under 45 including those with preexisting conditions? Yeah, open it all up.

Swagag8 said:

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Why does no one bat an eye when the flu claims a lot kids every year under 10 and this has killed less than you can count on your hands? Stop having tunnel vision!

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Actually, that number is generally less than a few hundred at most out of millions of cases. Can we stop with the flu comparisons already?

GAC06 said:

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BlackGoldAg2011 said:

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The_Fox said:

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BlackGoldAg2011 said:

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under 65 it would still be ranked as #10 leading cause of death when compared to annual totals for the last 10 years. and that's with less than 3 months since the first confirmed death in our country.

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Let's see it for under 50. 50 really seems to be the demarcation line.

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i can't do under 50 because the CDC has COVID broken down into 10 year age brackets but here is under 55 and under 45



so as you lower the age it does drop, but still would qualify as a ranked cause of death against annual totals of other causes. for a fun look, here is the rankings if you took the other cause of death annual averages and projected them over the same 77 days that COVID has been killing

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So for young people, it's similar to flu deaths, which are already largely confined to a specific season.

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for the 2018-2019 flu season, during the worst 11 week period flu killed roughly 790 people ages 1-44. so if you consider the first 11 weeks of covid being double the severity of the worst 11 weeks of flu, then yes, it is similar...

You do realize that this is happening in addition to the flu, not on place of.

Swagag8 said:

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Why does no one bat an eye when the flu claims a lot kids every year under 10 and this has killed less than you can count on your hands? Stop having tunnel vision!

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You can count 40,000 on one hand?

GAC06 said:

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Now compare to a bad flu year. Did we annihilate our economy and force ridiculous restrictions on everyone?

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I feel like you're operating from the position of "everyone who thinks this might be bad thinks it's ok to destroy the economy" which is pretty disingenuous.

It's very possible to think we needed at least some stay home/shelter in place order and also think this is a really bad situation for the economy. It's not black and white and there aren't simple solutions.

This is the problem with this board. OP has already made his agenda clear in previous posts and is posting to stir up debate and now this thread has derailed into another political cluster f.

fig96 said:

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GAC06 said:

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Now compare to a bad flu year. Did we annihilate our economy and force ridiculous restrictions on everyone?

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I feel like you're operating from the position of "everyone who thinks this might be bad thinks it's ok to destroy the economy" which is pretty disingenuous.

It's very possible to think we needed at least some stay home/shelter in place order and also think this is a really bad situation for the economy. It's not black and white and there aren't simple solutions.

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I agree. This is much worse than the flu. I think taking the steps we did was at least somewhat reasonable. But now that we flattened the curve, and it's becoming clear that for the vast majority of the country overrunning hospital capacity was never a realistic threat, it's time to end the insanity.

Joe Exotic said:

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I think the cold hard reality is that this disease is relatively harmless for healthy people under 65.

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For non-obese, non-hypertensive, non-diabetic, etc. people <65, which is a minority of adults >30 in America.

And even then, a small percentage of truly healthy young people do get very sick or die. Additionally, death isn't the only negative long term sequelae of this. Nobody is talking about the good number of patients who recover but have significant residual kidney, lung or cardiac damage.

GAC06 said:

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Now compare to a bad flu year. Did we annihilate our economy and force ridiculous restrictions on everyone?

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Annihilate? The economy still exists, although probably a ~35% GDP hit this quarter. Predicted to recover in third and fourth quarter with overall annual GDP hit of ~-5%. But predicting this seems as reliable as predicting a new pandemic - could be much worse, much better - we will see. Not annihilated.

Worst flu year in last 10 years was estimated at 61K deaths, approaching that mark with Covid after 2 months, not the 5 for flu, and that is with lockdowns and probably 15% or less of people having been exposed so far. This will kill quite a few more people than the flu, even with the lockdowns. The flu is bad, thats why there are vaccines and the deaths are tracked annually, and this is additive, as bad or worse, and wasn't easy to predict two months ago with little trustworthy worldwide data. A decision a month or more ago was on different data than today, which I think is why Europe and Texas/America is starting to ease up on some restrictions now.

As established on this thread, it is older people or people with some other health condition who mostly die. Data also updated here (but it lags) https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm . That included Covid deaths, deaths for all causes, pneumonia deaths, influenza deaths. Interesting data.

There hasn't been anything this contagious and deadly in quite some time, even if it is proven to be "on the order of" a bad influenza year, and early on extreme actions were carried out in countries around the world - not unique to America. Only hindsight will tell us if was generally right or wrong as far as how it was handled, and it will help us in the next event.

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Infection_Ag11 said:

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Joe Exotic said:

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I think the cold hard reality is that this disease is relatively harmless for healthy people under 65.

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For non-obese, non-hypertensive, non-diabetic, etc. people <65, which is a minority of adults >30 in America.

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Lifestyle choices man. Those people don't deserve to live either.

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Whether facetious or serious, this type of post doesn't belong on this board IMO.

deadbq03 said:

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Infection_Ag11 said:

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Joe Exotic said:

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I think the cold hard reality is that this disease is relatively harmless for healthy people under 65.

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For non-obese, non-hypertensive, non-diabetic, etc. people <65, which is a minority of adults >30 in America.

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Lifestyle choices man. Those people don't deserve to live either.

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Alright, time to sign off Texags.

GAC06 said:

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Now compare to a bad flu year. Did we annihilate our economy and force ridiculous restrictions on everyone?

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under 45 years old only, compared to the worst flu year of the previous decade based on total death count.

HotardAg07 said:

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deadbq03 said:

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Infection_Ag11 said:

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Joe Exotic said:

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I think the cold hard reality is that this disease is relatively harmless for healthy people under 65.

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For non-obese, non-hypertensive, non-diabetic, etc. people <65, which is a minority of adults >30 in America.

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Lifestyle choices man. Those people don't deserve to live either.

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Alright, time to sign off Texags.

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I guess my sarcasm wasn't obvious. Which is a sad sign.

That's really what this whole thread is about though.

Even if it were true that this only kills the old and unhealthy, the implication in even bringing it up is that their lives aren't worth saving.

deadbq03 said:

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HotardAg07 said:

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deadbq03 said:

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Infection_Ag11 said:

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Joe Exotic said:

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I think the cold hard reality is that this disease is relatively harmless for healthy people under 65.

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For non-obese, non-hypertensive, non-diabetic, etc. people <65, which is a minority of adults >30 in America.

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Lifestyle choices man. Those people don't deserve to live either.

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Alright, time to sign off Texags.

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I guess my sarcasm wasn't obvious. Which is a sad sign.

That's really what this whole thread is about though.

Even if it were true that this only kills the old and unhealthy, the implication in even bringing it up is that their lives aren't worth saving.

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Not even close. There's no implication, just the fact that it's not a realistic threat for the vast majority of us, and we are overreacting.

GAC06 said:

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deadbq03 said:

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HotardAg07 said:

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deadbq03 said:

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Infection_Ag11 said:

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Joe Exotic said:

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I think the cold hard reality is that this disease is relatively harmless for healthy people under 65.

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For non-obese, non-hypertensive, non-diabetic, etc. people <65, which is a minority of adults >30 in America.

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Lifestyle choices man. Those people don't deserve to live either.

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Alright, time to sign off Texags.

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I guess my sarcasm wasn't obvious. Which is a sad sign.

That's really what this whole thread is about though.

Even if it were true that this only kills the old and unhealthy, the implication in even bringing it up is that their lives aren't worth saving.

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Not even close. There's no implication, just the fact that it's not a realistic threat for the vast majority of us, and we are overreacting.

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I disagree. We all make too many contacts in our lives. My wife has an auto-immune disease. She's at risk. Do we get special notes to keep our kids out of school while everyone else goes? My 5 and 7 year olds sure as hell won't be abiding by protocols if they have to go to school.

One small example. Nearly everyone in the at-risk population would have similar issues trying to keep themselves safe if society didn't do this together.