just a fyi...apparently Gov announced by Executive Order

https://open.texas.gov/uploads/files/organization/opentexas/EO-GA-29-use-of-face-coverings-during-COVID-19-IMAGE-07-02-2020.pdf

better late than never.

Im sure we will still have plenty of badasses that are too cool to wear them.

The WHO was against them before they were for them before they were against them.

ElephantRider said:

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Im sure we will still have plenty of badasses that are too cool to wear them.

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You're only a true badass if you wear one made of paper thin bandanna and then stand in a group of 20k people, less than 6" apart, yelling. Now THAT is tough and no doubt flattens that ole curve for the rest of us.

Squadron7 said:

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The WHO was against them before they were for them before they were against them.

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I think they were kidding. Masks were the solution all along.

Why is Beijing having an outbreak right now?

They have been religiously using masks all year.

you want school to return in 6 weeks?

this is what it's going to take

JP_Losman said:

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Why is Beijing having an outbreak right now?

They have been religiously using masks all year.

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Because wearing a mask is "proven" to stop the spread...wait.

cone said:

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you want school to return in 6 weeks?

this is what it's going to take

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Or we could just return to school...

you aren't going to open schools in the middle of a regional pandemic peak

you can argue why you should until your blue in the face but it's not going to happen

cone said:

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you aren't going to open schools in the middle of a regional pandemic peak

you can argue why you should until your blue in the face but it's not going to happen

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Mask requirements or not, we're not going to be able to get back to normal until people stop pretending that covid is some kind of apocalyptic threat.

cone said:

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you aren't going to open schools in the middle of a regional pandemic peak

you can argue why you should until your blue in the face but it's not going to happen

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Hey, politicians are wimps. I get it. I WOULD open schools. No masks. Let the Karens wait on hold. Its been much more "proven" that the young do not transmit the virus nor are effected by it severely than it's ever been "proven" masks actually stop the spread.

One thing is for sure, I will not be wearing the damn thing when doing my 5s at the gym, where I actually do something that has been proven to boost my immune system and I won't be requiring anyone at my gym to wear one. They can if they want. But I have enough articles collected to speak to the dangers on exercising rigorously while wearing a mask.

I will wear one now that it is a mandate (not a law by the way) but I do "drink a lot of water" as I carry my 45 Oz blender bottle almost everywhere I go anyway. If you are looking for a "loop hole" in all of this, drink plenty of fluids!

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cone said:

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you aren't going to open schools in the middle of a regional pandemic peak

you can argue why you should until your blue in the face but it's not going to happen

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Mask requirements or not, we're not going to be able to get back to normal until people stop pretending that covid is some kind of apocalyptic threat.

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Bingo!

JP_Losman said:

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Why is Beijing having an outbreak right now?

They have been religiously using masks all year.

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LOL, Compare Beijing's "outbreak" to ours.

Authorities reported 31 new cases of the virus in Beijing as of Tuesday, bringing the total number of infections to 137 over the past six days

this is not proof that masks don't work. It shows it does and that China takes every case seriously.

Squadron7 said:

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The WHO was against them before they were for them before they were against them.

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why are paying attention to Daltrey and Townshend?

You kidding me? they were in full lockdown in Beijing last week.
LOCKDOWN

How is that a nothing burger

we seem to have gotten our propaganda mixed up. Which fake news are you referring to?

JP_Losman said:

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You kidding me? they were in full lockdown in Beijing last week.
LOCKDOWN

How is that a nothing burger

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B/c it doesn't fit his narrative!

Let's just agree to not believe anything coming out of China.

On either side of the argument.

Places like Hong Kong and Japan have nearly universal mask adoption and despite way more population density than us and not having a lockdown they were able to avoid an outbreak.

It's the lowest cost lever we have to pull that makes a difference. Wear the mask.

HotardAg07 said:

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Places like Hong Kong and Japan have nearly universal mask adoption and despite way more population density than us and not having a lockdown they were able to avoid an outbreak.

It's the lowest cost lever we have to pull that makes a difference. Wear the mask.

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Beijing and LA have had mask requirements and widespread adoption yet they are currently experiencing outbreaks. Australia and New Zealand have also done a good job at containment yet don't have mask orders.

It hasn't been proven that masks are the reason Japan and SK have done well. Maybe the fact all 4 countries are islands (SK is practically an island for immigration purposes) and are easily able to control who enters their countries has something to do with their ability to contain the disease.

SirLurksALot said:

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HotardAg07 said:

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Places like Hong Kong and Japan have nearly universal mask adoption and despite way more population density than us and not having a lockdown they were able to avoid an outbreak.

It's the lowest cost lever we have to pull that makes a difference. Wear the mask.

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Beijing and LA have had mask requirements and widespread adoption yet they are currently experiencing outbreaks. Australia and New Zealand have also done a good job at containment yet don't have mask orders.

It hasn't been proven that masks are the reason Japan and SK have done well. Maybe the fact all 4 countries are islands (SK is practically an island for immigration purposes) and are easily able to control who enters their countries has something to do with their ability to contain the disease.

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The reason I used Japan and Hong Kong as examples is that their population density is so high and it would apparently be a hot bed for spreading infectious diseases. Australia and New Zealand aren't nearly as densely populated and LA doesn't have nearly the same mask adoption rate. It is over 97% in Hong Kong in Japan.

Look, it probably doesn't mean the virus will vanish if everybody started wearing cloth masks, but it might help 10-15%. If that helps us go from a situation with Rt>1 to <1 (with other mitigating factors) it is worth it. If it doesn't help, then what have we lost? Nothing.

HotardAg07 said:

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SirLurksALot said:

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HotardAg07 said:

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Places like Hong Kong and Japan have nearly universal mask adoption and despite way more population density than us and not having a lockdown they were able to avoid an outbreak.

It's the lowest cost lever we have to pull that makes a difference. Wear the mask.

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Beijing and LA have had mask requirements and widespread adoption yet they are currently experiencing outbreaks. Australia and New Zealand have also done a good job at containment yet don't have mask orders.

It hasn't been proven that masks are the reason Japan and SK have done well. Maybe the fact all 4 countries are islands (SK is practically an island for immigration purposes) and are easily able to control who enters their countries has something to do with their ability to contain the disease.

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The reason I used Japan and Hong Kong as examples is that their population density is so high and it would apparently be a hot bed for spreading infectious diseases. Australia and New Zealand aren't nearly as densely populated and LA doesn't have nearly the same mask adoption rate. It is over 97% in Hong Kong in Japan.

Look, it probably doesn't mean the virus will vanish if everybody started wearing cloth masks, but it might help 10-15%. If that helps us go from a situation with Rt>1 to <1 (with other mitigating factors) it is worth it. If it doesn't help, then what have we lost? Nothing.

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If It's not working in LA then it's not going to work anywhere else in America. Out of all the places in this country LA is going to be one of the areas with the highest amount of compliance.

We're losing time. We're going on 4+ months of restrictions and these mask orders are a step in the wrong direction. That's my issue. We're now only a step away from another lockdown.

We're basically just kicking the can down the road until we have an effective vaccine (if there ever is one). Government officials just need to be honest and tell people that these restrictions are going to be in place for the rest of the year. Then we'll see how people react.

Mask orders are an attempt to avoid lockdowns, don't you see that? It's a minimal requirement. The masks help prevent spread. I'd mask adoption and common sense social distancing keep the virus at bay, we can on with our lives.

These restrictions are going to be in place for the rest of the year. And probably for part of 2021. Feel better?

If you want to run for office on a "let's open it up and let the chips fall where they may" platform, Id probably vote for you. But the reality is that politicians aren't going to take risks. So everyone could suck it up, wear a mask, and get us to where the rest of the civilized world is, or we can continue to halfass it and so this same dance until you get your vaccine shot next spring.

SirLurksALot said:

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HotardAg07 said:

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SirLurksALot said:

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HotardAg07 said:

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Places like Hong Kong and Japan have nearly universal mask adoption and despite way more population density than us and not having a lockdown they were able to avoid an outbreak.

It's the lowest cost lever we have to pull that makes a difference. Wear the mask.

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Beijing and LA have had mask requirements and widespread adoption yet they are currently experiencing outbreaks. Australia and New Zealand have also done a good job at containment yet don't have mask orders.

It hasn't been proven that masks are the reason Japan and SK have done well. Maybe the fact all 4 countries are islands (SK is practically an island for immigration purposes) and are easily able to control who enters their countries has something to do with their ability to contain the disease.

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The reason I used Japan and Hong Kong as examples is that their population density is so high and it would apparently be a hot bed for spreading infectious diseases. Australia and New Zealand aren't nearly as densely populated and LA doesn't have nearly the same mask adoption rate. It is over 97% in Hong Kong in Japan.

Look, it probably doesn't mean the virus will vanish if everybody started wearing cloth masks, but it might help 10-15%. If that helps us go from a situation with Rt>1 to <1 (with other mitigating factors) it is worth it. If it doesn't help, then what have we lost? Nothing.

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If It's not working in LA then it's not going to work anywhere else in America. Out of all the places in this country LA is going to be one of the areas with the highest amount of compliance.

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A mask mandate will do nothing without enforcement, and that statement is one of the most incorrect statements I've seen on this site. I live in SoCal, and virtually no one is out and about with masks, even with a mandate from the Governor as it is not being enforced. I suspect it will be the same out there in TX, but I guess we'll see.