I'll probably hold off for a bit longer, myself. I had the virus earlier this year and only had minor symptoms. I hear a lot of shouting from both sides of people who are for or against the vaccine right now and to be honest I'm not really trying to pick a side. I know I have some immunity now and I'm comfortable with that, so I'll let the dust settle out and the critics calm down on each side. The vaccine isn't going anywhere and I suppose it can only get better, so I'll probably re-assess towards the end of the year. By that point it should be clear (if it isn't already) if there are any short to medium term effects. My wife and I are particularly interested in seeing if it has any effect on pregnancies. I know it has been administered to women already in their second and third trimesters with little to no effects, but I'm curious about the full life cycle from a couple who are trying to conceive all the way through birth. Is there any part of that process that may be impacted? Just a general question we have and there are probably anecdotal stories already popping up with people's experience. I'm sure there are also studies going on right now that are looking at this.

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Yeah, it's baffling to me that so many pro Trump are the ones not getting vaccinated when this could go down as the biggest accomplishment of his presidency.

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Harnessing the various wheels of government power adroitly to fund and distribute a game-changing medical treatment that in turn saved an untold number of lives kind of clashes with Drain The Swamp, Satanist pedophilia rings, and the crusade against the moral collapse of Western Civilization..

I can see why the vaccine thing was shunted to the side.

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I am a Trumper and got happily vaccinated. But you are right, it makes no sense.

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No one will ever give Trump credit, however warranted it is, for this.

Wife held off until now as we were doing IUIs last few months with no luck. The amount of hormones, injections, and medications were really messing with her.

Our doctor said it was our choice but advised against it simply because introducing a new variable wasn't necessary.

She will be getting it now as we are taking a break to let her recover

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Several of my wife's friends have experienced dramatic shifts disruptions in their cycles and my wife is pregnant. Other male and female friends have been hit hard after taking the vaccine.

We are not getting the vaccine based on our personal observations, freedom in choice, because she is pregnant, and our current position is life, being younger with no underlying issues.

Nothing tough guy about it.

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After lots of discussions with her OB (who recommended getting it), reading on our own, and hearing about potential major issues with pregnant women and Covid (see Brazil) my pregnant wife got vaccinated a few months ago. Our little girl is now here and healthy and should have antibodies herself, and every doc we've talked to thought we made a good decision.

Anecdotally, we have a friend who was vaccinated several months ago and delivered a healthy little boy, as well as another who got vaccinated and just found out she's pregnant.

The narrative you're attempting is ironic given the accusations of fearmongering about Covid that people of your viewpoint have thrown around.

Hope your wife and future little one are doing well.

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The circumstances surrounding its patent and developments and the fact that other viable treatments were suppressed to promote mRNA technology makes the vaccine garbage and highly suspect.

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A vaccine isn't "treatment". It is prevention. Know how I know you don't know what the hell your are talking about?

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Well. I've read Pfizer and Moderna's studies that got them approved. I see no conspiracy in the science. And anecdote - since the vaccines were released - I've seen ZERO vaccinated patients admitted for covid issues. All those admitted now are non vaccinated. Including several under 50 who have died in last 2 weeks. Plus an 18 y/o who was sick as hell but survived. But. What the hell do I know anyway. Exhausting.

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And after you're exhausted at work you read things like the vaccine/science is garbage and all the vaccine resistance which is even more exhausting. Thanks for your continued efforts to help people understand reality.

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Several of my wife's friends have experienced dramatic shifts disruptions in their cycles and my wife is pregnant. Other male and female friends have been hit hard after taking the vaccine.

We are not getting the vaccine based on our personal observations, freedom in choice, because she is pregnant, and our current position is life, being younger with no underlying issues.

Nothing tough guy about it.

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Lol. As a woman, I know not a single person experiencing this. Sounds like a Facebook group.

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Remember when you were telling anyone who would listen that you knew of a young woman infected twice in a matter of months? Yeah.

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What in the world does one have to do with the other? I do know a young woman infected twice, now vaccinated and having zero issues with her "cycle". Yeah. Women are NOT having issues after the vaccines except with stupid men but that really isn't different.

A gentleman down on F16 claimed to have known multiple people who died after getting a vaccine a few weeks back.

Call it for what it is - bull**** and lies for internet points.

I've seen posters here who appear to personally know more people who have died after being vaccinated than they do people who contracted Covid.

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Several of my wife's friends have experienced dramatic shifts disruptions in their cycles and my wife is pregnant. Other male and female friends have been hit hard after taking the vaccine.

We are not getting the vaccine based on our personal observations, freedom in choice, because she is pregnant, and our current position is life, being younger with no underlying issues.

Nothing tough guy about it.

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Lol. As a woman, I know not a single person experiencing this. Sounds like a Facebook group.

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Remember when you were telling anyone who would listen that you knew of a young woman infected twice in a matter of months? Yeah.

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What in the world does one have to do with the other? I do know a young woman infected twice, now vaccinated and having zero issues with her "cycle". Yeah. Women are NOT having issues after the vaccines except with stupid men but that really isn't different.

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Some women have reported menstrual irregularities after the vaccine. This has been widely reported.

Can COVID vaccines impact periods? Experts discuss (today.com)

So maybe calling men stupid isn't a good idea when you clearly were ignorant about this subject.

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The circumstances surrounding its patent and developments and the fact that other viable treatments were suppressed to promote mRNA technology makes the vaccine garbage and highly suspect.

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This is textbook antivaxxer garbage.

Edit: and as the doctor pointed out, people are dying needlessly because they aren't vaccinated.

Pinche Abogado said:

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Several of my wife's friends have experienced dramatic shifts disruptions in their cycles and my wife is pregnant. Other male and female friends have been hit hard after taking the vaccine.

We are not getting the vaccine based on our personal observations, freedom in choice, because she is pregnant, and our current position is life, being younger with no underlying issues.

Nothing tough guy about it.

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That's a lot different that the vaccine is "garbage".

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bay fan said:

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Pinche Abogado said:

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Several of my wife's friends have experienced dramatic shifts disruptions in their cycles and my wife is pregnant. Other male and female friends have been hit hard after taking the vaccine.

We are not getting the vaccine based on our personal observations, freedom in choice, because she is pregnant, and our current position is life, being younger with no underlying issues.

Nothing tough guy about it.

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Lol. As a woman, I know not a single person experiencing this. Sounds like a Facebook group.

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Remember when you were telling anyone who would listen that you knew of a young woman infected twice in a matter of months? Yeah.

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What in the world does one have to do with the other? I do know a young woman infected twice, now vaccinated and having zero issues with her "cycle". Yeah. Women are NOT having issues after the vaccines except with stupid men but that really isn't different.

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Some women have reported menstrual irregularities after the vaccine. This has been widely reported.

Can COVID vaccines impact periods? Experts discuss (today.com)

So maybe calling men stupid isn't a good idea when you clearly were ignorant about this subject.

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Did you bother to read it? It's just the anecdotal stories regarding menstruation, a subject after a life time of experience, I understand in significantly greater detail then you.

From your own article:
"The menstrual cycle is a really flexible and dynamic process and it responds to a lot of different things in life like stress, physical or mental or immune changes," Lee, the post-doctoral scholar in the public health sciences division at the Washington University School of Medicine in St. Louis, told TODAY.
"The menstrual cycle is supposed to respond and adapt."

Now please tell me how this is a scary thing about the vaccine? What ill effects were the result? Do you have any idea how much cycles vary and for how many reasons?

You have about as much idea of what it's like to menstruate as I do to have an erection except I'm not trying to school you on that.

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Did you bother to read it? It's just the anecdotal stories regarding menstruation, a subject after a life time of experience, I understand in significantly greater detail then you.

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What . . .you don't have patience for middle aged dudes man-splaining to you about menstrual cycles?

Wait till he hears about birth control.

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Wait till he hears about birth control.

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Is the vaccine designed to affect menstrual cycles?

Critiquing anecdotal observations with your own anecdotal observations. Good job

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bay fan said:

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Pinche Abogado said:

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Several of my wife's friends have experienced dramatic shifts disruptions in their cycles and my wife is pregnant. Other male and female friends have been hit hard after taking the vaccine.

We are not getting the vaccine based on our personal observations, freedom in choice, because she is pregnant, and our current position is life, being younger with no underlying issues.

Nothing tough guy about it.

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Lol. As a woman, I know not a single person experiencing this. Sounds like a Facebook group.

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Remember when you were telling anyone who would listen that you knew of a young woman infected twice in a matter of months? Yeah.

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What in the world does one have to do with the other? I do know a young woman infected twice, now vaccinated and having zero issues with her "cycle". Yeah. Women are NOT having issues after the vaccines except with stupid men but that really isn't different.

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Some women have reported menstrual irregularities after the vaccine. This has been widely reported.

Can COVID vaccines impact periods? Experts discuss (today.com)

So maybe calling men stupid isn't a good idea when you clearly were ignorant about this subject.

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Did you bother to read it? It's just the anecdotal stories regarding menstruation, a subject after a life time of experience, I understand in significantly greater detail then you.

From your own article:
"The menstrual cycle is a really flexible and dynamic process and it responds to a lot of different things in life like stress, physical or mental or immune changes," Lee, the post-doctoral scholar in the public health sciences division at the Washington University School of Medicine in St. Louis, told TODAY.
"The menstrual cycle is supposed to respond and adapt."

Now please tell me how this is a scary thing about the vaccine? What ill effects were the result? Do you have any idea how much cycles vary and for how many reasons?

You have about as much idea of what it's like to menstruate as I do to have an erection except I'm not trying to school you on that.

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I'm a woman.

Yes, I read it. You claimed that menstrual cycles were certainly not being affected. They are for some women. And it would definitely be scary for a couple wanting to or having difficulty conceiving. You're probably through menopause so not a concern for you. Ever suffered infertility? You don't want ANYTHING to affect your cycle when you're having trouble conceiving. Period.

Enough with hating on men in every post. Maybe counseling for the hurt you've been caused by men. They aren't all bad.

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Did you bother to read it? It's just the anecdotal stories regarding menstruation, a subject after a life time of experience, I understand in significantly greater detail then you.

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What . . .you don't have patience for middle aged dudes man-splaining to you about menstrual cycles?

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You know what they say about assumptions.

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Wait till he hears about birth control.

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More assumptions.

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redcrayon said:

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GAC06 said:

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bay fan said:

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Pinche Abogado said:

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Several of my wife's friends have experienced dramatic shifts disruptions in their cycles and my wife is pregnant. Other male and female friends have been hit hard after taking the vaccine.

We are not getting the vaccine based on our personal observations, freedom in choice, because she is pregnant, and our current position is life, being younger with no underlying issues.

Nothing tough guy about it.

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Lol. As a woman, I know not a single person experiencing this. Sounds like a Facebook group.

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Remember when you were telling anyone who would listen that you knew of a young woman infected twice in a matter of months? Yeah.

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What in the world does one have to do with the other? I do know a young woman infected twice, now vaccinated and having zero issues with her "cycle". Yeah. Women are NOT having issues after the vaccines except with stupid men but that really isn't different.

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Some women have reported menstrual irregularities after the vaccine. This has been widely reported.

Can COVID vaccines impact periods? Experts discuss (today.com)

So maybe calling men stupid isn't a good idea when you clearly were ignorant about this subject.

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Did you bother to read it? It's just the anecdotal stories regarding menstruation, a subject after a life time of experience, I understand in significantly greater detail then you.

From your own article:
"The menstrual cycle is a really flexible and dynamic process and it responds to a lot of different things in life like stress, physical or mental or immune changes," Lee, the post-doctoral scholar in the public health sciences division at the Washington University School of Medicine in St. Louis, told TODAY.
"The menstrual cycle is supposed to respond and adapt."

Now please tell me how this is a scary thing about the vaccine? What ill effects were the result? Do you have any idea how much cycles vary and for how many reasons?

You have about as much idea of what it's like to menstruate as I do to have an erection except I'm not trying to school you on that.

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I'm a woman.

Yes, I read it. You claimed that menstrual cycles were certainly not being affected. They are for some women. And it would definitely be scary for a couple wanting to or having difficulty conceiving. You're probably through menopause so not a concern for you. Ever suffered infertility? You don't want ANYTHING to affect your cycle when you're having trouble conceiving. Period.

Enough with hating on men in every post. Maybe counseling for the hurt you've been caused by men. They aren't all bad.

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Since you are a woman, you should know beyond a doubt how female cycles fluctuate in many regards all the time. It seems more likely to me some women are stressed by the vaccine and either the stress or the power of suggestion are the true cause of anything related.

If someone is suffering from infertility or not, the decision to vaccinate or not should be based upon legitimate facts. The only fact I see here is there is no link to PROBLEMS being caused to menstruation or fertility at this point. We don't need to encourage fear based upon rumor or fluff journalism.

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redcrayon said:

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bay fan said:

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redcrayon said:

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bay fan said:

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GAC06 said:

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bay fan said:

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Pinche Abogado said:

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Several of my wife's friends have experienced dramatic shifts disruptions in their cycles and my wife is pregnant. Other male and female friends have been hit hard after taking the vaccine.

We are not getting the vaccine based on our personal observations, freedom in choice, because she is pregnant, and our current position is life, being younger with no underlying issues.

Nothing tough guy about it.

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Lol. As a woman, I know not a single person experiencing this. Sounds like a Facebook group.

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Remember when you were telling anyone who would listen that you knew of a young woman infected twice in a matter of months? Yeah.

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What in the world does one have to do with the other? I do know a young woman infected twice, now vaccinated and having zero issues with her "cycle". Yeah. Women are NOT having issues after the vaccines except with stupid men but that really isn't different.

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Some women have reported menstrual irregularities after the vaccine. This has been widely reported.

Can COVID vaccines impact periods? Experts discuss (today.com)

So maybe calling men stupid isn't a good idea when you clearly were ignorant about this subject.

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Did you bother to read it? It's just the anecdotal stories regarding menstruation, a subject after a life time of experience, I understand in significantly greater detail then you.

From your own article:
"The menstrual cycle is a really flexible and dynamic process and it responds to a lot of different things in life like stress, physical or mental or immune changes," Lee, the post-doctoral scholar in the public health sciences division at the Washington University School of Medicine in St. Louis, told TODAY.
"The menstrual cycle is supposed to respond and adapt."

Now please tell me how this is a scary thing about the vaccine? What ill effects were the result? Do you have any idea how much cycles vary and for how many reasons?

You have about as much idea of what it's like to menstruate as I do to have an erection except I'm not trying to school you on that.

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I'm a woman.

Yes, I read it. You claimed that menstrual cycles were certainly not being affected. They are for some women. And it would definitely be scary for a couple wanting to or having difficulty conceiving. You're probably through menopause so not a concern for you. Ever suffered infertility? You don't want ANYTHING to affect your cycle when you're having trouble conceiving. Period.

Enough with hating on men in every post. Maybe counseling for the hurt you've been caused by men. They aren't all bad.

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Since you are a woman, you should know beyond a doubt how female cycles fluctuate in many regards all the time. It seems more likely to me some women are stressed by the vaccine and either the stress or the power of suggestion are the true cause of anything related.

If someone is suffering from infertility or not, the decision to vaccinate or not should be based upon legitimate facts. The only fact I see here is there is no link to PROBLEMS being caused to menstruation or fertility at this point. We don't need to encourage fear based upon rumor or fluff journalism.

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Science!

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redcrayon said:

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bay fan said:

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redcrayon said:

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bay fan said:

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GAC06 said:

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bay fan said:

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Pinche Abogado said:

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Several of my wife's friends have experienced dramatic shifts disruptions in their cycles and my wife is pregnant. Other male and female friends have been hit hard after taking the vaccine.

We are not getting the vaccine based on our personal observations, freedom in choice, because she is pregnant, and our current position is life, being younger with no underlying issues.

Nothing tough guy about it.

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Lol. As a woman, I know not a single person experiencing this. Sounds like a Facebook group.

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Remember when you were telling anyone who would listen that you knew of a young woman infected twice in a matter of months? Yeah.

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What in the world does one have to do with the other? I do know a young woman infected twice, now vaccinated and having zero issues with her "cycle". Yeah. Women are NOT having issues after the vaccines except with stupid men but that really isn't different.

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Some women have reported menstrual irregularities after the vaccine. This has been widely reported.

Can COVID vaccines impact periods? Experts discuss (today.com)

So maybe calling men stupid isn't a good idea when you clearly were ignorant about this subject.

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Did you bother to read it? It's just the anecdotal stories regarding menstruation, a subject after a life time of experience, I understand in significantly greater detail then you.

From your own article:
"The menstrual cycle is a really flexible and dynamic process and it responds to a lot of different things in life like stress, physical or mental or immune changes," Lee, the post-doctoral scholar in the public health sciences division at the Washington University School of Medicine in St. Louis, told TODAY.
"The menstrual cycle is supposed to respond and adapt."

Now please tell me how this is a scary thing about the vaccine? What ill effects were the result? Do you have any idea how much cycles vary and for how many reasons?

You have about as much idea of what it's like to menstruate as I do to have an erection except I'm not trying to school you on that.

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I'm a woman.

Yes, I read it. You claimed that menstrual cycles were certainly not being affected. They are for some women. And it would definitely be scary for a couple wanting to or having difficulty conceiving. You're probably through menopause so not a concern for you. Ever suffered infertility? You don't want ANYTHING to affect your cycle when you're having trouble conceiving. Period.

Enough with hating on men in every post. Maybe counseling for the hurt you've been caused by men. They aren't all bad.

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Since you are a woman, you should know beyond a doubt how female cycles fluctuate in many regards all the time. It seems more likely to me some women are stressed by the vaccine and either the stress or the power of suggestion are the true cause of anything related.

If someone is suffering from infertility or not, the decision to vaccinate or not should be based upon legitimate facts. The only fact I see here is there is no link to PROBLEMS being caused to menstruation or fertility at this point. We don't need to encourage fear based upon rumor or fluff journalism.

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No apology or ounce of humility after being completely wrong about redcrayon's gender?

It doesn't matter her sex, my point stands regardless who says it. The article she posted as proof menstruation was effected by the vaccine did not at all do so and I don't think anyone benefits from conjecture as it relates to the vaccine.

I am certainly sorry for assuming she is a man and I am sorry for any man who is offended I am apologizing for that assumption.

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Not me or my family or my extended family. The vaccine is garbage.

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I certainly support your right to decline the vaccine. But am curious why you further state that the vaccine is "garbage"? At this point, hundreds of millions of people have been vaccinated, all three of the U.S. vaccines been proven to be highly effective. Why label them as garbage?

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It doesn't fit his forum 16 narrative to get the vaccine. He's an anti-Vaxxer tough guy. Not much reason to try and reason with those folks.

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That's not true.

Posters like that are common on F16 but I bet the vaccination rate on those posters compared to this forum and the general public are pretty close.

And Anti-vax is not the same as choosing not to get this particular vaccine right now.

They just yell a lot on forum 16.

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Pinche Abogado said:

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Not me or my family or my extended family. The vaccine is garbage.

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I certainly support your right to decline the vaccine. But am curious why you further state that the vaccine is "garbage"? At this point, hundreds of millions of people have been vaccinated, all three of the U.S. vaccines been proven to be highly effective. Why label them as garbage?

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It doesn't fit his forum 16 narrative to get the vaccine. He's an anti-Vaxxer tough guy. Not much reason to try and reason with those folks.

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That's not true.

Posters like that are common on F16 but I bet the vaccination rate on those posters compared to this forum and the general public are pretty close.

And Anti-vax is not the same as choosing not to get this particular vaccine right now.

They just yell a lot on forum 16.

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The folks over there are pretty bass-ackwards on this issue. The general consensus over there is that covid is no worse than the flu (even after a year of this) and that the deaths are fabricated. And that the vaccine itself is dangerous and should not be taken. I know plenty of people who share these views and it's troubling how many of them are out there.

At this point their views directly contradict overwhelming evidence on both the virus and the vaccine and it's 100% politically motivated. Their opinions should not be given any weight.

Great take, Larry. The official narrative, however, is beginning to show signs of strain:

https://www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-report-concluded-covid-19-may-have-leaked-from-wuhan-lab-11623106982

Stop

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agsalaska said:

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txaggie79 said:

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Pinche Abogado said:

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Not me or my family or my extended family. The vaccine is garbage.

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I certainly support your right to decline the vaccine. But am curious why you further state that the vaccine is "garbage"? At this point, hundreds of millions of people have been vaccinated, all three of the U.S. vaccines been proven to be highly effective. Why label them as garbage?

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It doesn't fit his forum 16 narrative to get the vaccine. He's an anti-Vaxxer tough guy. Not much reason to try and reason with those folks.

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That's not true.

Posters like that are common on F16 but I bet the vaccination rate on those posters compared to this forum and the general public are pretty close.

And Anti-vax is not the same as choosing not to get this particular vaccine right now.

They just yell a lot on forum 16.

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The folks over there are pretty bass-ackwards on this issue. The general consensus over there is that covid is no worse than the flu (even after a year of this) and that the deaths are fabricated. And that the vaccine itself is dangerous and should not be taken. I know plenty of people who share these views and it's troubling how many of them are out there.

At this point their views directly contradict overwhelming evidence on both the virus and the vaccine and it's 100% politically motivated. Their opinions should not be given any weight.

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Well this is a bit awkward

[url] https://www.google.com/amp/s/oaklandside.org/2021/06/04/alameda-countys-new-covid-death-toll-is-25-lower-than-thought/[/url]

Early in 2020 there was a story out of NYC where they classified 3,300 deaths as Covid deaths without a single test administered to the group.

There is zero doubt that Covid deaths have been fabricated