Agree. Mods, please delete my comments if warranted.agsalaska said:
Fair.
Let's move on and not get this thread locked.
Proposition Joe said:
I'm guessing (hoping) based on how the other restrictions were put in place that if government leaders are stating 25% they are prepared for 50%.
I don't think we're the only people that understand that if you give people an inch, they'll take a mile... So if you determine a mile is safe, start off with giving them an inch.
Observer said:
We are not going to get to zero new cases. This virus is contagious enough that it will spread. Social distancing and wearing masks can help to slow the spread, but it is not zero.
At the end of the day, we need to reopen the economy. It will be slow going at first. I don't think those restaurants will come anywhere to 50% of capacity for the first few weeks. The economy is tanking and disposable income is shrinking. Many people are still wary about going out in public crowd. However, the sooner we get the wheel turning, the sooner it will get back to normal speed.
There number of new cases will undoubtedly increase with the economy starting to open. However, there are enough cautions and awareness that the spread should be slow down enough that it won't overwhelm the healthcare system.
Doesn't your post go against the idea that we will see a significant spike in new cases? If people have been out and about, not social distancing or having friends over and other private parties, for several weeks now, wouldn't those interactions have turned into infections already? Where are the new cases going to come from? It seems the only ones we know about now are clustered around medical facilities. Very few us should be asymptomatic at this point and those that are will likely be connected by first or second degree to a medical or elder care professional.SirLurksALot said:Observer said:
We are not going to get to zero new cases. This virus is contagious enough that it will spread. Social distancing and wearing masks can help to slow the spread, but it is not zero.
At the end of the day, we need to reopen the economy. It will be slow going at first. I don't think those restaurants will come anywhere to 50% of capacity for the first few weeks. The economy is tanking and disposable income is shrinking. Many people are still wary about going out in public crowd. However, the sooner we get the wheel turning, the sooner it will get back to normal speed.
There number of new cases will undoubtedly increase with the economy starting to open. However, there are enough cautions and awareness that the spread should be slow down enough that it won't overwhelm the healthcare system.
As for how many people will go out, I think it depends on where you're located. If you're in the suburbs or rural areas then I could definitely see low attendance in the beginning. Many people that live in these areas don't typically go out all that often anyways. In the cities I think it will be a lot different. I live in downtown Houston. The parks are absolutely packed on the weekends and there's really no social distancing at all going on. I see groups of 5 or 10 regularly. I also know of several people that have been hosting private get togethers in their homes or apartments. These people are eager to end their isolation and I believe they will flood places that open back up pretty quickly.
tysker said:Doesn't your post go against the idea that we will see a significant spike in new cases? If people have been out and about, not social distancing or having friends over and other private parties, for several weeks now, wouldn't those interactions have turned into infections already? Where are the new cases going to come from? It seems the only ones we know about now are clustered around medical facilities. Very few us should be asymptomatic at this point and those that are will likely be connected by first or second degree to a medical or elder care professional.SirLurksALot said:Observer said:
We are not going to get to zero new cases. This virus is contagious enough that it will spread. Social distancing and wearing masks can help to slow the spread, but it is not zero.
At the end of the day, we need to reopen the economy. It will be slow going at first. I don't think those restaurants will come anywhere to 50% of capacity for the first few weeks. The economy is tanking and disposable income is shrinking. Many people are still wary about going out in public crowd. However, the sooner we get the wheel turning, the sooner it will get back to normal speed.
There number of new cases will undoubtedly increase with the economy starting to open. However, there are enough cautions and awareness that the spread should be slow down enough that it won't overwhelm the healthcare system.
As for how many people will go out, I think it depends on where you're located. If you're in the suburbs or rural areas then I could definitely see low attendance in the beginning. Many people that live in these areas don't typically go out all that often anyways. In the cities I think it will be a lot different. I live in downtown Houston. The parks are absolutely packed on the weekends and there's really no social distancing at all going on. I see groups of 5 or 10 regularly. I also know of several people that have been hosting private get togethers in their homes or apartments. These people are eager to end their isolation and I believe they will flood places that open back up pretty quickly.
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"We cannot and will not shut down again"
lol. If its as bad as described by the docs in this forum and begins to spread out of control because of the rash decisions to sacrifice ourselves for restaurant profits. ..they'll close again. I'll grab my popcorn and continue to observe from my bubble.
Update - called Chuys, they have to get permission from corporate before they can open, had several margs at Chimys however.lda6339 said:
I will literally camp outside Chuys.
mystix said:
Now looking back on this 6 monthes later it turns out we opened our businesses to 25% and everything was manageable and business was able to come back just fine. *snap*
Nope.
As I stated back then.. these partial openings were a mistake. We remain with small business at massive risk and with the highest infection rates in the world. Meanwhile we have the example of places like the state of Victoria and city of Melborne in Australia that did go on a 100% lockdown, even to the point of isolating themselves from the rest of the country. And they have now spent a considerable time with 0 new cases, and NOW they can get back to opening the state and city back up for business. After 3 weeks of intense shutdown they get to restart instead of 7 monthes of 1/2 measures for which we get worsening infection rates.
So yea, apparently I really was the wise one.
mystix said:
Now looking back on this 6 monthes later it turns out we opened our businesses to 25% and everything was manageable and business was able to come back just fine. *snap*
Nope.
As I stated back then.. these partial openings were a mistake. We remain with small business at massive risk and with the highest infection rates in the world. Meanwhile we have the example of places like the state of Victoria and city of Melborne in Australia that did go on a 100% lockdown, even to the point of isolating themselves from the rest of the country. And they have now spent a considerable time with 0 new cases, and NOW they can get back to opening the state and city back up for business. After 3 weeks of intense shutdown they get to restart instead of 7 monthes of 1/2 measures for which we get worsening infection rates.
So yea, apparently I really was the wise one.
Are you saying you want to shut down again? It doesn't work and creates more problems than Covid. And Australia is seeing cases rise. Probably not a very good example.mystix said:
Now looking back on this 6 monthes later it turns out we opened our businesses to 25% and everything was manageable and business was able to come back just fine. *snap*
Nope.
As I stated back then.. these partial openings were a mistake. We remain with small business at massive risk and with the highest infection rates in the world. Meanwhile we have the example of places like the state of Victoria and city of Melborne in Australia that did go on a 100% lockdown, even to the point of isolating themselves from the rest of the country. And they have now spent a considerable time with 0 new cases, and NOW they can get back to opening the state and city back up for business. After 3 weeks of intense shutdown they get to restart instead of 7 monthes of 1/2 measures for which we get worsening infection rates.
So yea, apparently I really was the wise one.
The only way to get people on board with shut downs is to lead by example:TexasAggie008 said:
Any and all shut downs should be resisted by any means necessary
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The state had shut down schools, pubs, coffee shops and outdoor sports. Only essential services, like supermarkets, medical facilities and public transport, remained open.
"This has had a massive impact on our community," Stevens said. "People's lives have been upended as a result of information that lead us to a course of action that now was not warranted in the circumstances. We're now taking action to amend that."
Agree.Leather Tuscadero said:
Oh and one Australian state just locked down again. Over skyrocketing cases? No. It was just because a guy lied about contact tracing and a few dozen cases.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/20/australia/south-australia-pizza-bar-lockdown-intl/index.htmlQuote:
The state had shut down schools, pubs, coffee shops and outdoor sports. Only essential services, like supermarkets, medical facilities and public transport, remained open.
"This has had a massive impact on our community," Stevens said. "People's lives have been upended as a result of information that lead us to a course of action that now was not warranted in the circumstances. We're now taking action to amend that."
Leather Tuscadero said:
The scariest part is that his post is now blue starred by people wanting a hard lockdown for the sniffles.
I agree it's more than a cold, but people react to the opposite extreme because of the extreme measures in place.AgsMyDude said:Leather Tuscadero said:
The scariest part is that his post is now blue starred by people wanting a hard lockdown for the sniffles.
The scariest part is the virus has already killed 263K in our country and people downplaying it to "the sniffles".
And no, I'm not advocating for or against a lockdown.
